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How To Explain The Difference Between Tyranny And Paranoia

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:32
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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, it won't mean shit to our righties, especially the ones who live in their own Cloud Cuckooland like PN. And yeah, this guy goes over the top, but he makes me smile doing so and says what I would say SO much better than I can, that I want to share it.
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This may need to be the first of a series in a thousand parts; because there seems to be growing confusion about the word “tyranny” and its meanings for those on the right wing. Or, to put it plainly, some of these folks have gone bat-shit crazy.

Like any sensible conservative (yes, Virginia, like Santa, they do exist), any sensible liberal understands that governments can be a threat to the lives and liberties of their own people — liberals remember Nixon and his minions during Watergate, for example. This is why the Founding Fathers wisely divided power among the three branches of government and hog-tied our leaders and ourselves — just in case the “majority rule” thing started to go wrong — by adding the Bill of Rights to the U. S. Constitution.

How, then, does one tell the difference between tyranny and paranoia? We know the right loves the cliche Hitler-Obama comparisons. So, tyranny, to pick but one example among millions, is when Sophie Scholl, a German girl, and her brother Hans are arrested for posting leaflets saying, “Down with Hitler!” and calling for the German people to use passive resistance to undermine the Nazi regime. Tyranny is when you are put on trial for treason on February 22, 1943, found guilty in minutes, and executed hours later, with no chance of appeal.

Bat-shit right-wingers might pay particular attention to the fact the Nazis favored all kinds of cruelties, whereas liberals tend to be sensitive about defendant rights and sometimes even oppose the death penalty.

Paranoia, however, is when you beat your liberal foes badly in the 2010 elections, brag about how you’re going to beat us again in 2012, collect and spend hundreds of millions of dollars to do it, and get the crap kicked out of you, electorally speaking. Under a tyrant you get the political crap kicked out of you literally, usually with hob-nailed boots. When you start whining about tyranny in that situation, frankly, you sound pathetic.

We understand that right-wingers hate communists and liberals with equal fervor and we know they can’t tell the difference. Here’s how you tell the difference. A communist (and a tyrant) is when Pol Pot, who ruled Cambodia in the 70s, turns his entire nation into an infmaous “killing field” and one of every six citizens dies. Liberals, by comparison, favor gay marriage. No one has to die for that to happen.

Tyranny is the vast Soviet gulag. Tyranny is the massacre in Tiananmen Square.

Paranoia is listening to Fox News every day and quaking in fear as guest after guest warns that Mr. Obama is trampling the U. S. Constitution, but not noticing that — frankly, this seems hard not to notice — no one from the government ever comes to get anyone at Fox News. This is as it should be in a great nation where Rush Limbaugh is free to build a following and fill the tedious hours of listeners’ lives with bombast and buffoonery.

Tyranny is Saddam Hussein ordering his military to dump mustard gas and nerve agents on dozens of Kurdish villages, killing thousands of men, women and children.

Paranoia is when you think guaranteeing health care for individuals with preexisting conditions is like dropping nerve gas on villages.

Tyranny is hereditary power — Kim Jong Un taking over from Kim Jong Il, who took over from Kim Il Sung — always without elections — and transforming an entire nation into a vast prison camp. Tyranny is the Assad regime today, Fidel Castro ruling Cuba half a century, and the South African government during the Apartheid Era.

Paranoia is when you can go right down to the gun store and buy up plenty of arms and ammunition; and then you vilify Mr. Obama for issuing executive orders related to gun sales. Even Fox News couldn’t really make them sound scary if anyone who watched Fox News would take time to read them. To wit, Executive Order 6:

“Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.”

In fact, here’s one sure-fire way to tell the difference between tyranny and paranoia: Tyranny almost always involves torture and killing. Paranoia is when you think issuing a letter of guidance to gun dealers is tyranny.

Certainly, we know the whole “Nazism-fascism-liberalism-socialism-communism” continuum confuses paranoid right-wingers. So we should point out for their edification that some of the rightest right-wing governments (Hitler, Mussolini, Franco and Augusto Pinochet) have been most adept in the use of torture and the full-blown exercise of tyranny. Remember the junta of air force generals that ruled Argentina back in the 70s? Forget the elections — they employed death squads to silence critics. Political foes and journalists were shot down as they walked out their front doors. After 1976, the generals had thousands arrested and “disappeared.” By contrast, Obama can’t even make House Republicans raise the debt ceiling. Evidence of their fate began surfacing in 1983, after the Argentinian people rose in revolt. Alfredo Astiz, a former undercover agent, admitted having a hand in a number of killings. Thousands of victims were taken to the Navy Mechanics School in Buenos Aires for questioning. Only a lucky few survived. Some were drugged and thrown from airplanes. After the junta was overturned several mass graves were uncovered. One held the remains of 3,000 victims. All had been shot in the back of the head.

