Surrender? You think this letter on my head stands for France? by Wulfenstar

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Surrender? You think this letter on my head stands for France?

POSTED BY: WULFENSTAR
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:35
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Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:03 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Hearing a lot from the media about the "fall of the American empire".

Or, how OWS is such an intelligent movement.

No.

People, free people, will always fight for the right to BE free. To be stupid, to be strong, to be smart, to beat the dark.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:35 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Hearing a lot from the media about the "fall of the American empire".

Or, how OWS is such an intelligent movement.

No.

People, free people, will always fight for the right to BE free. To be stupid, to be strong, to be smart, to beat the dark.

So well said - btw you need to take the backward slash "/" off the link for it to show.

More importantly... never stop fighting Wulf.

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Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:28 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Do I think the "A" stands for France? Well, Wulfie, given your spelling, I wouldn't be surprised...

So do you think the American empire *isn't* falling? Or that it shouldn't? France, Germany, Japan, Portugal, Spain, and even England are arguably better countries now that their empires have fallen.

And those people saying "No, YOU move" that you admire so much? Yeah, those would be the Occupiers who refuse to leave.

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:22 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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I thought the "A" stood for Apolitical... sorry to see that even Cap has become a pundit... I like my super heroes to be above the fray. Maybe Wulf can get him to join the forum?

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:05 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Captain America rebelled against the government, and stuck by his guns even when labeled a terrorist, a criminal, and a misguided fool.

Your support for the Occupy movement is touching, Wulf.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Oh, wow, that's kind of exciting! Wulf UNDERSTANDS! He's WITH US! Never thought I'd see it happen; what made you see the light?

The graphic is absolutely right on: "This nation was founded on one principle above all else; the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole WORLD tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree by the river of truth." Fantastic, that's a quotable one. And PRECISELY what we're doing. Thank you Wulf, I really appreciate it. May make a sign of that one, tho' I've learned that big letters and short statements work best.

Right along the line of putting our boddies in the cogs of the wheel of the machine, as a famous free-speech activist said. They even named a plaza after him and put in a plaque to commemorate his fight to gain free speech. Anyone know who? (DOESN'T COUNT if you only learned it last night on TV!) I'm so proud of Cal, and Oakland, and OWS itself; we're growing, not shrinking, and we take our job of planting ourselves like trees seriously. I'm probably going to end up going over eventually, it's getting harder and harder NOT to. Trust me, Wulf, we're not about to surrender!

But right now I'm working on a huge sign with the hand signals for the next G.A., which I got them to agree was more sensible and environmentally friendly than handing out individual sheets every time. AND I've got to type out the minutes of the last G.A., AND start working on the Welcome Table, AND finish the little "signs" the dogs are going to wear ("Make the big dogs pay!" and "If corporations are people, so am I". Our next G.A. is Saturday, so I've got a lot of work to do. Then handouts I made were finally copied, and we gave them out at College of Marin yesterday (which was in support of Cal's strike); I was surprised, a LOT of students took them, a couple actually THANKED ME, and we engaged far more of them than I expected. We need the young people, like at Oakland and Berserkeley and S.F. My flyers were copied too, so I have to start putting them up around the county.

So who else has actually gotten ACTIVE to stand up for what they believe in? Wulf, you got a nearby OWS you can join, or want to start one in your own city? I'd be glad to help!

That's kewl, started my morning off great; gotta go walk the dogs 'cuz I have a meeting at noon, or I'd stay to read more posts. But this one was a great start, thanx again Wulf!

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:02 AM

KWICKO

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Right along the line of putting our boddies in the cogs of the wheel of the machine, as a famous free-speech activist said. They even named a plaza after him and put in a plaque to commemorate his fight to gain free speech. Anyone know who? (DOESN'T COUNT if you only learned it last night on TV!) I'm so proud of Cal, and Oakland, and OWS itself; we're growing, not shrinking, and we take our job of planting ourselves like trees seriously. I'm probably going to end up going over eventually, it's getting harder and harder NOT to. Trust me, Wulf, we're not about to surrender!

Mario Savio. I'd seen bits of the speech before, but never really knew who he was until last night. It might not count, but I'm glad to have learned more about him!

Savio really did put Cap'n A's words into action. He's the one who stood there, put himself in the way, and said, loudly and clearly, "No, YOU move." And in so doing, he started a revolution that ended a war. He did so without violence, but by merely standing his ground and speaking his piece.

I'm so glad Wulf recognizes his heroism as well!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:36 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Actually Niki (and everyone else...),

The quote could stand for any American.

Its an often overlooked national "psychosis", but Americans are usually the ones who finally, and irrevocably say, "This far, no further."

If one could sum up much of our collective personality traits in a single word... it would probably be,

stubborn.

We don't quit. This applies only to those things we fully believe in of course.

Im not going to get into the right, or wrong, of OWS. But, if they have the grit to stick it out, that counts for something.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Wellll, I'll give you a partial applause (what's the sound of one hand clapping) for that, Mike. Yeah, Savio is someone WE never forget here in the Bay Area, and especially at Berserkeley. The battle he fought has to be fought over and over again every few years, it would seem. He was speaking about a different free-speech issue ('Nam protests), but what he said resonates perfectly with OWS:

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“There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—-makes you so sick at heart—-that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all.”

That's pretty much what we're about.

The big ones aren't marching (for the most part); they're not even demonstrating. They're "occupying", a new concept. Just being there, in the way. And yes, it's costing and it's messy, but Democracy IS expensive and messy. If/when we get enough people willing to do it here in Marin, we will. They already have several locations picked out. In the old days, I'd be over at Cal--or more likely SF. Not Oakland; I wouldn't be caught dead in downtown Oakland, but I've marched in both the other cities in the past, and would really like to go. Problem is all my beasties. There's nobody to care for them for more than a couple of days; Choey would volunteer, but I can't in fairness ask her to feed them all and exercise the pups for long. I thought of taking the huskies with me, they'd be good protection (tho' nobody knows they're big wooses), but if I got arrested, they'd be taken away and I'd have to get them back, etc., etc. I also can hardly afford to get arrested, and Jim or Choey would have to bail me out, and so forth. But the longer it keeps up, the harder it is to stay away.

Some of the pertinent things Savio said back then:

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“The “futures” and “careers” for which American students now prepare are for the most part intellectual and moral wastelands. This chrome-plated consumers’ paradise would have us grow up to be well-behaved children. But an important minority of men and women coming to the front today have shown they will die rather than be standardized, replaceable, and irrelevant.

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You can’t disobey the rules every time you disapprove. However, when you’re considering something that constitutes an extreme abridgement of your rights, conscience is the court of last resort.

Both of those, and his most famous speech, speak directly to what is happening today.

How incredibly ironic it is that, after finally recognizng his importance, they put a plaque to him in the Sproul Hall Plaza floor, on his death created the Memorial Lecture Fund with annual lectures, and set up the Mario Savio Young Activist Award to honor an outstanding activist under 30 with a deep commitment to human rights and social justice and the qualities of leadership ability, creativity, and integrity. And now? They are billy-clubbing protestors on that very same spot. They never seem to get it.

Okay, back to work...

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:38 AM

BYTEMITE

It's heartwarming when the browncoats come together on something.

As for me, I have to bide my time. I'm not one for the grand gesture, I'm more for the back alley work. I try to look for opportune moments to make a difference, and in the meantime try to come up with flexible plans and goals I can work towards.

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:35 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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It's heartwarming when the browncoats come together on something.

As for me, I have to bide my time. I'm not one for the grand gesture, I'm more for the back alley work.

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