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Texas judge warns of civil war if Obama is re-elected

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:00 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


saw this over on CNN.com.

This guy is some kind of Lubbock, Texas disaster preparedness co-ordinator. He says he's thinking of the worst possibilities and preparing for disaster, but it also sounds like he approves. He's some kind of conspiracy theorist also, talking about Obama giving up American sovereignity to the U. N.

Sounds to me like he's edging right up to the edge of the cliff on treason, advocating and aiding those who would attempt the violent overthrow of the legitimately elected government of the United States of America; without QUITE stepping over the edge himself directly.

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:30 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Link would be nice.

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Here we go again...didn't we hear about this threat if the Tea Partiers didn't get their way last midterm elections? I wonder why "secession" and "revolution" are the first things that come to mind with these people...I don't have to WONDER why these types are so vehement in their hatred of Obama that they'd consider a war. Sick bastards.


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Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, there it is. Well, after all, it IS Texas...and it IS Lubbock (no apologies to Mike; everyone I've ever talked to agrees where you are is an enclave of sanity).
Quote:

An elected county judge in Texas is warning that the nation could descend into civil war if President Barack Obama is re-elected, and is calling for a trained, well-equipped force to battle the United Nations troops he says Obama would bring in.

The comments by Lubbock County Judge Tom Head, who oversees emergency planning efforts, were broadcast by CNN affiliate KJTV. He made similar remarks on radio station FOX Talk 950.

Saying that as the county's emergency management coordinator he has to "think about the very worst thing that can happen and prepare for that and hope and pray for the best," Head told radio host Jeff Klotzman that he believes "in this political climate and financial climate, what is the very worst thing that could happen right now? Obama gets back in the White House. No. God forbid."

Referring to unexplained "executive orders" and other documents that Obama and "his minions have filed," Head said, "regardless of whether the Republicans take over the Senate, which I hope they do, he is going to make the United States Congress and he's going to make the Constitution irrelevant. He's got his czars in place that don't answer to anybody."

Obama, Head said, will "try to give the sovereignty of the United States away to the United Nations. What do you think the public's going to do when that happens? We are talking civil unrest, civil disobedience, possibly, possibly civil war ... I'm not talking just talking riots here and there. I'm talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms, get rid of the dictator. OK, what do you think he is going to do when that happens? He is going to call in the U.N. troops, personnel carriers, tanks and whatever."

Head vowed to personally stand "in front of their personnel carriers and say, 'You're not coming in here.' And I've asked the sheriff. I said, 'Are you going to back me on this?' And he said, 'Yeah, I'm going to back you.' Well, I don't want a bunch of rookies back there who have no training and little equipment. I want seasoned veteran people who are trained that have got equipment. And even then, you know we may have two or three hundred deputies facing maybe a thousand U.N. troops. We may have to call out the militia."

Sheriff Kelly Rowe told KJTV there had been no conversation about such a civil war scenario. The two have discussed contingencies for emergency management, he said.

County Commissioner Gilbert Flores told KJTV he was "ashamed" of Head's remarks, and told the judge, "I think you better plan to go fishing pretty soon."

Attorney Rod Hobson jokingly put up U.N. flags outside his Lubbock office, KJTV reported. "When I saw the story I thought, once again, Lubbock is going to be the laughingstock of the entire nation," said Hobson. "What makes it so sad is he is our elected county judge, who is in charge of a multi-million dollar budget. That is scary. It's like the light's on, but no one is home... I'd just like to think he's off his meds."

But video from the Wednesday meeting showed at least one citizen supporting him. "Judge Head, thank you, and God bless," one citizen said.

Head did not immediately respond to an e-mail or phone call to his office Thursday morning.

KJTV reported that an aide to Head said the judge will not be commenting for one or two days.

At least there's ONE sane Texan: "Lubbock is going to be the laughingstock of the entire nation"--he should have added "again".


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Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:08 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Oh, a civil war....sure, why not. How will it be fought? I only have a 5-shot .38 special. Should I reserve a room at the Fort Sumter Holiday Inn now, or wait a while?

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:40 AM

CANTTAKESKY


A lot of Americans feel that a civil war may be on the horizon.

They just don't all think it will be precipitated by Obama's re-election. Or a takeover by the UN.

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:49 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Link would be nice.


It's REAL HARD to find , Geez.
try :

www.CNN.com.

It's RIGHT THERE, on their home page, Top left. There's a picture of the guy and everything.


