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I was not informed.

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 6:02 PM

AURAPTOR

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This is SOOO Bart Simpson...




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NBC News | November 14, 2013

Obama: 'I was not informed' website would not work correctly
President Barack Obama says he was not directly informed of the numerous problems with healthcare.gov before its launch.


http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/53554802#53554802




And now, the REST of the story...


Before O-Care debacle, Sebelius made many trips to White House


By Kevin Bogardus and Jonathan Easley

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/1982
96-before-o-care-debacle-sebelius-made-many-trips-to-white-house#ixzz2tQzCXKjd


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Report: Sebelius Met With Obama 18 Times Before Botched Obamacare Rollout

Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius made more than a dozen trips to the White House before the rocky rollout of the Obamacare exchanges in October, hundreds of documents obtained by The Hill show.

Despite her assertions that President Barack Obama was unaware of the litany of problems, Sebelius met with or took part in calls and events with the president at least 18 times between Oct. 27, 2012 and Oct. 6, 2013, and in at least seven of those instances they were scheduled to discuss Obamacare.

Sebelius also met or had calls with Pete Rouse and Valerie Jarrett, two of Obama's closest advisers; White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough; and Chris Jennings, then a White House senior healthcare adviser during that period, the records show.

In response to the documents, HHS said in a statement that Sebelius "is frequently at the White House for meetings on a wide range of topics, including the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. As we have also said, the Affordable Care Act is more than just a website, and consistent with other significant policy initiatives, there was coordination across the Administration on a broad range of policy and implementation topics."

But her frequent visits in the months leading up to the disastrous website rollout raise questions about what the president knew or did not know.

In a Nov. 14 press conference, according to The Hill, Obama said, "I was not informed directly that the website would not be working the way it was supposed to. Had I been informed, I wouldn't be going out saying, boy, this is going to be great."

The documents also show that Sebelius met with influential journalists, including former Washington Post reporter Ezra Klein and New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, to discuss Obamacare.

Less than a month after her April 23 meeting with Friedman, the Times ran a column by him about how the number of startups dedicated to information on Obamacare showed that it "already appears to be surprising on the upside."

After the botched rollout, Sebelius faced a Congressional panel to explain what went wrong. She noted no one had warned her of potential problems, not staff or contractors involved.

"Did any senior department official predict serious problems? And did any senior department officials advise delaying the rollout of the exchanges or parts of the exchanges on Oct. 1?" Florida GOP Rep. Gus Bilirakis asked Sebeliuson Oct. 30 before the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

"I can tell you that no senior official reporting to me ever advised me that we should delay," she answered.

Sebelius has maintained that Obama was made aware of problemswith the site only days after its launch.

U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa, who chairs the House Oversight Committee, has repeatedly asked for Sebelius to answer for the problems with Obamacare rollout. He has threatened she faces criminal penalties if her previous testimony before Congress was misleading.





Just more of my "agenda" I'm posting here, though. Ignore it, go back to sleep. Pretend it's not happening.

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Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:37 AM

AURAPTOR

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What's funny is that GWB was to have been personally responsible for everything that went on with in the walls of Abu Ghraib, 24/7, while Obama can't be expected to have known ANYTHING about his own freaking law. Even after meeting w/ Sebelius well over a dozen times, right up to the launching of the new web site.

Totally in the dark, unaware and with out any notion what so ever.

That's our Barry !

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:55 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You make a good point there Rap.

The RWED seems to be riddled with double-standards all over the place these days. People who decried the very arguments they're using to get across their point today.



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Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:58 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Right-wingers are totally vested in the idea of an Obamacare collapse. They have no plan B, and their only answer to growing evidence that it’s not going to happen is furious denial.

If you’ve been tracking the news on signups under the Affordable Care Act – which is easy thanks to Charles Gaba’s invaluable site http://acasignups.net/ – you already knew that the program was making a pretty good recovery from the botched start. Now, however, it’s official http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/13/us/3-3-million-enrolled-in-health-ca
re-marketplaces-more-young-people-signing-up.html?hp&_r=0
as of the end of January signups were only about a million behind their projected track as of last spring, which means that as of March 31 the total is likely to be 6-point-something million rather than the projected 7 million. In other words, basically OK.

