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Holder seeks limits on mandatory minimum sentencing

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UPDATED: Monday, August 19, 2013 08:36
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Monday, August 12, 2013 6:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Attorney General Eric Holder will call Monday for major changes in the federal criminal justice system, including doing away with some mandatory minimum sentencing policies that have condemned scores of non-violent offenders to long prison terms and driven up the costs of incarceration. More at http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/08/12/holder-mandator
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"Mandatory minimums" have been a travesty born out of fear from the start, in my opinion, just like our damned "three strikes".

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Monday, August 12, 2013 7:57 AM

AGENTROUKA


Saw the same story at bbc news. Seems like a good first step?

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Monday, August 12, 2013 8:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Why now ?

( I can think of a reason, but never mind. )

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, August 12, 2013 1:05 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


From our local news coverage, sounds like this is mostly gonna focus on simple pot possession and the like.

Seems to be a good idea.

If they'd just decriminalize simple pot possession and use altogether, that would be even better.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, August 19, 2013 5:55 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Apparently not just a good first step, Rouka, but a movement, even among some conservatives:
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Cuccinelli says sentencing policy should be judged, in part, on cost

Five days after he announced his candidacy for governor of Virginia, Republican Ken Cuccinelli II showed a side of himself seemingly at odds with his reputation as a tough law-and-order conservative.

The Virginia attorney general stood proudly at a news conference in late 2011 announcing the exoneration of a Richmond man who had spent 27 years in prison after being falsely convicted of rape. Cuccinelli had personally championed the man’s innocence, a sign of the broad evolution in Cuccinelli’s views on crime and punishment that would also lead him to argue that a frugal government should be more discerning about whom it puts behind bars.

“There is an expectation that the generic Republican position is tough on crime,” Cuccinelli said in an interview Thursday. “But even that has budget limits, particularly on the prison side.’’

Two decades after Republican George Allen charged into the Virginia governorship by vowing to eliminate parole for violent offenders, a rhetorical shift among the state’s leading conservatives reflects changing attitudes toward criminal justice nationwide.

U.S. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. underscored the new dynamic last week when he announced reforms aimed at reducing sentences for some low-level offenders and slowing massive growth in the nation’s prison population. Republicans, who have targeted Holder on other issues, were generally supportive. The attorney general urged passage of legislation that has been introduced in Congress with bipartisan support that would give ­judges more discretion in applying stiff sentences to some drug crimes.

Amid fiscal problems caused in part by massive prison populations and research showing that mass incarceration causes social harm, some leading conservatives have been pushing for reforms.

“This is a fundamental shift in how we see criminal justice,’’ said David A. Harris, a University of Pittsburgh professor who studies crime and police. “There is a growing awareness of the fiscal and social costs of our great experiment in mass incarceration, and the balance has shifted from trying to look unrelentingly tough to asking what works best.’’ http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cuccinelli-says-sentencing-poli
cy-should-be-judged-in-part-on-cost/2013/08/18/b6496e38-068c-11e3-88d6-d5795fab4637_story.html?hpid=z3



I wouldn't dignify Rap's crack by asking what his "guess" would be, but I'll bet this isn't it, and I'll bet it was something negative about The Left. As for me, I say "huzzah!"; I only hope the right takes a long, hard look at the "fiscal" results of their push for privatizing prisons, too, since that hasn't worked out so great either. Even if their only interest is in the money, if it brings about a more intelligent attitude, so be it.


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Monday, August 19, 2013 8:36 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Both mandatory minimums and must-arrest scenarios are plain bullshit.
As are zero-tolerance policies, as we've seen the "happy" *sarcasm* consquences of them....

Thing about including a HUMAN element, a cop, a judge, an administrator, is the APPLICATION OF COMMON SENSE and decency, and if you cannot trust them to fucking apply it, you should NOT have hired them in the first place.
Removing the whole reason you engaged a human to do this job instead of a damn computer, is an insult to both the human doing the job and the persons on the receiving end of that result.

We give them discretion because without it, without that human, HUMANE, element, folks who should NOT be prosecuted and/or incarcerated are.
Which is part and parcel of why Prohibition initially failed, cause no cop worth the badge would arrest someone unless they absolutely had to for boozing up cause the whole idea was ridiculous bullshit and an insult to humanity as a whole, and so with the "War on (some) Drugs" they revoked that method of subtle defiance by removing officer discretion and creating a horde of "just-following-orders" jackboots who would be more properly disposed to a backwater deserted island where their rampant malicious socipathy would harm no one but themselves instead of trying to keep order in our society.

I should know, hell, knowing when and why to "look the other way" is why our residents adore me so, cause if I were really to follow the very letter of every goddamn stupid fucking nitpick, I'd be doing NOTHING else for four goddamn hours a night and we wouldn't HAVE any residents, shortly resulting in no freakin income or employment and my ass starving and homeless.

But of course the badge bearing scum can always get the Govt to stick their guns in our faces and demand more money, OR ELSE!

Makes you wonder what the world might be like if they had to actually obey the Peelian Principles and have the support of the community rather than depending on force majeure, hostility, and the ability to forcibly extort more money and power at whim, does it not ?

Hooray for Anarchy, you ask me - yes, an Anarchist Security Force might SEEM a contradiction in terms on the face of it, but that is in fact what we have, and quite exclusively now as we've fired the useless Contract folks who seemed to think not showing up and not doing the job was acceptable (prolly learned THAT bad behavior from the police) and now our ENTIRE security force for this whole damn end of the county is under my personal dominion, which I will not abuse simply cause I find the notion morally repulsive.

-Frem

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