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Will Santorum's positions gain the intra-party upper hand should Romney lose to Obama?

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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Political parties that hold their noses and go for the guy who seems most presentable tend to swing hard in the other direction when the stiff doesn't deliver.

So the question about Rick Santorum shouldn't necessarily be "Can he win this year?" but "What strain of Republicanism does he represent; will it gain the intra-party upper hand should Romney lose to Obama, and what does that tell us about the modern GOP?"

From my perspective as a small-"l" libertarian and political independent, the answers to these question are grim.

Rick Santorum represents the type of Republican who considers it a pressing national issue in 2012 to persuade Americans that our godless and secular Constitution is actually imbued with a "moral code" and sense of responsibility emanating from God. "Our country never was a libertarian idea of radical individualism," he says, often. "We have certain values and principles that are embodied in our country. We have God-given rights."

Santorum is your go-to Republican if you think the U.S. should bomb Iranian nuclear sites and instigate regime change in Tehran; if you think we didn't intervene in Libya soon enough and need to get working on Syria; if you think jihad is coming from South America and that the problem with the 50-year-old embargo on Cuba is that it just isn't strong enough.

Santorum is your man if you think social conservatives need to play more offense instead of just defense in the culture wars, proactively using the federal government to buck up traditional families and re-moralize a country that has strayed from the path.

In short, Santorum is George W. Bush without the taste for immigration reform and the pre-9/11 preference for a "humble" foreign policy. More compassionate conservatism at home, more neo-conservatism abroad.

If Romney is the tabula rasa Republican, representing nothing and everything in a bid to get elected by any means necessary, Santorum after Tuesday has cemented his place as the GOP's ideas-and-values man. It's his vision--as opposed to the principled limited-government stance of a Ron Paul--that will have pole position if and when Romney loses to Obama.

At a time when the country is heading over a fiscal cliff, it is nothing short of astonishing that the GOP cannot manage to rally around a candidate actually talking about, let alone forthrightly addressing, the signature challenge of our time. A party that takes Rick Santorum seriously is not a party serious enough to govern. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/14/opinion/welch-santorum-second-place/inde
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Kinda expresses my fears. The right has gone SO far right, it's hard to imagine them going further in the future. But it's happened before, and given their current strength in state politics, it's scary.

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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:27 AM

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A party that takes Rick Santorum seriously is not a party serious enough to govern.


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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:18 AM

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just saw this very piece over on CNN.com.

The Republican party does have a history of this: This year's second-place guy ("loser") does tend to get to step up and have the leader's shot at it next time- it was true of Reagan and John McCain, it's true of Romney.

Not ALWAYS, of course, but pretty often. Get ready for it.

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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:32 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, Newold, that's where the article came from. I left out the bit about the loser becoming the candidate the next time 'cuz I just couldn't believe it. I can't conceive of them being able to go FURTHER right than they currently are, but it has been true in the past, and nothing about the curent actions of the GOP makes any sense to me, so who knows?

Wouldn't they just be destroying their chances of being a viable party for a long time to come?? Surely the American public wouldn't buy into even MORE swing to the right (Oh, PLEASE!)? It seems insane, but then so does politics in general the past few years!

Mostly, Santorum just makes me wince. His stance on "social issues" is SO rabid, that while I can't conceive of him being nominated...much less ELECTED...the concept makes me shiver.



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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:57 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


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Mostly, Santorum just makes me wince. His stance on "social issues" is SO rabid, that while I can't conceive of him being nominated...much less ELECTED...the concept makes me shiver.




As a Democrat, I'm planning to vote for him in California's open primary in June, if there's still a race-- I think he's the easiest guy for Obama to beat.

I figure that's justice-- the open primary was a Republican idea, passed during the Governator years, as a way to mess with the Dems-- so I figure to show 'em that payback is a -- ( one of those words Rush would say).

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Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm too chicken. Given Bush was elected a second time, which I didn't think possible, the idea of Santorum actually becoming President is, well, slightly scarier than the possibility of Palin being Vice President! So I'll stay home and just hope for the best...



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