But here’s the thing: every online article I’ve seen about the latest numbers is followed by a huge number of vitriolic comments insisting that it isn’t true, that Obamacare is a total disaster. Some commenters declare that all the numbers are lies; others, getting their take from right-wing bloggers, say that all of those who have signed up but not yet paid their first premium – ahem, 47 percent of the total – will never pay and are fake enrollees. And so on.

You can’t help but notice the resemblance to the “unskewing” fever of the final weeks of the 2012 election, when everyone on the right knew, just knew, that the polls showing a clear Obama edge were biased and wrong, and that if you reworked the numbers somehow they pointed to a Romney triumph.

Now, you might ask, how do I know that the Obamacare unskewers are wrong? Actually, I don’t know that for sure – but it’s very unlikely that they’re right. For one thing, they are more or less the same as the poll unskewers – people who know nothing about the subject, but know what they want to believe. For another, CBO – which has a reputation to defend – thinks it’s going to be OK. http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/cbo-aca-ok/

Finally, the insurers, who have real money on the line, seem fairly calm, which wouldn’t be the case if they saw really terrible enrollment.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Actually, there IS a " Plan B ",( HR 2300, for example ) second, but the MSM keeps it hidden, and yes, the GOP are gutless idiots who refuse to even try to get their message out.

But this isn't about Plan B. Best thing to solve a problem is to not make matters worse. ObamaCare make matters a whole lot worse, for everyone.

And to the point, Obama knew. Dude is a pathological liar. The concept of being held accountable for your lies does not register w/ this man. He's never had to BE accountable for anything. Why start now ?

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projected 7 million. In other words, basically OK.


Yeah, more numbers shell game by the admin. There needs to be a MINIMUM of 7 million PAYING enrolled. Not just signed up. This 'basically ok ' line is laughably absurd. It's not even close to what they need. Nice spin, though.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:52 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Right-wingers are totally vested in the idea of an Obamacare collapse. They have no plan B, and their only answer to growing evidence that it’s not going to happen is furious denial.



No denying this....

All I'm saying is that Obama kept up with all the practices we all agreed were shit when GWB started them. Somehow, nobody is even talking about the wars anymore. They're just background noise.

They're still happening, don't you know?


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Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:59 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Somehow, nobody is even talking about the wars anymore. ... They're still happening, don't you know?"

We're out of Iraq as of 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq Not sure if you've kept up with the news.

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Sunday, February 16, 2014 12:01 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Right-wingers are totally vested in the idea of an Obamacare collapse. They have no plan B, and their only answer to growing evidence that it’s not going to happen is furious denial.



No denying this....



Actually, there IS denying this, because it's not true.

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All I'm saying is that Obama kept up with all the practices we all agreed were shit when GWB started them. Somehow, nobody is even talking about the wars anymore. They're just background noise.

They're still happening, don't you know?



Different matter. The point of THIS thread is to show how Obama claimed he was out of the loop as to the cluster that is the ACA website , which deals with his OWN FRELLING law.

He knew. He absolutely knew, and DID NOT CARE !! That shows you what a prick this man is.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 16, 2014 12:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Somehow, nobody is even talking about the wars anymore. ... They're still happening, don't you know?"

We're out of Iraq as of 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq Not sure if you've kept up with the news.




Yup. And we still have troops there, and just like we always Imperialistically do we will have Ambassadorships there from here till eternity.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/u-s-currently-fighting-74-diffe
rent-wars-that-it-publicly-admits.html


My favorite quote.....

