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You forgot her wish that the Commie Fairies will bring her the rent she needs for her new apartment.

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I can agree with this one. Dodd-Frank is so complex it disadvantages smaller banks. I would also add: Have the government print its own money instead of borrowing it from The Fed (a private institution) and require 100% banking reserve. That would eliminate a lot of speculative lending.

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You forgot her wish that the Commie Fairies will bring her the rent she needs for her new apartment.

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Isn't that really the Socialist Fairy?

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1. Medicare for all.

Yes. But. It needs reform on how services are paid (I've been told that Medicare pays for each procedure eg "skin ulcer debridement", which doesn't reward doctors for treating the whole patient and root causes of disease eg "weight loss for diabetic control") plus it needs to be better-funded and it needs to negotiate better drug prices.

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1. Medicare for all.

Yes. But. It needs reform on how services are paid (I've been told that Medicare pays for each procedure eg "skin ulcer debridement", which doesn't reward doctors for treating the whole patient and root causes of disease eg "weight loss for diabetic control") plus it needs to be better-funded and it needs to negotiate better drug prices.

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Single Payer. With prices is big bold numbers for different procedures as if you were ordering an extra value meal at McDonalds too.

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2. Housing as a human right.

Not possible. How can the government possibly fund this during real estate bubbles?

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3. A Federal jobs guarantee.

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Universal registration.

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6. Immigration justice / abolish ICE. Good grief. Do you really want another exhaustive explanation how uncontrolled immigration is bad for us?

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To add to this, how do you think this list would have read if this one was at the top, right above free healthcare, housing and jobs for everybody?

... including Illegals.

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"Solidarity". What the hell does THAT mean? Either offer PR statehood or cut them loose (gently, over time).

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8. Mobilizing against climate change."Mobilizing". ANOTHER fudgeword! Climate change needs to be addressed, both to mitigate the causes and to brace for effects.

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Another bullshit feel good expression.

I'm totally on board with this though. I'd love to put solar up all over my house if it didn't cost a fortune for the panels still.

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9. Clean campaign finance.I've never seen campaign finance reform work. Instead, require broadcasters, web-casters, and printed media to donate a certain amount of time (or space) to each viable candidate, reverse Citizen's United, and get rid of political parties.

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Another bullshit wish here. Sure... we'd all love for this to happen. Hundreds and perhaps even thousands of politicians have promised it in the past to get elected. It will never happen. Never.

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10. Higher education For all. Why? Not everyone is college material. Not everyone "needs" a "higher" education. But people SHOULD be trained in either school or the trades.

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12. Support LGBTQIA+.
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14. Curb wall Street gambling: restore glass steagal.

I can agree with this one. Dodd-Frank is so complex it disadvantages smaller banks. I would also add: Have the government print its own money instead of borrowing it from The Fed (a private institution) and require 100% banking reserve. That would eliminate a lot of speculative lending.

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This last one could spawn hundreds of pages of desired reform.

My first would be 401k plans and how they siphon wages from the working class and contribute to companies always needing to up their bottom line by screwing workers just a little more every single year.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I'm in support of Trump's agenda. You go worry about it for us, T.

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We know Jack. That's because you too are a racist and you racists have to stick together. Is the caravan here yet.

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Hey, you guys know what white supremacist hate more than Jews, Polaks. Who here fits that description? kiki and sig to name two. Who loves the Polak hater Trump, kiki and sig to name two.

Fucking dummies

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OK, I think problem fixed. That's because the closed bracket was the very last character on that line, and if your post begins right after that it tends to bonk your entry IIRC.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Oh... and to go further into why this happens, I usually remove Sig's signature line because it ends in a link and screws everything else up.

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Fucking brown nationalists, huh?

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After that thorough rout, Democrats have all the power and all the responsibility No matter what happens, change is on the horizon.

Having decimated the Colorado Republican party in the midterm elections, Democrats are now firmly in control of every branch of state government. They don’t need a single Republican to accomplish their goals, and Republicans can’t pass a single bill without significant help from the Democrats.

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/11/23/after-that-thorough-rout-democra
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OMFG.
THUGR.
What in god's name does your post have to do with Ocasio-Cortez?

ASIDE FROM the fact that you seem to have completely misinterpreted the article: Do you pick WHERE you post at random? Throw darts at a dart-board, or something?

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After that thorough rout, Democrats have all the power and all the responsibility No matter what happens, change is on the horizon.

