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Obama didn't know the NSA was spying on world leaders, but he found time for at least 146 rounds of golf.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:50 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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The Unbearable Lightness of Obama
By Bret Stephens
Wall Street Journal
Oct. 28, 2013

Is there a method to President Obama's style of leadership, his methods of decision-making, his habits of attention, oversight and follow-through? In recent months I've been keeping a file of stories that might suggest an answer. See what you think.
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"President Barack Obama went nearly five years without knowing his own spies were bugging the phones of world leaders. Officials said the NSA has so many eavesdropping operations under way that it wouldn't have been practical to brief him on all of them.

"They added that the president was briefed on and approved of broader intelligence-collection 'priorities,' but that those below him make decisions about specific targets."

—The Wall Street Journal, Oct. 28, 2013


"HealthCare.gov is the highest-profile experiment yet in the Obama administration's effort to modernize government by using technology, with the site intended to become a user-friendly pathway to new health insurance options for millions of uninsured Americans.

"'This was the president's signature project and no one with the right technology experience was in charge,' said Bob Kocher, a former White House aide who helped draft the law."

—The Wall Street Journal, Oct. 28, 2013


"Tensions between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia have grown sharply in recent months. President Barack Obama authorized the CIA to provide limited arms to carefully vetted Syrian rebels, but it took months for the program to commence. . . .

"One Western diplomat described Saudi Arabia as eager to be a military partner in what was to have been the U.S.-led military strikes on Syria. As part of that, the Saudis asked to be given the list of military targets for the proposed strikes. The Saudis indicated they never got the information, the diplomat said."

—The Wall Street Journal, Oct. 21, 2013


"Besides the Syrian government's gains, there was mounting evidence that Mr. Assad's troops had repeatedly used chemical weapons against civilians.

"Even as the debate about arming the rebels took on a new urgency, Mr. Obama rarely voiced strong opinions during senior staff meetings. But current and former officials said his body language was telling: he often appeared impatient and disengaged while listening to the debate, sometimes scrolling through messages on his BlackBerry or slouching and chewing gum."

— New York Times, Oct. 22, 2013


"On Saturday, as the shutdown drama played out on Capitol Hill, President Obama played golf at Fort Belvoir in Virginia."

— Washington Post, Sept. 28, 2013


"For French President François Hollande, it seemed like the perfect response: a lightning-quick strike on Syria to punish the government for an alleged chemical weapons attack.

"But with President Obama's surprise decision to ask Congress for a go-ahead on military action, Hollande has found himself embroiled in political controversy abroad and at home. Instead of vaunting Hollande as a warrior charging off to do battle, critics say he now looks more like a sidekick who was left in the lurch by his American ally."

—Washington Post, Sept. 6, 2013


"The essence of Eisenhower's hidden hand, of course, is that there was real work going on that people didn't know at the time. If that's true now, then Obama really is emulating Ike. If, on the other hand, he's simply doing nothing or very little, that would be passivity, not hidden-hand leadership."

—Eisenhower biographer Jim Newton, quoted in New York Times, July 15, 2013


"In polo shirt, shorts and sandals, President Obama headed to the golf course Friday morning with a couple of old friends, then flew to Camp David for a long weekend. Secretary of State John Kerry was relaxing at his vacation home in Nantucket.

"Aides said both men were updated as increasingly bloody clashes left dozens dead in Egypt, but from outward appearances they gave little sense that the Obama administration viewed the broader crisis in Cairo with great alarm."

—New York Times, July 5, 2013


"The president had a truly disturbing habit of funneling major foreign-policy decisions through a small cabal of relatively inexperienced White House advisors whose turf was strictly politics. Their primary concern was how any action in Afghanistan or the Middle East would play on the nightly news, or which talking point it would give Republicans."

— Vali Nasr, "The Dispensable Nation," April 2013


http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304655104579163412
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Obama is just like Sgt. Schultz ..... He knows nothing! He sees nothing!

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Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:17 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Bush didn't know about the ongoing Katrina disaster, but he found time to attend McCain's b'day party. And Brownie did a "heckuva job".

Obama deserves plenty of criticism. I'm sure he knew about the snooping, I think he just lied his ass off. Bush and Cheney deserved just as much criticism (you'll notice the snooping on Angela Merkel's phone went back to 2002??) for similar reasons. Clinton deserved a boatload of criticism for other reasons; but Monica was not one of them.

What I find irrational about you, rappy, and zit (assuming you're all separate posters) is that you unload on one President for a number of reasons, and avoid criticizing another President for (in many cases) exactly the same reasons. Given that your rantings are so entirely devoid of a sense or proportion and history... or even reality... why should we take you seriously? (The answer is, of course, that we shouldn't.)

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Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:34 AM

JONGSSTRAW


^^ Poor Sniggy is too stupid to realize that this article was written by the Wall Street Journal, not me. The Wall Street Journal, yanno, the paper that you yourself cited recently in one of your posts. Neither Bush or Clinton is president, and haven't been for many years. Current events bitch, current events...
Fast & Furious
Benghazi
IRS
NSA
DOJ / AP
Obamacare web debacle

That's all on Obama's watch, but he knew nothing. You're a pathetically delusional self-important twit, but we already knew that. See "smarter than thou" section below.





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Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:47 AM

BYTEMITE


Golf, game of choice of presidents and doctors who'd rather be playing instead of saving lives and doing their overpaid jobs.

In fairness though, the NSA has been running rabid since after the Eisenhower years. Every now and then the seedy clandestine shit they do catches up to them. No accountability plus a paranoid reactionary and insular work culture creates jerks who think they're above the voice of the people.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2013 5:48 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Golf, game of choice of presidents and doctors who'd rather be playing instead of saving lives and doing their overpaid jobs.

In fairness though, the NSA has been running rabid since after the Eisenhower years. Every now and then the seedy clandestine shit they do catches up to them. No accountability plus a paranoid reactionary and insular work culture creates jerks who think they're above the voice of the people.

This. They don't answer to anyone.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:11 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Bush didn't know about the ongoing Katrina disaster, but he found time to attend McCain's b'day party. And Brownie did a "heckuva job".



Actually, Bush had FEMA and Nat Guard ready and waiting on Gov Blanco, who balked, and did NOTHING, while Katrina bore down on NOLA.

She ( AND Mayor Nagin ) let their partisanship and incompetence get in the way of both allowing Federal assistance and implementing their own emergency measures.

The GUTLESS revisionism by the Left, over events EIGHT years ago, to try to deflect from Obama's CURRENT eff ups, are beyond despicable.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:25 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Golf, game of choice of presidents and doctors who'd rather be playing instead of saving lives and doing their overpaid jobs.

In fairness though, the NSA has been running rabid since after the Eisenhower years. Every now and then the seedy clandestine shit they do catches up to them. No accountability plus a paranoid reactionary and insular work culture creates jerks who think they're above the voice of the people.


Exactly.
And since it's prettymuch an open secret that they spy on and blackmail our own political leaders to get their way it asks the question of who is really in charge if our representatives aren't even allowed to represent us in the unlikely occasion they even wanted to.

Our so called protectors are a greater threat to all we hold dear than any outside threat, and if you really wish to fight terrorism then start at Langley, Meade and Quantico.

Of course, given what happened to Kennedy after trying to dismantle the CIA I am not adverse to ordering a B52 strike on their headquarters or even in extremis a 50kt tactical - have to do it by manual though, since they're the ones with all the drones, don't ya know.

-F

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