Today US military operations are involved in scores of countries across all the five continents. The US military is the world’s largest landlord, with significant military facilities in nations around the world, and with a significant presence in Bahrain, Djibouti,Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, and Kyrgyzstan, in addition to long-established bases in Germany, Japan, South Korea, Italy, and the UK. Some of these are vast, such as the Al Udeid Air Force Base in Qatar, the forward headquarters of the United States Central Command, which has recently been expanded to accommodate up to 10,000 troops and 120 aircraft.[...].

I just find it pretty amusing that military spending hasn't decreased in any meaningful way in 6 years after all of the empty promises, and nobody is even talking about that at all, even though it was one of the biggest topics of dissension back then.

I really find it funny that most of you don't hate Obama now like most of us hated GWB 8 years ago.


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Sunday, February 16, 2014 12:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The Iraq War, which was LARGE expansion of US military action - after a burst of jingoistic patriotism - became deeply unpopular with the majority in the US. As a new attention-getting item and unpopular war, it was a focal point. All of Obama's military actions are just business as usual. I personally deeply disagree with them - and many other things - but since they're just the way things have been done for decades, they haven't gotten a lot of mass attention.


Do you think a republican would have expanded the military, reduced it, or kept it about the same?

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Monday, February 17, 2014 9:48 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Right-wingers are totally vested in the idea of an Obamacare collapse. They have no plan B, and their only answer to growing evidence that it’s not going to happen is furious denial.

If you’ve been tracking the news on signups under the Affordable Care Act – which is easy thanks to Charles Gaba’s invaluable site http://acasignups.net/ – you already knew that the program was making a pretty good recovery from the botched start. Now, however, it’s official http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/13/us/3-3-million-enrolled-in-health-ca
re-marketplaces-more-young-people-signing-up.html?hp&_r=0
as of the end of January signups were only about a million behind their projected track as of last spring, which means that as of March 31 the total is likely to be 6-point-something million rather than the projected 7 million. In other words, basically OK.



Unfortunately, there's no way except anecdotally to determine how many folks signing up on the exchanges already had insurance, since the site does not capture or track that data.

Here are some anecdotal figures.

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The Wall Street Journal in January detailed some of the surveys that have taken of people who obtained insurance through the exchanges, and the results so far indicate that the vast majority of enrollees were previously insured.

•Only 11 percent of consumers who bought new coverage under the law were previously uninsured, according to a McKinsey & Co. survey

•HealthMarkets Inc., an insurance agency that enrolled around 7,500 people in exchange plans, said 65 percent of its enrollees had prior coverage.

•At Michigan-based Priority Health, only 25 percent of more than 1,000 enrollees surveyed in plans that comply with the law were previously uninsured.



And about the Medicaid figures...

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Meanwhile, just last Avalere threw cold water on the 6.3 million Medicaid figure, estimating that only 1.1 to 1.8 million of the enrollees could be attributed to the Affordable Care Act. That estimate generated headlines, including a full report in The Washington Post that said it suggested “many of the people who have joined the program since the initiative’s rollout in October would have done so absent the law.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/02/10/durbins
-claim-that-10-million-now-have-health-insurance-because-of-obamacare
/


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, February 17, 2014 10:47 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


"Why would AURaptor distort the truth about something so easy to verify?" I thought to myself, so I did NOT play the video until this morning. D'oh! I thought I was Lisa Simpson and found out I'm gullible Homer. That makes AURaptor Mr Burns.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, February 17, 2014 3:52 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
"Why would AURaptor distort the truth about something so easy to verify?" I thought to myself, so I did NOT play the video until this morning. D'oh! I thought I was Lisa Simpson and found out I'm gullible Homer. That makes AURaptor Mr Burns.



I did not in any way distort the truth. Yes, the truth is easy to verify, yet you only take Obama , " Mr. LIE OF THE YEAR " at face value.

Why ?

Piont is, despite what he claims in your video, Obama DID know before hand, the site was not going to work. He couldn't NOT know.

This is nothing more than blaming Benghazi on a YouTube video for 2 weeks, and THEN telling Candy Crowley that he indeed called it " terrorism ", when in fact, he did no such thing.


There are FOUR lights, second. Always remember that.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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