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Originally posted by AURaptor:

heh heh... you said " stiff "

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
If the Chinese are able to lend you a trillion dollars, they clearly won't miss it if it is late.

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Documents have newly surfaced detailing the extent of U.S. Representative Joe Walsh's (R-Ill.) alleged lapse on his child support payments to his ex-wife Laura Walsh.

According to a court filing, made public Friday afternoon by The National Memo, Tea Party darling Walsh paid only limited child support between November of 2005 and March of 2008, and stopped paying altogether after that point.

Unpaid obligations and interest combine to $115,294, the filing claims.

The document also purports to debunk Walsh's claim, in not paying child support, that he simply didn't have the money:

Over the course of the 2010 campaign, Joe personally loaned his campaign $35,500, which, given that he failed to make any child support payments to Laura because he "had no money" is surprising.

Joe has paid himself back at least $14,200 for the loans he gave himself. Again, he failed to make any child support payments to Laura from these returned loan proceeds.

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

heh heh... you said " stiff "

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I ask a polite, serious question, and you, the polite serious 'Raptor reply with that? That's the best you got, Beavis? or are you ButtHead? Never mind, I already got an opinion on your answer...

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
If the Chinese are able to lend you a trillion dollars, they clearly won't miss it if it is late.

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Probably not, but that's not really the principle they're operating on, I don't think. I view China as being more like the neighborhood loan shark. Sure, they can afford to take a loss and walk away, but I have a feeling they'd rather stick around and break a few things just to "teach us a lesson"...

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I gotta disagree, Mike. This is a typical dead-beatdad; I'll bet you can find more than one in BOTH parties. And everywhere else in our society. It's certainly hypocritical at the very least, given they scream about "fiscal responsibility", but it's only oe person.

One can be an ass, a Tea Party Darling AND a dead-beat dad all at the same time, that doesn't mean it reflects all of anything. He's certainly a bastard, but that and "politician" might be synonyms, so it doesn't expand to anything beyond "bastard dead-beat dad".


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Originally posted by Niki2:

I think we ought to start a list of "RaptorRules" or something.

1. You can always tell what an entire political movement stands for by the worst actions of any one of its members.

2.?

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How 'bout we just start not replying to any post he makes?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Magons, what CAN'T they do, at this point?

When someone is holding literally TRILLIONS of dollars of your bad debt, and they know you're broke, but they also know you have some really nice stuff still, you kind of put yourself in a bad situation, y'know?

What if China chose August 3rd to call in their debt? What if they said, "Pay up!"? Could we? Would China then be in a position to say, "Well, since you can't pay what you owe us, we'll just be repossessing Taiwan now, m'kay?"

And what are we in a position to do about it?

China is in a strong economic position at the moment. Because of the borrow-and-spend policies of the GOP from 2000 thru 2008, we have been left in a weakened negotiation position. Any negotiator knows that you get what you can when you can, and negotiating from a weak position is an automatic losing proposition.

So that's worst case; more likely, it will be trade concessions, treaty issues, opening up the U.S. to Chinese factories and firms, and the like.


If you ever said "Support the Troops!", you are a socialist. You've taken money from me, by force and at gunpoint, and you've given it to people who are on a mission I don't support, and are murdering others in my name, and I am given no choice in the matter.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Because rappy can put words into grammatically correct sentences it's natural to think his problem is "ignorance". Yanno, lack of information. But I learned a powerful lesson about delusion from rappy ... he suffers from a willful failure to engage logic and facts, pretty much like flat-earthers but a LOT more mean-spirited.

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... the psychiatrist and philosopher Karl Jaspers was the first to define the three main criteria for a belief to be considered delusional in his 1917 book General Psychopathology. These criteria are:

* certainty (held with absolute conviction)
* incorrigibility (not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary)
* impossibility or falsity of content (implausible, bizarre or patently untrue)

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Because rappy can put words into grammatically correct sentences it's natural to think his problem is "ignorance". Yanno, lack of information. But I learned a powerful lesson about delusion from rappy ... he suffers from a willful failure to engage logic and facts, pretty much like flat-earthers but a LOT more mean-spirited.

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Thanx, Sig. I just had an epiphany- I never looked at it that way, but you're exactly right, that was exactly how and why I was looking at him. Hate to give up on somebody who presents the appearance of being capable and rational, but that's just it-- it's an appearance and he realy ain't.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Besides, the jackasses in power might not be the brightest bulbs ever lit, but they're not that dumb.

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Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Pentagon officials were working hard to plan for a potential default but cautioned that the circumstances were extraordinary.

"So I honestly can't answer that question," he told troops at Kandahar air base in southern Afghanistan, as several expressed anxiety over budget wrangling in Washington.

Potentially suspending pay to U.S. forces waging wars in Afghanistan and Iraq is an extremely sensitive subject in the United States and Mullen acknowledged that many troops lived paycheck to paycheck.

"So if paychecks were to stop, it would have a devastating impact," Mullen said, answering questions from troops.

"I'd like to give you a better answer than that right now, I just honestly don't know," he said.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
NewOB: BTW- I don't mean "delusion" in the general sense, I mean "delusion" as in the original psychiatric definition

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... the psychiatrist and philosopher Karl Jaspers was the first to define the three main criteria for a belief to be considered delusional in his 1917 book General Psychopathology. These criteria are:

* certainty (held with absolute conviction)
* incorrigibility (not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary)
* impossibility or falsity of content (implausible, bizarre or patently untrue)

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Rappy pretty much fits the bill. And as a psychiatric phenomenon he deserves my sympathy. But certainly not my conversation.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The problem w/ your definitions is that , yes, while I do admit to being strong in my convictions, it's not out of ME being incorrigible or unwavering. You're just not offering any valid counter to my points of view.

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