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Nobody cares about Russia or Ukraine

POSTED BY: 6IXSTRINGJACK
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Monday, April 4, 2022 4:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Stop posting about it.

What are Democrats doing to fix the mess they've created?

That's all anybody is going to care about this year.

Nobody gives a shit what rich white Democrats think or say anymore.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 5:22 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


They do, Russia has Nuclear weapons same reason why people pay attention to Kim Jong-un and his own hissy fits. Russia might not have the best military but its strong enough with nukes to wreck a smaller nation and causes mass havoc and mayhem and death, Russia's militray might have been hyped but it is still dangerous, death its what armies do.

Ruskies supply a lot of stuff to Europe, material, natural gas, oil etc It jacks prices up and force Europeans into a panic to buy elsewhere and can hit the already damaged world economy supply and trade. There are a whole lot of nations that won't fully sanction Russia, there are lots of non-NATO nations from Africa, South America, South East Asia, India, Pakistan, Iran, the Middle East...perhaps the world's political balance is shifting?

There is a Hunter Biden thing, a laptop cover up and possible Ukraine links

Pictures and film of refugees and women and babies, groups fleeing with the clothes on their backs always has people 'caring'

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 7:18 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
They do, Russia has Nuclear weapons same reason why people pay attention to Kim Jong-un and his own hissy fits. Russia might not have the best military but its strong enough with nukes to wreck a smaller nation and causes mass havoc and mayhem and death, Russia's militray might have been hyped but it is still dangerous, death its what armies do.

Why scared of Russia? The military that has destroyed more nations and killed more people in unprovoked attacks has been...

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Ruskies supply a lot of stuff to Europe, material, natural gas, oil etc It jacks prices up
No. Russia has NOT jacked up prices. I'm disappointe in you, JAYNZE, you're usually knowledgeable.
European countries decided a few years ago that they didn't want to be in longterm contracts anymore bc they felt they were paying too much. They wanted to be in the spot market. So they either let their long-term contracts lapse, or (in Poland's case) take Russia to court to break their long term contracts.
Also, the EU started playing games, first with South Stream and then with North Stream II. Sorry to say, but high gas prices are entirely the EUs fault.

And then sanctioning Russia and trying to destroy the ruble has caused such finacial and economic instability that other prices have alos gone up (helped along by the USAs eay money policy.)

There are reasons to care about what Russia does, but generally speaking, if the west had't been trying on such a persistent basis to fuck Russia over since 1990 Russia wouldn't be doing what it is doing today. And I take SIX's point: what good does it do to torpedo your own economy bc of a pointless itch to regime-change Russia? Let's take care of our own problems first, OK?


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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 5:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Just a daily reminder that nobody cares about Russia or Ukraine.



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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 6:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I care a lot more about what Biden* is doing.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 6:58 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I care a lot more about what Biden* is doing.




Wasn’t it great how he got the US out of Afghanistan? I don’t recall you having any positive comments on that incredible accomplishment…

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 7:16 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No. Russia has NOT jacked up prices. I'm disappointe in you, JAYNZE, you're usually knowledgeable.

March 16 (Reuters) - Annual inflation in Russia accelerated to 12.54% as of March 11, its highest since late 2015 and up from 10.42% a week earlier, the economy ministry . . .
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-inflation-accelerates-125
-highest-since-2015-2022-03-16
/

March 30 (Reuters) - Annual inflation in Russia accelerated to 15.66% as of March 25, its highest since September 2015 and up from 14.53% a week earlier, the economy ministry said on Wednesday . . .
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/inflation-russia-climbs-above
-156-highest-since-september-2015-2022-03-30
/

Very disappointed in you, Signym.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 9:39 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I care a lot more about what Biden* is doing.




Wasn’t it great how he got the US out of Afghanistan? I don’t recall you having any positive comments on that incredible accomplishment…



I actually did. Botched exit strategy aside, I said it will be the one single thing Biden* will be able to hang his hat on.

That has long since been erased. Doesn't matter one single bit when you exit one neverending unconstitutional war just to go right ahead and start another one less than a year later.


Meanwhile, a majority of the Democrat base is getting creamed by Democrat inflicted inflation.

You know who cares even less about Russia and Ukraine than "uneducated" white dudes like me, Cap'n?