Having decimated the Colorado Republican party in the midterm elections, Democrats are now firmly in control of every branch of state government. They don’t need a single Republican to accomplish their goals, and Republicans can’t pass a single bill without significant help from the Democrats.

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/11/23/after-that-thorough-rout-democra
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Poor T. His limited reading skills got him all excited when he "read" this and thought it was on the national level.

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Did you read it dummy? It says Colorado in the paragraph I quoted. Stupid is as stupid does. Or in your case, no reading comprehension, hey dummy.

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Hey, you guys know what white supremacist hate more than Jews, Polaks. Who here fits that description? kiki and sig to name two. Who loves the Polak hater Trump, kiki and sig to name two.

Fucking dummies

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After that thorough rout, Democrats have all the power and all the responsibility No matter what happens, change is on the horizon.

Having decimated the Colorado Republican party in the midterm elections, Democrats are now firmly in control of every branch of state government. They don’t need a single Republican to accomplish their goals, and Republicans can’t pass a single bill without significant help from the Democrats.

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/11/23/after-that-thorough-rout-democra
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Did you read it dummy? It says Colorado in the paragraph I quoted. Stupid is as stupid does. Or in your case, no reading comprehension, hey dummy.

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After that thorough rout, Democrats have all the power and all the responsibility No matter what happens, change is on the horizon.

Having decimated the Colorado Republican party in the midterm elections, Democrats are now firmly in control of every branch of state government. They don’t need a single Republican to accomplish their goals, and Republicans can’t pass a single bill without significant help from the Democrats.

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/11/23/after-that-thorough-rout-democra
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Did you read it dummy? It says Colorado in the paragraph I quoted. Stupid is as stupid does. Or in your case, no reading comprehension, hey dummy.

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National party operatives frightened by Donald Trump’s eight-point win in 2016 and equally dreadful midterm election results this month have begun to consider writing off the once-indisputable battleground state, no longer confident it is worthy of substantial investment in future elections.

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We know this because Kyle Kondik, managing editor of Sabato’s Crystal Ball, a weekly politics newsletter published by the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics, looked at presidential elections dating back to 1896 and found that no state had a higher percentage of picking the winner – 28 of 30, for 93 percent.

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After that thorough rout, Democrats have all the power and all the responsibility No matter what happens, change is on the horizon.

Having decimated the Colorado Republican party in the midterm elections, Democrats are now firmly in control of every branch of state government. They don’t need a single Republican to accomplish their goals, and Republicans can’t pass a single bill without significant help from the Democrats.

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/11/23/after-that-thorough-rout-democra
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Did you read it dummy? It says Colorado in the paragraph I quoted. Stupid is as stupid does. Or in your case, no reading comprehension, hey dummy.

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I read it. It's meaningless to anybody outside of Colorado, and doesn't hold any bearing in this thread at all.

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So dummy, according to your logic Ocalio Cortez's district in New York’s 14th Congressional District, which includes the eastern Bronx and northern Queens, is not relevant or important to anyone outside her district. Yet here you are discussing her and her politics.

You, discussing a single district in New York as though it is important while insisting the democrats routing the republican party in the entire state of Colorado is meaningless to anyone other than people residing in the state. More Jack, more proof of your stupidity.

Wow Jack wow, you are stupid.

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SIGNYM: Yes. But. It needs reform on how services are paid (I've been told that Medicare pays for each procedure eg "skin ulcer debridement", which doesn't reward doctors for treating the whole patient and root causes of disease eg "weight loss for diabetic control") plus it needs to be better-funded and it needs to negotiate better drug prices.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Single Payer. With prices is big bold numbers for different procedures as if you were ordering an extra value meal at McDonald's too.
1kiki: I agree single-payer, with medical personnel including doctors receiving a yearly salary instead of getting reimbursed by piecework; and vigorous drug price negotiations. As it is now, doctors are 'upcoding' (your hacking cough becomes viral pneumonia and asthma with the stroke of a pen) in order to get reimbursed to the level they think is necessary. I don't think prices matter in terms of usage either. One of the things that is sinking 'Obamacare' is simply the scale of unmet need which is driving usage. Even shoveling healthy young'uns and their premiums into the system couldn't create enough income to offset the burden of existing need. I don't see single-payer reducing usage rates until most people have had their medical issues either resolved or turned into unremarkable chronically managed items.
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SIGNYM: Not possible. How can the government possibly fund this during real estate bubbles?
6IXSTRINGJACK: Maybe we should ask Putin?
1kiki: Do you have an 'in' with him?