If you really need a link, try this:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/texas-judge-warning/index.html?hpt=hp
_t1



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Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:57 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
A lot of Americans feel that a civil war may be on the horizon.

They just don't all think it will be precipitated by Obama's re-election. Or a takeover by the UN.




Actually, that's what I'm afraid of. The rhetorical posturing, mostly by those opposed to Obama, has long passed the point where the 2 parties can discuss their differences, and reach any sort of compromise. Once you reach that stage, open warfare is the only avenue left. And they'll continue to blame Obama, right up to the point where they don't get their own way, and start killing people.

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Here we go again...didn't we hear about this threat if the Tea Partiers didn't get their way last midterm elections?



And the GOP dominated in those mid-term elections, as I recall.

And not a single cop car got pooped on, either. Imagine that!


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:18 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Link would be nice.


It's REAL HARD to find , Geez.
try :

www.CNN.com.

It's RIGHT THERE, on their home page, Top left. There's a picture of the guy and everything.


If you really need a link, try this:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/texas-judge-warning/index.html?hpt=hp
_t1





Thank you.

Although the picture on the top left of www.CNN.com right now (8:15pm EDST) is of LL Cool J. I kind'a doubt he's the Texas judge.


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Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:01 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So far, not one person here has mentioned WHY the judge was on TV in the first place. He was on TV touting a tax increase for the county. Yes, he's so worried about Obama raising taxes, he wants a tax increase in order to prepare to fight a civil war in protest of tax increases.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2012/08/23/judge-wants-ta
x-increase-to-defend-against-civil-war
/


There's a reason Texans say "Happiness is seeing Lubbock in your rearview mirror!"



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:43 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Actually, that's what I'm afraid of. The rhetorical posturing, mostly by those opposed to Obama, has long passed the point where the 2 parties can discuss their differences, and reach any sort of compromise. Once you reach that stage, open warfare is the only avenue left. And they'll continue to blame Obama, right up to the point where they don't get their own way, and start killing people.


Ayup, which is gonna be funny cause the gutless shitheels don't have the stomach for potential victims which can fight back, but of course at that point it is gonna be too goddamn late, cause remember, there's a LOT of folk like me out there just waiting, hoping, all but praying that those stupid dumfuck knuckle dragging mouth breathers GIVE US AN EXCUSE.
Please, please, please oh for the love of all the heavens I beg you, PLEASE give us an excuse.

But I doubt it, not only are they cowards who only like targets who can't fight back, they're also texan which doubles down on the craven since for all their big talk, texas has always been the first to knuckle under and their primary battle tactic is to run the hell away pissing yellow with every step - of course, back em into a corner and you'll get bit like Santa Anna, but so long as there's room to run that's what they'll do, run their mouths, run away, and whine like little children when they do not get their way - but actually fight a stand up fight ?
TEXANS ?
Bwahahahahaha hahahahah ahahaha... no.

-Frem

PS. Sorry Mikey - that phoney ass rhetoric of their state in comparision with their backstabbing and cowardly history just galls me, and having lived amongst those scumbag hypocrites for a while, I will call them out on it.

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Friday, August 24, 2012 1:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Actually, that's what I'm afraid of. The rhetorical posturing, mostly by those opposed to Obama, has long passed the point where the 2 parties can discuss their differences, and reach any sort of compromise. Once you reach that stage, open warfare is the only avenue left. And they'll continue to blame Obama, right up to the point where they don't get their own way, and start killing people.


Ayup, which is gonna be funny cause the gutless shitheels don't have the stomach for potential victims which can fight back, but of course at that point it is gonna be too goddamn late, cause remember, there's a LOT of folk like me out there just waiting, hoping, all but praying that those stupid dumfuck knuckle dragging mouth breathers GIVE US AN EXCUSE.
Please, please, please oh for the love of all the heavens I beg you, PLEASE give us an excuse.

But I doubt it, not only are they cowards who only like targets who can't fight back, they're also texan which doubles down on the craven since for all their big talk, texas has always been the first to knuckle under and their primary battle tactic is to run the hell away pissing yellow with every step - of course, back em into a corner and you'll get bit like Santa Anna, but so long as there's room to run that's what they'll do, run their mouths, run away, and whine like little children when they do not get their way - but actually fight a stand up fight ?
TEXANS ?
Bwahahahahaha hahahahah ahahaha... no.