Nearly every single "person of color" or young person of any color that doesn't hold a high paying job.

Congratulations. The Democrat party has become the party of rich white people and their token minorities.


After years of becoming the pro-war and pro-censorship party it's finally come full circle. You're now everything that you used to hate.



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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 10:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I care a lot more about what Biden* is doing.



Here's what Biden* is doing.

Being ignored by everyone in his own house.





Oh... and having the entire Legacy Media turn against him too.


Meanwhile, you should probably stop worrying at all about what Biden* is doing. He's a fucking joke. He was always a fucking joke. And now that the Democrat politicians and Legacy Media are admitting what we already knew, I'd be worried about what their plan is going forward.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2022 2:11 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just a daily reminder that nobody cares about Russia or Ukraine.



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The war footage and witness reports of civilian slaughter, mass graves, rapes, and torture of children have no impact on you? Wowzers!

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Wednesday, April 6, 2022 2:16 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

I care a lot more about what Biden* is doing.


It's rather simple :

.. His unimaginable ineptitude has brought the world to the brink of nuclear war.

.. His reckless stupidity has brought America to the brink of economic collapse.

That's all. Case closed.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2022 9:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The war footage and witness reports of civilian slaughter, mass graves, rapes, and torture of children have no impact on you? Wowzers!



It's a multi-billion dollar production. Smoke and mirrors.

It's all bullshit. Just like Covid was.

It's an excuse for Democrats to blame all of their terrible policy failures on while they rape The People.


Fucking Neo-Con goons like Hannity love it too. Gotta feed the war machine.


You're goddamned right it has no impact on me.

Even if it were all real, it's none of our fucking business.

We get out of one "Forever War", just to be thrust into another one. Meanwhile, The People see everything they've made for themselves get flushed down the toilet.

I don't give one single shit about Ukraine's border. WE DON'T EVEN TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN!!!

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Thursday, April 7, 2022 3:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Your daily reminder that nobody gives a shit about Russia or Ukraine.

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Saturday, April 9, 2022 7:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Your daily reminder that nobody gives a shit about Russia or Ukraine.

Your daily reminder that nobody gives a shit about Russia or Ukraine.

Apparently I cared so little that I missed yesterday.

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Saturday, April 9, 2022 10:47 AM

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Finland and Sweden could soon join NATO, prompted by Russian war in Ukraine. There is nothing but a shortage of Russian tanks, crew members, and NATO stopping Putin from tomorrow invading Finland, Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, etc.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/politics/finland-sweden-nato-membership
/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, April 9, 2022 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Just a daily reminder that nobody cares about Russia or Ukraine.



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The war footage and witness reports of civilian slaughter, mass graves, rapes, and torture of children have no impact on you? Wowzers!





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Saturday, April 9, 2022 12:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Just a daily reminder that nobody cares about Russia or Ukraine.



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The war footage and witness reports of civilian slaughter, mass graves, rapes, and torture of children have no impact on you? Wowzers!





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Idiot Ted follows up Jong's post with a cartoon because idiot Ted is an idiot.

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Sunday, April 10, 2022 11:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Your daily reminder that nobody gives a shit about Russia or Ukraine.

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Monday, April 11, 2022 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your daily reminder that nobody gives a shit about Russia or Ukraine.

Russia, a society which has wallowed in evil but is unwilling to face the truth about its own past, let alone confess and repent it, is condemned to offend again.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, April 11, 2022 10:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Your daily reminder that nobody gives a shit about Russia or Ukraine.


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Tuesday, April 12, 2022 8:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Other people's shit to do today. No more time to waste on the morons here or their obsession with things that don't matter, I'm afraid.

Since I don't know when I'll be back I'll just leave you with this sage piece of advice in my absence:

Nobody gives a shit about Russia or Ukraine.



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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 8:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Saturday, April 16, 2022 10:16 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nope.

Nobody cares still.



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Saturday, April 16, 2022 1:26 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nope.

Nobody cares still.

Another example where nobody cared at first:

So in 1938 (2022) Hitler (Putin) was furious because of how the German (Russian) speaking people living in the Sudetes (Donbass) region were treated by the Czechs (Ukrainians). So, instead of looking for a diplomatic solution to the problem, he decided to invade Czechoslovakia (Ukraine) supported by Italian (Belarusian) dictator Mussolini (Lukashenko).