6IXSTRINGJACK: Nah. I'm the Nazi here, remember? I only speak to Hitler's ghost. Thought maybe G had a direct line to Putin since he's an actual Communist now.

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SIGNYM: Great!! FUNDING???
6IXSTRINGJACK: Maybe we should ask Putin?
1kiki: How about we re-purpose the army?

6IXSTRINGJACK: Maybe. I think Halliburton/Blackwater or whatever they're calling themselves today would put a hit out on anybody involved in that though, regardless of party affiliation.

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SIGNYM: Universal registration.
JEWELSTAITEFAN: Register every single Steak Knife, Box Cutter, Musket? I don't believe registering Cannon would even withstand the Michigan State Constitution.
6IXSTRINGJACK: I disagree. And so will millions of Americans who preserve their right to bear arms in the case our government becomes tyrannical.
Guns aren't the problem. There were tons of guns around before all these shootings started happening. I'd start looking into pharmaceuticals first if the actual end result that the government wants to see is the shootings to stop.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Don't want to wade in these waters Kiki?

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SIGNYM: This I can agree with.
6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm 100% on board with this, and I have been for many, many years.
1kiki: At least stop using the jails as drug addict warehouses! And yeah, ge jails out of corporate hands.

6IXSTRINGJACK: You should watch the show "Maron". One of the funniest bits I've ever seen was a slow pan out from a correctional officer's belt as comedian Marc Maron was talking to an "Indian" employee at his cable company trying to get his internet fixed and he was becoming extremely irate. The whole time it was panning out you started seeing the orange jumpsuits of a bunch of guys sitting down on the phones. The "Indian" that Maron was talking to was actually a really fat white prisoner pretending he had an Indian accent, and when he hung up the phone he said "Man, what a dick" in plain English.

It would not surprise me at all if this were happening and they were actually outsourcing jobs back to the US and having prisoners do it for pennies on the dollar for commissary bucks and early release guarantees.

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SIGNYM: Good grief. Do you really want another exhaustive explanation how uncontrolled immigration is bad for us?
6IXSTRINGJACK: To add to this, how do you think this list would have read if this one was at the top, right above free healthcare, housing and jobs for everybody?
... including Illegals.
1kiki: what DOES she mean by 'justice', one wonders cynically.

6IXSTRINGJACK: I've got a few guesses...

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SIGNYM: "Solidarity". What the hell does THAT mean? Either offer PR statehood or cut them loose (gently, over time).
6IXSTRINGJACK: This doesn't mean anything. It's a feel good buzz word. Puerto Rico is largely in control if they're going to be a state or not. They never pushed for it before because they have the best of both worlds. I don't believe they want statehood now either, but they'll bitch and moan and cry racism when we don't save their non-tax-paying asses when disaster strikes.
1kiki: This is just like the meaningless crap that made up the DNC 'democratic' platform.

6IXSTRINGJACK: Yup.

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6IXSTRINGJACK: Another bullshit feel good expression.
I'm totally on board with this though. I'd love to put solar up all over my house if it didn't cost a fortune for the panels still.
1kiki: priority #2 on my list, after not nuking the planet.

6IXSTRINGJACK: Eventually it will happen... When we run out of coal and oil.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN: Sounds like the old Equal Time Doctrine,where the Liberal candidate gets 24/7 unpaid support and endorsements while any other candidate needed to pay in 15 second increments for " equal Time" in the media.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Another bullshit wish here. Sure... we'd all love for this to happen. Hundreds and perhaps even thousands of politicians have promised it in the past to get elected. It will never happen. Never.
1kiki: I'd say the first thing would be to require broadcasters in a county (for example) to require free broadcasting of debates to the top 100/10,000 signature getters.

6IXSTRINGJACK: My brother's mentioned this before. Not a bad idea, but the Murdochs and Griffens would probably put a hit out on anybody involved in making this happen.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN: What other purpose do we have for College Grads who cannot read or write or add or multiply? The whole reason for Dept of Educamation is to provide 8 years worth of training in only 16 years of schooling.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Oh... more communist freebies?
1kiki: The problem is thee are just not enough jobs for people who either go to college or get trained in some vocation. Our job base has been hollowed out of those, and filled with jobs that require one to ask - do you want fries with that?

6IXSTRINGJACK: Yup. Glad I made it work for me, but I'm one of the lucky ones.

