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ACLU: Military lockup of civilians on "battlefield," including US citizens in USA

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:19 AM

CANTTAKESKY


http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lo
ck-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being


So... they're drunk with the power of Guantanamo and laments that they are limited to Muslims from far away countries?

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:53 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Not quite going around rounding up any and everyone, though.

Quote:

Dividing the Democrats and drawing criticism from the administration is a provision that would require military custody of a suspect determined to be a member of al-Qaida or its affiliates and involved in the planning or an attack on the United States. The administration argues that such a step would hamper efforts by the FBI or other law enforcement to elicit intelligence from terror suspects.

Attorney General Eric Holder said last week that the United States must have the flexibility to prosecute terror suspects in criminal courts. White House counterterror chief John Brennan has argued for a case-by-case approach in prosecuting terrorist suspects. The Pentagon’s general counsel, Jeh Johnson, also has said there is a “danger in over-militarizing our approach to al-Qaida and its affiliates.”

Levin said the administration agrees with military custody for terror suspects captured outside the United States. “What they won’t agree to is people are captured in the United States be so treated and go through the military custody even with a (national security) waiver.”




http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/senate-panel-pushes-ah
ead-with-defense-bill-over-white-house-objections-on-terror-suspect-plan/2011/11/15/gIQAEUoYPN_story.html


So, yeah, under the legislation as it stands, the military COULD lock up a civilian in the U.S. - IF he were shown to be a terrorist planning an attack. If this provision is overturned, then the FBI or local law enforcement gets to lock him up.


Also note that there is already pretty much bipartisan opposition to this requirement in Congress and the White House. I'm thinking that the ACLU's overblown rhetoric about this is pretty much a fundraiser for folks who'll send them a check without reviewing the facts.


"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

So, yeah, under the legislation as it stands, the military COULD lock up a civilian in the U.S. - IF he were shown to be a terrorist planning an attack.




Wasn't that how Gitmo was supposed to work? Only thing is, you end up with a bunch of people who have no charges filed against them, and you're not even allowed to ask why, because that's classified because of "national security".

So how exactly are you supposed to prove that they're terrorists planning an attack? And WHO are you supposed to prove that to?




"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:39 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by Geezer:
So, yeah, under the legislation as it stands, the military COULD lock up a civilian in the U.S. - IF he were shown to be a terrorist planning an attack.



You mean, the military COULD lock up a civilian in the U.S. - IF he were ACCUSED of being a terrorist planning an attack.

Note that most of the military detainees at Gitmo are only ACCUSED. They haven't had to SHOW any evidence at all, have they?

That is the problem with this proposal in its entirety--it militarizes the crime of "terrorism" and bypasses the civil rights and due process protected by our Constitution.

I don't see how the ACLU rhetoric is overblown at all. We cannot continue to fight terrorism in this direction, by militarization of our courts and legal procedures just because you throw the word "terrorism" in there somewhere.



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Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:I'm thinking that the ACLU's overblown rhetoric about this is pretty much a fundraiser for folks who'll send them a check without reviewing the facts.




If only they had Frank Luntz to tell them to call such measures "death panels" or some such. Imagine the fundraising they'd be able to do then!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, November 24, 2012 3:09 PM

OONJERAH


And now, a year later ...

Searched Google for "Congress Law S1867 torture", got 221,000 hits.

Here's One: A year ago on The Real Agenda by Luis R. Miranda wrote:

S.1867: The Power to Detain, Imprison, Torture and Kill American Citizens Anywhere
http://real-agenda.com/2011/11/30/s-1867-the-power-to-detain-imprison-
torture-and-kill
/

"The detention and further police actions imposed on the suspects
would waive the due process
, one of the most important pillars of
any democratic nation;"

Oonj: We no longer have rights.


======================

A man's gotta know his limitations. ~Dirty Harry

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