We know 1938 was the beginning. Toward the end, 1945, more people were caring. I wonder why those people flipped from not caring? Must have been over gasoline prices, or something.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/24/opinion/putins-hitler-like-tric
ks-tactics-ukraine
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, April 16, 2022 9:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Shut up, idiot.

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Monday, April 18, 2022 12:13 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Human nature with our thoughts and feelings are strange and mysterious things. A month ago I was all up on the goings on in Ukraine. I felt anger against Russia and empathy for Ukrainians. But you get numb to the destruction and human suffering after a while I guess. I haven't watched anything about it in weeks. I suppose I may have to answer for that indifference someday.

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Monday, April 18, 2022 9:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Human nature with our thoughts and feelings are strange and mysterious things. A month ago I was all up on the goings on in Ukraine. I felt anger against Russia and empathy for Ukrainians. But you get numb to the destruction and human suffering after a while I guess. I haven't watched anything about it in weeks. I suppose I may have to answer for that indifference someday.



Don't feel bad. I've been indifferent from the start.

But that's because I don't believe a single thing the well-paid liars at CNN, MSNBC or FOX News have to say about anything.

This fake war, brought to you by Pfizer.

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Tuesday, April 19, 2022 10:24 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yup. Nobody cares still.

Expect coverage of this "war" to decline rapidly since everybody is tuning out of it.

The only people who did give a shit about it in the first place are easily led idiots who always believe everything that they're told and the virtue signaler NPCs.

Though not absolute, there is a huge overlap of the two.

I made a handy Venn Diagram to explain this concept to Ted, since Ted is retarded and can only think in pictures.






Let us be grateful that only about 4% of Americans pay any attention to the Cable News outlets on any given day.

Social Media, on the other hand, is a great cause for concern.

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Wednesday, April 20, 2022 10:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL

Not one single story about Russia/Ukraine on RCP's front page today. Nope...

Let's see... Illegal Invaders, Biden fucking up Tax Season, Biden fucking up our Economy, The fall of BLM and how anti-police measures have led to more crime against blacks and Latinos, Obama and Biden empowering terrorist networks in Syria, Netflix losing subscribers, Jon Stewarts show is a flop, Elon musk and Twitter, WaPo doxxing LibsOfTikTok.

I guess the Legacy Media is finally figuring out what I knew from the start.


Inflation is still killing people, Joe*. Whatever are you going to blame it on now that people don't' give a shit about Russia and Ukraine?

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Thursday, April 21, 2022 8:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Two days in a row and not one single story on RCP about Russia/Ukraine.

Nobody gives a shit. Nobody really ever did.

I'm right again. Imagine that, huh?

So what are you fuckin' idiots going to glom on to and obsess over next?



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Thursday, April 21, 2022 10:12 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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So what are you fuckin' idiots going to glom on to and obsess over next?



I've been quite busy lately obsessing over Dua Lipa's smokin' hot bod.

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Thursday, April 21, 2022 11:41 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Human nature with our thoughts and feelings are strange and mysterious things. A month ago I was all up on the goings on in Ukraine. I felt anger against Russia and empathy for Ukrainians. But you get numb to the destruction and human suffering after a while I guess. I haven't watched anything about it in weeks. I suppose I may have to answer for that indifference someday.



Yup. It's damn near impossible (and probably not healthy) to maintain that level of disgust. Putin is a sick fck - that's not ever going away. And at this point I don't care if he fcks his entire country. I still think he's trying to show up MBS with how brutal he could be to a whole s-ton of people. The ultimate power - one rat fck flipping the world off because he can, and knowing there's little anyone will do about it.
Not too much has changed, anyway. Takes any news source about 60 seconds to cover any changes, then it goes on repeat. I found myself wondering if game developers have started to write the game script yet, or if they've sent graphic team over to get photos for environment mapping. Will they include elements of war crimes? Have to.

How the world ends: China fcks up and *releases* a worse virus, or angry toddler Putin gets bored and starts dropping nukes.