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12. Support LGBTQIA+.
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SIGNYM: Equal rights for everyone. Calling out specific right for some leaves the impression that others will be denied theirs.
JEWELSTAITEFAN: The Wisconsin Special Rights Act of 1986 worked out well enough, it made Madison the Gay & Lesbian Capital of the World within only 2 years, and got heterosexuals thrown into the hoosgow.
6IXSTRINGJACK: 100% Agree.
1kiki: It should be simple enough to support.

6IXSTRINGJACK: One wonders how the Democrats have made Egalitarianism a bad word in 2018.

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SIGNYM: I can agree with this one. Dodd-Frank is so complex it disadvantages smaller banks. I would also add: Have the government print its own money instead of borrowing it from The Fed (a private institution) and require 100% banking reserve. That would eliminate a lot of speculative lending.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Agreed.
This last one could spawn hundreds of pages of desired reform.
My first would be 401k plans and how they siphon wages from the working class and contribute to companies always needing to up their bottom line by screwing workers just a little more every single year.
1kiki: definitely

6IXSTRINGJACK: Yup, but the Rocafellers and the McCormicks would probably put a hit out on anybody involved in making this happen.

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6IXSTRINGJACK: Single Payer. With prices is big bold numbers for different procedures as if you were ordering an extra value meal at McDonald's too.
1kiki: I agree single-payer, with medical personnel including doctors receiving a yearly salary instead of getting reimbursed by piecework; and vigorous drug price negotiations. As it is now, doctors are 'upcoding' (your hacking cough becomes viral pneumonia and asthma with the stroke of a pen) in order to get reimbursed to the level they think is necessary. I don't think prices matter in terms of usage either. One of the things that is sinking 'Obamacare' is simply the scale of unmet need which is driving usage. Even shoveling healthy young'uns and their premiums into the system couldn't create enough income to offset the burden of existing need. I don't see single-payer reducing usage rates until most people have had their medical issues either resolved or turned into unremarkable chronically managed items.

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6IXSTRINGJACK: Maybe we should ask Putin?
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6IXSTRINGJACK: Maybe we should ask Putin?
1kiki: How about we re-purpose the army?

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SIGNYM: Universal registration.
JEWELSTAITEFAN: Register every single Steak Knife, Box Cutter, Musket? I don't believe registering Cannon would even withstand the Michigan State Constitution.
6IXSTRINGJACK: I disagree. And so will millions of Americans who preserve their right to bear arms in the case our government becomes tyrannical.
Guns aren't the problem. There were tons of guns around before all these shootings started happening. I'd start looking into pharmaceuticals first if the actual end result that the government wants to see is the shootings to stop.

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SIGNYM: This I can agree with.
6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm 100% on board with this, and I have been for many, many years.
1kiki: At least stop using the jails as drug addict warehouses! And yeah, ge jails out of corporate hands.

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6IXSTRINGJACK: To add to this, how do you think this list would have read if this one was at the top, right above free healthcare, housing and jobs for everybody?
... including Illegals.
1kiki: what DOES she mean by 'justice', one wonders cynically.

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7. Solidarity with Puerto Rico.

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SIGNYM: "Solidarity". What the hell does THAT mean? Either offer PR statehood or cut them loose (gently, over time).
6IXSTRINGJACK: This doesn't mean anything. It's a feel good buzz word. Puerto Rico is largely in control if they're going to be a state or not. They never pushed for it before because they have the best of both worlds. I don't believe they want statehood now either, but they'll bitch and moan and cry racism when we don't save their non-tax-paying asses when disaster strikes.
1kiki: This is just like the meaningless crap that made up the DNC 'democratic' platform.

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8. Mobilizing against climate change.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN: Won't Mobilizing cause more pollution?
SIGNYM: "Mobilizing". ANOTHER fudgeword! Climate change needs to be addressed, both to mitigate the causes and to brace for effects.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Another bullshit feel good expression.
I'm totally on board with this though. I'd love to put solar up all over my house if it didn't cost a fortune for the panels still.
1kiki: priority #2 on my list, after not nuking the planet.

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9. Clean campaign finance.

