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The single biggest strategic mistake Republicans made with the shutdown

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:26
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Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:39 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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By virtually any measure, the rollout of the health-care exchanges — a central element of the Affordable Care Act — has been a disaster. Technical glitches abound and a new poll conducted by the Associated Press-GfK shows that just 27 percent of Americans believe the unveiling of the exchanges has gone well.

That’s front page/top of broadcast sort of news. And it’s all bad for President Obama. Except that the federal government is shut down, a story so big that it has sucked up all the media oxygen that under virtually any other circumstances would be spent on the problems with a centerpiece of Obamacare. And that is Republicans’ single biggest strategic misstep of this entire shutdown — and the one that may haunt them for months to come.

As we have written before, health care is a stone-cold winner — if polling is accurate — for Republicans in the midterm elections unless they screw it up, which they are in the process of doing.

First, Republicans — led by Texas Sen. Ted Cruz — chose, literally, the one message on Obamacare that isn’t popular among the public: linking the defunding of the law to funding the federal government.

In a Washington Post-ABC News poll conducted late last month, just one in four (27 percent) respondents said they approved of tying the defunding of Obamacare to keeping the government open. That same poll showed a majority (52 percent) of Americans disapproving of the law.

And now, by making good on the threat to shut down the government unless Obama and Senate Democrats agreed to revise the health-care law, Republicans have effectively obscured for the American public a grand-slam sort of issue for them.

Imagine for a moment that after fighting like hell to repeal/defund/delay Obamacare, congressional Republicans cut a deal to keep the government open on Sept. 30. The next day, the health-insurance exchanges debuted — to initial (and continuing) bad reviews. Not only would there be wall-to-wall media coverage of the problems but Republicans would be perfectly positioned to say, “I told you so”.

The struggles of the exchanges to get off the ground would be Exhibit A to reinforce the Republican argument that the program is simply not ready for prime time and needs to be delayed and/or reexamined. Instead, the problems with the rollout of the health-insurance exchanges are on the back burner. What’s on the front one? The divide within the Republican Party over the best way forward on the shutdown and the broad fiscal debate.

Since it’s baseball playoff season, we’ll put it in those terms: Republicans took a hanging curveball and not only didn’t swing at it but closed their eyes when it was thrown. And they will almost certainly look back with regret on that decision. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/10/10/the-single-b
iggest-strategic-mistake-republicans-made-in-the-shutdown/


One would be tempted to laugh, if it weren't so pathetic. Most likely the glitches will get fixed slowly over time (and everyone's familiar with computerized roll-outs and the messes they make; how long do people remember them?), people will forget about the roll-out, but millions will remember when the government shut down. Let's hope they remember for just over a year and a month. By then, people will be benefitting from the ACA and there will be not just those voters who remember how the shutdown hurt THEM personally, but all those who have medical coverage who previously didn't.

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Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:38 PM

CHRISISALL


*chrisisall posting as AURaptor*

Niki, once again you make yourself look like the fool- most Americans see through the smokescreen and approve of Congress' actions to halt the fascist Obamacare. That the glitches appeared is only icing on the GOP cake. The lasting pain from the shutdown that will cripple our economy for months or years to come will be seen by true Americans as the necessary pain of an operation without the aesthetic that the DEMOCRATS withheld from them! And once again, you failed to prove your point. Your left wing lies are all too transparent, as are your water bottles and flimsy negligees.
Embrace the fact that the fact-less facts you embrace are embraceless, and worse, dumb.
We win; you lose.
Deal w/it.
You know I'm right.

*back to me now*

As an author, do you think I got the voice right here?



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Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:44 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:

... do you think I got the voice right here?


Perfect. Sounded just like you were talking out of your arse.

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Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:47 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Perfect. Sounded just like you were talking out of your arse.

YES! I got it then!
Thanks Jong!

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Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:53 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Not so fast Huckleberry .... I meant that your continued demented hostility and nastiness towards AURaptor only makes YOU the jackass here.

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Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:02 PM

JONGSSTRAW


And by the way Chris .... Adam Baldwin tweeted yesterday his total support of anti-Obama Conservative James Woods. You gonna wish that he dies too?


"I’d shoot & slaughter the cow for @RealJamesWoods’ steak to be grilled.—
Adam Baldwin (@AdamBaldwin) October 09, 2013"


http://twitchy.com/2013/10/09/my-country-first-james-woods-doesnt-expe
ct-to-work-again-after-brutally-honest-criticism-of-obama
/

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Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:57 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
You gonna wish that he dies too?

Don't have to wish, everybody does.
And sooner than later, according to Michelle Bachman, the Conservative heroine.

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Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:02 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by chrisisall:


As an author, do you think I got the voice right here?





Absolutely crushed it.