-Frem

PS. Sorry Mikey - that phoney ass rhetoric of their state in comparision with their backstabbing and cowardly history just galls me, and having lived amongst those scumbag hypocrites for a while, I will call them out on it.




No apologies needed on my account, Frem. I consider myself basically a resistance fighter behind enemy lines down here.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, August 24, 2012 5:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, Frem & Mike. You forgot, Mike, that the tax increase he was talking about:
Quote:

A proposed tax hike to expand the Sheriff’s Office and raise prosecutors’ pay was debated during a Wednesday morning public hearing.

The revenue from the tax increase, said County Judge Tom Head, would pay for three more patrol cars and deputies with the county Sheriff’s Office, two criminal investigation detectives, one more narcotics officer and reinforce the Criminal District Attorney’s Office.

Head told The Avalanche-Journal the revenue from the tax increase would relieve response times by sheriff’s deputies, reduce fatigue, strengthen their law enforcement abilities and help the CDA’s office retain its attorneys.

Criminal District Attorney Matt Powell has asked for a 10 percent across-the-board pay increase for all employees in his department. http://lubbockonline.com/local-news/2012-08-22/lubbock-county-resident
s-argue-both-sides-tax-increase

THAT's the reality; this guy is in lala land.

And yes, I have little doubt there won't be a civil war. If they try anything, it will only be a small number of people, the rest of America will be against them, and their efforts would be stopped immediately. This is more of the "target" and "secession" and "Founding Fathers say get your guns" bullshit we heard last time.

By the way, the 2010 midterms were a result of people being fearful of how the country was going and foolishly buying into the Republicans' and Tea Partiers' promises to make things better. Given they did nothing but pass stupid laws about healthcare which they knew would never pass (last I heard it was some 33+ of them) and curtail women's rights, I think we may well see something different this time around...at least I fervently hope so! The old "fool me once..." thing looks to be accurate now, and all their broo-ha-ha about civil war won't help them.

If anyone thinks holding the entire government hostage by whining and threatening is the right way to run a government, they're illustrating their own mentality, not any logic.

Oh, when it comes to links...given some here choose to provide none, and I've provided links for everything I've posted until recently, I decided in future to only put up links to things that have more info in them or which I believe are important enough for people to want to read them themselves. If anyone WANTS a link to anything I put up which doesn't have one, I'll happily provide same. What I've found is that, if something is a quote, it's pretty easily found by Googling the first few words, and I'm tired of putting up links to everything that most people never bother to use. Just my decision; whether anyone else agrees or not is up to them.

ETA: I don't think any of us consider Mike a Texan, more like a sane person trapped in an insane state.


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Friday, August 24, 2012 5:51 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Actually, that's what I'm afraid of. The rhetorical posturing, mostly by those opposed to Obama, has long passed the point where the 2 parties can discuss their differences, and reach any sort of compromise. Once you reach that stage, open warfare is the only avenue left. And they'll continue to blame Obama, right up to the point where they don't get their own way, and start killing people.


Ayup, which is gonna be funny cause the gutless shitheels don't have the stomach for potential victims which can fight back, but of course at that point it is gonna be too goddamn late, cause remember, there's a LOT of folk like me out there just waiting, hoping, all but praying that those stupid dumfuck knuckle dragging mouth breathers GIVE US AN EXCUSE.
Please, please, please oh for the love of all the heavens I beg you, PLEASE give us an excuse.

But I doubt it, not only are they cowards who only like targets who can't fight back, they're also texan which doubles down on the craven since for all their big talk, texas has always been the first to knuckle under and their primary battle tactic is to run the hell away pissing yellow with every step - of course, back em into a corner and you'll get bit like Santa Anna, but so long as there's room to run that's what they'll do, run their mouths, run away, and whine like little children when they do not get their way - but actually fight a stand up fight ?
TEXANS ?
Bwahahahahaha hahahahah ahahaha... no.

-Frem

PS. Sorry Mikey - that phoney ass rhetoric of their state in comparision with their backstabbing and cowardly history just galls me, and having lived amongst those scumbag hypocrites for a while, I will call them out on it.



That's an odd thing, Frem.

I have little experience of real Texans under real circumstances, but that is
EXACTLY my opinion of this judge guy.

Hasn't got the balls to make the threat himself, says he's just imagining the worst that could happen and preparing for it,but you can tell from the context that it is his real opinion and what he wants to occur.