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SIGNYM: I've never seen campaign finance reform work. Instead, require broadcasters, web-casters, and printed media to donate a certain amount of time (or space) to each viable candidate, reverse Citizen's United, and get rid of political parties.
JEWELSTAITEFAN: Sounds like the old Equal Time Doctrine,where the Liberal candidate gets 24/7 unpaid support and endorsements while any other candidate needed to pay in 15 second increments for " equal Time" in the media.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Another bullshit wish here. Sure... we'd all love for this to happen. Hundreds and perhaps even thousands of politicians have promised it in the past to get elected. It will never happen. Never.
1kiki: I'd say the first thing would be to require broadcasters in a county (for example) to require free broadcasting of debates to the top 100/10,000 signature getters.

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10. Higher education For all.

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SIGNYM: Why? Not everyone is college material. Not everyone "needs" a "higher" education. But people SHOULD be trained in either school or the trades.
JEWELSTAITEFAN: What other purpose do we have for College Grads who cannot read or write or add or multiply? The whole reason for Dept of Educamation is to provide 8 years worth of training in only 16 years of schooling.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Oh... more communist freebies?
1kiki: The problem is thee are just not enough jobs for people who either go to college or get trained in some vocation. Our job base has been hollowed out of those, and filled with jobs that require one to ask - do you want fries with that?

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11. Women's rights.
12. Support LGBTQIA+.
13. Support seniors.

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SIGNYM: Equal rights for everyone. Calling out specific right for some leaves the impression that others will be denied theirs.
JEWELSTAITEFAN: The Wisconsin Special Rights Act of 1986 worked out well enough, it made Madison the Gay & Lesbian Capital of the World within only 2 years, and got heterosexuals thrown into the hoosgow.
6IXSTRINGJACK: 100% Agree.
1kiki: It should be simple enough to support.

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14. Curb wall Street gambling: restore glass steagal.

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SIGNYM: I can agree with this one. Dodd-Frank is so complex it disadvantages smaller banks. I would also add: Have the government print its own money instead of borrowing it from The Fed (a private institution) and require 100% banking reserve. That would eliminate a lot of speculative lending.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Agreed.
This last one could spawn hundreds of pages of desired reform.
My first would be 401k plans and how they siphon wages from the working class and contribute to companies always needing to up their bottom line by screwing workers just a little more every single year.
1kiki: definitely

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To restart an actual topical discussion after the thread got turned into THUGGER's personal crap-hole:

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1. Medicare for all.

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SIGNYM: Yes. But. It needs reform on how services are paid (I've been told that Medicare pays for each procedure eg "skin ulcer debridement", which doesn't reward doctors for treating the whole patient and root causes of disease eg "weight loss for diabetic control") plus it needs to be better-funded and it needs to negotiate better drug prices.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Single Payer. With prices is big bold numbers for different procedures as if you were ordering an extra value meal at McDonald's too.
1kiki: I agree single-payer, with medical personnel including doctors receiving a yearly salary instead of getting reimbursed by piecework; and vigorous drug price negotiations. As it is now, doctors are 'upcoding' (your hacking cough becomes viral pneumonia and asthma with the stroke of a pen) in order to get reimbursed to the level they think is necessary. I don't think prices matter in terms of usage either. One of the things that is sinking 'Obamacare' is simply the scale of unmet need which is driving usage. Even shoveling healthy young'uns and their premiums into the system couldn't create enough income to offset the burden of existing need. I don't see single-payer reducing usage rates until most people have had their medical issues either resolved or turned into unremarkable chronically managed items.

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2. Housing as a human right.

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SIGNYM: Not possible. How can the government possibly fund this during real estate bubbles?
6IXSTRINGJACK: Maybe we should ask Putin?
1kiki: Do you have an 'in' with him?

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3. A Federal jobs guarantee.

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SIGNYM: Great!! FUNDING???
6IXSTRINGJACK: Maybe we should ask Putin?
1kiki: How about we re-purpose the army?

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SIGNYM: Universal registration.
JEWELSTAITEFAN: Register every single Steak Knife, Box Cutter, Musket? I don't believe registering Cannon would even withstand the Michigan State Constitution.
6IXSTRINGJACK: I disagree. And so will millions of Americans who preserve their right to bear arms in the case our government becomes tyrannical.
Guns aren't the problem. There were tons of guns around before all these shootings started happening. I'd start looking into pharmaceuticals first if the actual end result that the government wants to see is the shootings to stop.

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5. Criminal Justice Reform, end private prisons.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN: This one I can get behind.
SIGNYM: This I can agree with.
6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm 100% on board with this, and I have been for many, many years.
1kiki: At least stop using the jails as drug addict warehouses! And yeah, ge jails out of corporate hands.

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6. Immigration justice / abolish ICE.