See now? That’s how easy it is once you keep a few basics in mind. That’s how you tell the difference between tyranny and paranoia. Tyranny is a bullet hole in the skull. Paranoia is when Glenn Beck tells you there are FEMA concentration camps; but only he can actually see them. Paranoia is when you believe an imaginary tyrant is out to get you. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/21/how-to-explain-the-difference-
between-tyranny-and-paranoia/


I just love it. I really do.

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 11:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





Easy way: If Obama were truly a tyrant, Rush Limbaugh would be dead by now, along with O'Reilly and everybody at FauxNews.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 1:09 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Good article, Niki. I've noticed how much the right wing in the US like to bandy about the term 'tyranny'.


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Monday, April 15, 2013 4:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Goddamnit Nikki....

I won't bother posting to her, but will anybody else give me the Cliff's Note's version?

She never starts a thread on an original idea and everything she talks about is uber-boring, even if it's a legit topic like "Tyranny and Paranoia"...

If Frem wrote this thread I would have read it in a second. Hell if PN wrote it, I would have read it just for shits and giggles.

Nikki suffers from Terminal Boredom. It's contagious. She's lethal.

Potheads beware...


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Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, Magons, thanx for the photo...I have SUCH a crush on Mandy! Yeah, I know, I was probably among the last to learn he was gay, but what the hell, I can still drool over him! He was so young and delicious back then...

I love the movie, and always quote happily along with him... "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." Hee, hee, hee!

And yes, the statement is about as apropos as possible, too... ;o)


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Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:34 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Goddamnit Nikki....

I won't bother posting to her, but will anybody else give me the Cliff's Note's version?

She never starts a thread on an original idea and everything she talks about is uber-boring, even if it's a legit topic like "Tyranny and Paranoia"...

If Frem wrote this thread I would have read it in a second. Hell if PN wrote it, I would have read it just for shits and giggles.

Nikki suffers from Terminal Boredom. It's contagious. She's lethal.

Potheads beware...




It really must get under your skin that people actually talk to her, and just laugh at you...




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:34 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Yeah, I know, I was probably among the last to learn he was gay,



Well, if it helps - ya beat me to it. This is the first Ive heard that he is gay.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:15 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Yeah, it won't mean shit to our righties...like PN.


Your not shoving him to my side. He's no right-winger. I've been to the meetings, he's never there. Plus he goes after both sides just the same. I don't think there's anybody else in the world that manages to lump George Bush and Barrack Obama into the same Nazi-Jew conspiracy run by the Queen of England.

He's completely unfair and unbalanced...is it possible that he's a the first ultra-radical centrist? A Neo-Cen?

Come on, he's the guy who thinks the Weather Underground was 'in it' with the Military Industrial Complex. He's the guy that says Occupy Wallstreet was paid for by Wallstreet. He's the guy that refuses to drink Coke or Pepsi. He's the guy that refuses to eat the Whopper or the Big Mac. He thinks Joss Whedon was secretly behind the cancellation of Firefly. At night he wont count sheep because he doesn't trust them. He's convinced that the new Pope was the guy that secretly shot Dick Cheney's friend in the face, but that it was all a plot by Dick Cheney to both frame himself and then avoid prosecution for attempted murder. He thinks Luke knew Vader was his father all the time and that Princess Leia was a Nazi. He thinks American Idol is a good show and isn't fixed. He thinks pro wrestling is real, but football is scripted (aside from the Superbowl, which we all know was scripted). He doesn't think chocolate and peanut butter are two great tastes that taste great together. He thinks Hitler was framed. He thinks Hilter is still alive. He thinks Hitler has an army of Jews and is secretly ruling the world from inside Queen Elizabeth's bosum. He thinks the sun and the moon are a Nazi conspiracy to serve 'Big Weather'. He watches MSNBC.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:17 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Hero:

He's completely unfair and unbalanced...is it possible that he's a the first ultra-radical centrist? A Neo-Cen?



Ok, credit where it's due - that was funny - and quite possibly very apt.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hee, hee, hee, Mark, GOTCHA!!!
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Mandy's real name is Mandel Bruce Patinkin his spouse's name is Kathryn Grody and they have 2 children Isaac & Gideon.

I admit, at one point I thought he was, and it saddened me (the usual "oh, what a waste..."). But I gotcha on that one, fair and square!

Shit, what's Six up to now? Is he still obsessing on me? Wonder if he'll ever find anyone else to focus so desperately on... I wondered why some of those old posts had reappeared--went to them and found other people posting interesting things, but of course I don't read anything he posts, were they all just rants about me? I'M "ubar-boring"? Has his posting changed or something, because I thought he had that title hand's down! That one deserves my prize for the first guffaw of the day, admittedly.

And okay, I hate to do it, but the prize for the first SEVERAL giggles of the day goes to "Hero". That was well done, fair is fair. Thank you. But I have no doubt PN doesn't watch MSNBC, I doubt he watches ANYTHING but his own shit, or reads anything from any legitimate news source (IS there such a thing left these days??).



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