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Which of the 11 American nations do you live in?

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:46 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Many of us have long said America is too big to pigeon-hole into any one mentality, or even a number of them.
Here's one author's attempt I thought some might find interesting:
Quote:

Red states and blue states? Flyover country and the coasts? How simplistic. Colin Woodard, a reporter at the Portland Press Herald and author of several books, says North America can be broken neatly into 11 separate nation-states, where dominant cultures explain our voting behaviors and attitudes toward everything from social issues to the role of government.

“The borders of my eleven American nations are reflected in many different types of maps — including maps showing the distribution of linguistic dialects, the spread of cultural artifacts, the prevalence of different religious denominations, and the county-by-county breakdown of voting in virtually every hotly contested presidential race in our history,” Woodard writes in the Fall 2013 issue of Tufts University’s alumni magazine. “Our continent’s famed mobility has been reinforcing, not dissolving, regional differences, as people increasingly sort themselves into like-minded communities.”

Take a look at his map:


( http://www.tufts.edu/alumni/magazine/fall2013/features/up-in-arms.html)

Woodard lays out his map in the new book “American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America.” Here’s how he breaks down the continent:

Yankeedom: Founded by Puritans, residents in Northeastern states and the industrial Midwest tend to be more comfortable with government regulation. They value education and the common good more than other regions.

New Netherland: The Netherlands was the most sophisticated society in the Western world when New York was founded, Woodard writes, so it’s no wonder that the region has been a hub of global commerce. It’s also the region most accepting of historically persecuted populations.

The Midlands: Stretching from Quaker territory west through Iowa and into more populated areas of the Midwest, the Midlands are “pluralistic and organized around the middle class.” Government intrusion is unwelcome, and ethnic and ideological purity isn’t a priority.

Tidewater: The coastal regions in the English colonies of Virginia, North Carolina, Maryland and Delaware tend to respect authority and value tradition. Once the most powerful American nation, it began to decline during Westward expansion.

Greater Appalachia: Extending from West Virginia through the Great Smoky Mountains and into Northwest Texas, the descendants of Irish, English and Scottish settlers value individual liberty. Residents are “intensely suspicious of lowland aristocrats and Yankee social engineers.”

Deep South: Dixie still traces its roots to the caste system established by masters who tried to duplicate West Indies-style slave society, Woodard writes. The Old South values states’ rights and local control and fights the expansion of federal powers.

El Norte: Southwest Texas and the border region is the oldest, and most linguistically different, nation in the Americas. Hard work and self-sufficiency are prized values.

The Left Coast: A hybrid, Woodard says, of Appalachian independence and Yankee utopianism loosely defined by the Pacific Ocean on one side and coastal mountain ranges like the Cascades and the Sierra Nevadas on the other. The independence and innovation required of early explorers continues to manifest in places like Silicon Valley and the tech companies around Seattle.

The Far West: The Great Plains and the Mountain West were built by industry, made necessary by harsh, sometimes inhospitable climates. Far Westerners are intensely libertarian and deeply distrustful of big institutions, whether they are railroads and monopolies or the federal government.

New France: Former French colonies in and around New Orleans and Quebec tend toward consensus and egalitarian, “among the most liberal on the continent, with unusually tolerant attitudes toward gays and people of all races and a ready acceptance of government involvement in the economy,” Woodard writes.

First Nation: The few First Nation peoples left — Native Americans who never gave up their land to white settlers — are mainly in the harshly Arctic north of Canada and Alaska. They have sovereignty over their lands, but their population is only around 300,000.

The clashes between the 11 nations play out in every way, from politics to social values. Woodard notes that states with the highest rates of violent deaths are in the Deep South, Tidewater and Greater Appalachia, regions that value independence and self-sufficiency. States with lower rates of violent deaths are in Yankeedom, New Netherland and the Midlands, where government intervention is viewed with less skepticism.

States in the Deep South are much more likely to have stand-your-ground laws than states in the northern “nations.” And more than 95 percent of executions in the United States since 1976 happened in the Deep South, Greater Appalachia, Tidewater and the Far West. States in Yankeedom and New Netherland have executed a collective total of just one person.