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SIGNYM: Good grief. Do you really want another exhaustive explanation how uncontrolled immigration is bad for us?
6IXSTRINGJACK: To add to this, how do you think this list would have read if this one was at the top, right above free healthcare, housing and jobs for everybody?
... including Illegals.
1kiki: what DOES she mean by 'justice', one wonders cynically.

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7. Solidarity with Puerto Rico.

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SIGNYM: "Solidarity". What the hell does THAT mean? Either offer PR statehood or cut them loose (gently, over time).
6IXSTRINGJACK: This doesn't mean anything. It's a feel good buzz word. Puerto Rico is largely in control if they're going to be a state or not. They never pushed for it before because they have the best of both worlds. I don't believe they want statehood now either, but they'll bitch and moan and cry racism when we don't save their non-tax-paying asses when disaster strikes.
1kiki: This is just like the meaningless crap that made up the DNC 'democratic' platform.

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8. Mobilizing against climate change.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN: Won't Mobilizing cause more pollution?
SIGNYM: "Mobilizing". ANOTHER fudgeword! Climate change needs to be addressed, both to mitigate the causes and to brace for effects.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Another bullshit feel good expression.
I'm totally on board with this though. I'd love to put solar up all over my house if it didn't cost a fortune for the panels still.
1kiki: priority #2 on my list, after not nuking the planet.

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9. Clean campaign finance.

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SIGNYM: I've never seen campaign finance reform work. Instead, require broadcasters, web-casters, and printed media to donate a certain amount of time (or space) to each viable candidate, reverse Citizen's United, and get rid of political parties.
JEWELSTAITEFAN: Sounds like the old Equal Time Doctrine,where the Liberal candidate gets 24/7 unpaid support and endorsements while any other candidate needed to pay in 15 second increments for " equal Time" in the media.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Another bullshit wish here. Sure... we'd all love for this to happen. Hundreds and perhaps even thousands of politicians have promised it in the past to get elected. It will never happen. Never.
1kiki: I'd say the first thing would be to require broadcasters in a county (for example) to require free broadcasting of debates to the top 100/10,000 signature getters.

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10. Higher education For all.

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SIGNYM: Why? Not everyone is college material. Not everyone "needs" a "higher" education. But people SHOULD be trained in either school or the trades.
JEWELSTAITEFAN: What other purpose do we have for College Grads who cannot read or write or add or multiply? The whole reason for Dept of Educamation is to provide 8 years worth of training in only 16 years of schooling.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Oh... more communist freebies?
1kiki: The problem is thee are just not enough jobs for people who either go to college or get trained in some vocation. Our job base has been hollowed out of those, and filled with jobs that require one to ask - do you want fries with that?

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The Department of Educamation has made so much improvement in re-education that a College Degree has been required in MA to work at McDonald's.
Remember, 70% of today's College Graduates cannot pass a test to graduate the 8th Grade from 1895.
And if there are not enough jobs, then why did everybody just vote against jobs in the election? Why are Dems campaigning against jobs, campaigning to get rid of jobs? AO-C is the spokesbimbo for the party that hates jobs and works against having more jobs - such comprehension does not compute.

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11. Women's rights.
12. Support LGBTQIA+.
13. Support seniors.

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SIGNYM: Equal rights for everyone. Calling out specific right for some leaves the impression that others will be denied theirs.
JEWELSTAITEFAN: The Wisconsin Special Rights Act of 1986 worked out well enough, it made Madison the Gay & Lesbian Capital of the World within only 2 years, and got heterosexuals thrown into the hoosgow.
6IXSTRINGJACK: 100% Agree.
1kiki: It should be simple enough to support.

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14. Curb wall Street gambling: restore glass steagal.

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SIGNYM: I can agree with this one. Dodd-Frank is so complex it disadvantages smaller banks. I would also add: Have the government print its own money instead of borrowing it from The Fed (a private institution) and require 100% banking reserve. That would eliminate a lot of speculative lending.
6IXSTRINGJACK: Agreed.
This last one could spawn hundreds of pages of desired reform.
My first would be 401k plans and how they siphon wages from the working class and contribute to companies always needing to up their bottom line by screwing workers just a little more every single year.
1kiki: definitely

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In practical terms, no, I don't believe that there's a political mechanism for universal gun registration.

But if we want to solve our extreme murder rate, I do believe we need to reduce the number of guns, and equally, create a society that works to more equitably benefit its members.

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