And he's a judge- for all of the conservative rants about unaccountable activist judges and "lib'rul" "pussy" judges in their black dresses, he sounds like a cowardly bully who loves to bang the gavel at folks and get his own way, sentencing really bad folks to long times behind bars, where he's protected from them, locking folks up for contempt for disagreeing with him, hiding behind the cops, sheriffs, bailiffs and marshals who enforce his judgements. AND of course, not accountable to ANYBODY, especially not the people or the media.

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Friday, August 24, 2012 6:01 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


re links- I usually put up links- it's more of an acknowleging the source, rather than a convenience thing with me. But this one was RIGHT THERE on the CNN.com home page. If it was gone 8 hours later, I'm sorry about that- it was still there when Geezer made his request. But I do put up links for the hard-to-find stuff, and I did put it up after Geez asked. It was still on the CNN home page, top left, after he asked, because that's where I went to get the link. SO if he'd'a checked in a timely manner, he'd have found it right wher eI said it was.

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Friday, August 24, 2012 6:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, NewOld, the fact that he's a sitting judge just left my jaw on the ground. Shouldn't, heaven knows there are as many asshat judges as there are anything else, but it sickens me nonetheless that he has that power, and to imagine (as you did) how he USES it. Brrrrr...


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Friday, August 24, 2012 6:59 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
re links- I usually put up links- it's more of an acknowleging the source, rather than a convenience thing with me. But this one was RIGHT THERE on the CNN.com home page. If it was gone 8 hours later, I'm sorry about that- it was still there when Geezer made his request. But I do put up links for the hard-to-find stuff, and I did put it up after Geez asked. It was still on the CNN home page, top left, after he asked, because that's where I went to get the link. SO if he'd'a checked in a timely manner, he'd have found it right wher eI said it was.


And if it is soooo easy for Geezer to look up a story you posted, how easy is it for you to copy and paste?

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Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Apparently Judge Head is far from alone:
Quote:

While Judge Head, an elected judge in Lubbock, Texas, has received flak for his suggestion that the county should raise taxes in order to arm up the local constabulary in case the state should be attacked, his fears about civil unrest aren’t isolated.

In fact, they’re widely enough shared that some Americans believe the US government has, in fact, put military contingency plans into effect should the results of the election rile up extremists on the losing side.

Those concerns were fueled earlier this month when Col. Kevin Benson of the US Army's University of Foreign Military and Cultural Studies at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., published a theoretical paper in "Small Wars Journal" positing the response of the US government to an extremist militia fueled by tea party sentiments taking control of Darlington, S.C.

Thanks to a stubbornly poor economy and philosophical – some would say foundational – high stakes apparent in the presidential election, it’s clear from political blogs, letters to the editor, and word on the street that tensions are running high in the country, and that extends to politics. The recent shooting of a guard at the conservative Family Research Council by a gay rights activist supports that.

“The American people are so hot and so angry that it would not take much to set off a raging political fire,” columnist Michael Snyder writes on Hawaii News Daily website.

Although civil unrest is always possible (check out the long list on Wikipedia), there is very little reason to believe any of the doomsday “civil war” scenarios trotted out by people like Judge Head will actually come true.

Today’s stakes, though substantial, are not of civil-war caliber. Whether Obama or Romney is elected in November, chances are great that the workings of the Constitution will temper any revolutionary strains, as it has since the end of the Civil War.

Take, for example, the tension between the Obama administration and Texas – and, yes, there are a few beefs there, ranging from emergency aid for wildfires to voter ID. Those disagreements, despite the polarization and heated rhetoric, are being worked out in the place the Founders intended: the courts and the electoral system. Houston, Dallas and El Paso remain calm.

At the same time, there are growing worries among so-called sovereign citizen radicals and other extremist groups that the Republic is teetering on a precipice. One reason for recent gun-buying sprees and the spread of concealed carry licenses is in preparation for defense against unspecified “government tyranny,” Second Amendment experts say.

And of course, the Wild West of the modern media is there to stir things up, as well.

Last week, the federal government scurried to tamp down rumors about government agencies such as the Weather Service buying tens of thousands of rounds of hollow-point bullets – news that some took to mean that bureaucrats were arming up against the prospect of unrest should Obama be reelected. It turns out that it wasn’t the weather service, but NOAA – which has dozens of armed officers that patrol the nation’s fishing grounds – and several other agencies that order bullets up annually for routine training.

Jezus, what ARE we coming to???


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Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I say - why fight? Let 'em go.

In fact, maybe we should have a 'put up or shut up' vote - states each holding a referendum. Are you in or out?

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