That doesn’t bode well for gun control advocates, Woodard concludes: “With such sharp regional differences, the idea that the United States would ever reach consensus on any issue having to do with violence seems far-fetched. The cultural gulf between Appalachia and Yankeedom, Deep South and New Netherland is simply too large. But it’s conceivable that some new alliance could form to tip the balance.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/11/08/which-of-the
-11-american-nations-do-you-live-in/?tid=pm_pop


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Sunday, November 10, 2013 3:41 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Woodard notes that states with the highest rates of violent deaths are in the Deep South, Tidewater and Greater Appalachia, regions that value independence and self-sufficiency.



Not quite.

Per Statemaster.com. the top 10 states for firearms death rates, for example, are:

District of Columbia (31.2 per 100,000)
Alaska (31.2 per 100,000)
Lousiana (20 per 100,000)
Wyoming (19.5 per 100,000)
Arizona(18.8 per 100,000)
Nevada (18 per 100,000)
Mississippi (17.3 per 100,000)
New Mexico (17.3 per 100,000)
Arkansas (16.6 per 100,000)
Alabama (16.2 per 100,000)
Tennessee (15.4 per 100,000) (if you don't count D.C. as a state)

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-00
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So five (or six) of these states are totally or partially outside the Deep South, Tidewater, or Greater Appalachia. Actually, none are in the Tidewater at all.

Makes me doubt the scholorship a bit.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


violent deaths
v
firearms death rates

It might make a difference.


btw, just b/c something is violent, does it make it murder? It could be suicide, or even accidental. I think I'd like to see his definition.

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:16 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Violent death rates by state, seems to check out:

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/cause-of-death/violence/by-stat
e
/

The US suffers far more violence deaths than other developed countries:

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/09/us_suffers_far_more_violent_deaths_tha
n_any_other_wealthy_nation
/

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Interesting. Thanks for the info.

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:24 PM

ELVISCHRIST




Yankeedom for the win!!

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:53 PM

DEVERSE

Hey, Ive been in a firefight before! Well, I was in a fire. Actually, I was fired from a fry-cook opportunity.


Not sure about the USA, but not even close for Canada - actually pretty much 100% wrong.

I actually laughed out loud and lost a mouthful of tea reading about New France;
"...emerged as down-to-earth, egalitarian, and consensus driven, among the most liberal on the continent, with unusually tolerant attitudes toward gays and people of all races and a ready acceptance of government involvement in the economy."

I'm thinking he's never been to any of these places.


Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 6:45 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Geezer: The data you offered which conflicts with the article, do you have dates for it? The article just came out two days ago; going to the site you linked and looking around, I can only find dates like 2003, 2008, and the most recent, 2010. That might explain some of the discrepancy.

I am not putting the article forward as anything other than potentiall interesting, by the way, as I'm in no position to determine how accurate or not it is. I just thought it might be of interest.


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Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:20 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Violent death rates by state, seems to check out:

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/cause-of-death/violence/by-stat
e
/




Not really making your point.

D.C., New Mexico, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Michigan aren't either partly or totally in the Deep South, Tidewater and Greater Appalachia as described. Still none of the top ten in the Tidewater.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:26 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Geezer: The data you offered which conflicts with the article, do you have dates for it? The article just came out two days ago; going to the site you linked and looking around, I can only find dates like 2003, 2008, and the most recent, 2010. That might explain some of the discrepancy.

I am not putting the article forward as anything other than potentiall interesting, by the way, as I'm in no position to determine how accurate or not it is. I just thought it might be of interest.




The Statemaster dates are from 2006. Unless you have any evidence that they've changed greatly, I'd think they're pretty accurate. KPO's figures show differences, but also strangely show lower overall violent death rates than Statemaster figures for just violent firearms deaths. Also, as noted above, KPO's figures show that half the top ten states for violent deaths are not in the Deep South, Tidewater and Greater Appalachia.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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