Had that been posted blind, I would have thought it was rappy. The only think you missed was squeezing in Alinski.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:26 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
And by the way Chris .... Adam Baldwin tweeted yesterday his total support of anti-Obama Conservative James Woods.



Okay, my playtime is over for a moment.

Seriously & truthfully, I don't like Obama. He's a willing cog in a stupid wheel, a dude who means well (so did the recent Bush BTW), but isn't able to comprehend the big picture enough to make good decisions. Like all of them (Presidents, I mean), they RELY on the advice of loser misanthropes bent on playing THE GAME because that's all that matters to them.
I favour erring on the side of humanitarianism to war, but even Obama has shown that he's an idiot in this area.
If I've seemed a bit crazy of late, it's because we've learned nothing from the conversation between Kirk & Spock from The Undiscovered Country (My favourite Trek film now).
Kirk had no faith in peace possibilities, Spock too much.

Extremes are so... extreme.

Cue Sinatra music:
Why aren't we rich? Let's grow a pair.
Me here at last on the ground and you in mid-air
Send in the drones

Isn't it bliss? Don't you approve?
We keep tearing up ground, and now we can't move
But where are the drones? Send in the drones
There HAVE to be drones


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Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
And by the way Chris .... Adam Baldwin tweeted yesterday his total support of anti-Obama Conservative James Woods. You gonna wish that he dies too?




To be fair, Chrissy didn't just wish that I 'died', but that I killed myself. There is a difference.

And it was Jocelyn Elders, former US Surgeon General, who wisely stated that " we're all gonna die of something ", so let's all masturbate ! OK, she definitely said the first part, but maybe not in the same sentence as the masturbation comment.

Every child is a planned and wanted child

Unless that child grows up to be a freedom loving conservative.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:01 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
To be fair, Chrissy didn't just wish that I 'died', but that I killed myself. There is a difference.

I just suggested that if you follow Michelle Bachman's ideas, you might want to rush to see Jesus.

But it's nice to see you acknowledge that I actually didn't want to see you killed. I'd wish that on no innocent person.

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Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:09 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Niki, once again you make yourself look like the fool- most Americans see through the smokescreen and approve of Congress' actions to halt the fascist Obamacare. That the glitches appeared is only icing on the GOP cake. The lasting pain from the shutdown that will cripple our economy for months or years to come will be seen by true Americans as the necessary pain of an operation without the aesthetic that the DEMOCRATS withheld from them! And once again, you failed to prove your point. Your left wing lies are all too transparent, as are your water bottles and flimsy negligees.
Embrace the fact that the fact-less facts you embrace are embraceless, and worse, dumb.
We win; you lose.
Deal w/it.
You know I'm right.



PRICELESS! It's way late in the day, in fact it's 7:00 at night, but you get the prize for the first BIG guffaw of the day, my man, many thanx! I especially liked the water bottle and negligee...

I fully understand how this makes you feel crazy, it does me as well. It's so insane I can't believe it keeps on going on like this, I keep thinking people HAVE to wake up, but they don't, and the "inmates" keep screwing the "asylum" worse and worse. I happen to agree with everything you said in this last post, and I despair for our country.

I'd despair for Rap, too, but I gave that up long ago.

Just out of curiosity, where were Rap, Jong and all those coming down on you now when Wulf, Kane, etc., were calling for my death? Nothing like a little double standard to keep things flowing, eh?


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Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:22 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Niki2:
you get the prize for the first BIG guffaw of the day, my man

Much obliged, my woman.

On topic here though, yeah, the Repigs (not to be confused with actual Republicans) have shot their foot, and lost a potential win IMO.



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Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:22 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


You did good

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Friday, October 11, 2013 9:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup.



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Friday, October 11, 2013 9:33 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

And by the way Chris .... Adam Baldwin tweeted yesterday his total support of anti-Obama Conservative James Woods. You gonna wish that he dies too?



To be fair, Chrissy didn't just wish that I 'died', but that I killed myself. There is a difference.


Right....my bad. Chris explains above that because he's mad at Obama he's not responsible, or he is and we should just understand. But his Star Trek Undiscovered Country reference only makes the situation worse.

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And it was Jocelyn Elders, former US Surgeon General, who wisely stated that " we're all gonna die of something ", so let's all masturbate ! OK, she definitely said the first part, but maybe not in the same sentence as the masturbation comment.

Every child is a planned and wanted child

Unless that child grows up to be a freedom loving conservative.


Between Elders and Clinton it was a boom time for dry cleaning and stain removal services.. My friend Schlomo bought a chain of them and really cleaned up, so to speak.


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Friday, October 11, 2013 12:26 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Gee whiz, I don't remember Chris saying he was mad at Obama, or that he's not responsible. These guys even read things that aren't there; wow, that's a heckofa talent!












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