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Thursday, April 21, 2022 5:30 PM

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Putin’s Hunger for Money

Why Bill Browder, formerly one of Russia’s biggest investors, thinks the war in Ukraine is all about money.

https://slate.com/podcasts/what-next/2022/04/putin-ukraine-war-money

Putin has tried assassinating Bill Browder because he knows too much about Putin and has successfully lobbied Congress and 33 other countries to harass Putin for being a thief. This is a podcast, but here is the transcript:

S1: Bill Browder wanted to make lots of money, but not for the usual reasons.

S2: It was a strange motivation. I. I come from an unusual American family. My grandfather was the head of the Communist Party of America, and my father was a left wing, left leaning professor. And so in my teenage rebellion, I decided to put on a suit and tie and become a capitalist to upset my family.

S1: He went to Stanford Business School and he happened to graduate the same year that the Berlin Wall got torn down.

S2: And I had this epiphany one day, which is that if my grandfather was the biggest communist in America and the Berlin Wall has come down, I’m going to become the biggest capitalist in Russia. And that’s what I set out to do.

S1: He eventually did just that. Over about a decade, Browder made billions and became the largest foreign investor in Russia by buying up cheap shares in newly privatized, wildly corrupt Russian companies. His strategy was to expose the companies' corruption and then watch their valuations rise as they went legit. This worked great for a while until powerful people in Russia, in particular, Vladimir Putin, decided they didn’t want Browder shining a spotlight on them and getting rich in the process. In 2005, Browder got booted from Russia permanently. Not long after, Browder’s lawyer, a Russian named Sergei Magnitsky, who helped Browder expose corruption, was arrested, jailed, tortured and eventually killed by Russian authorities. Browder has since made it his life’s calling to avenge Magnitsky’s death. Along the way, he’s become such a thorn in Putin’s side that the Russian president took a moment during a 2018 Helsinki press conference with President Trump to suggest that America should hand Browder over to Russian authorities.

S2: For instance, we can bring up the mister Mr. Browder in this particular case.

S1: President Trump had no objection to that plan. I think that’s.

S2: An incredible offer. Thank you. I thought, my God, the most powerful man in the free world. President of the United States. Trump was offering to hand me over and I expected that, you know, any moment for blacked out Suburbans from the Department of Homeland Security would pull up and grab me and put me on a rendition flight to Moscow. And I would then be tortured for a while to get me to confess to various crimes I didn’t commit. And then after they got those confessions, they would then kill me.

S1: For years, Bill Browder has been telling the world that Vladimir Putin and his oligarchs are a scourge on humanity. But a lot of the world didn’t pay much heed until Putin invaded Ukraine.

S2: I would say that I’m beyond furious. I believe that if governments, Western governments, the U.S. government, the British government, the European Union had been tougher on Putin for all sorts of terrible things that he did, that he might have had a different calculation about doing this unbelievably sadistic mass murder of Ukrainian civilians.

S1: Today on the show, Bill Browder got an early up close look at the evil Vladimir Putin could do. What does he think Putin with his back against the wall will do next? I’m Seth Stevenson filling in for Mary Harris. You’re listening to What Next? Stick around. The murder of Bill Browder lawyer Sergei Magnitsky in 2009 has been the catalyst for Browder’s activism against Russian elites for years. Magnitsky came to the attention of the Russian state when he uncovered a scheme that funneled hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes that Browder had paid away from the Russian government and into the pockets of corrupt officials. Magnitsky didn’t keep quiet about it.

S2: And Sergei was a very smart guy, smartest lawyer I knew in Russia. And he discovered this. And he was really shocked because it wasn’t just a crime against me. I mean, I was the client. He was my lawyer. But he discovered that a crime had been committed against his own country. Nearly a quarter of $1,000,000,000 stolen. And that really upset him. He was really shocked by that. And so he did something which almost no other Russian would do. He went and gave sworn testimony against these corrupt police officers to the Russian state investigative committee, which is their version of the FBI. And he named all the names and somehow he believed that this must be a rogue operation, that Putin would have never allowed this. And what he discovered was that it wasn’t just a rogue operation. It was Vladimir Putin was was involved. And he ended up getting arrested after he testified. He was thrown in jail. He was then tortured maliciously and horribly for 358 days. He got very sick in prison. He was refused medical attention. He ended up losing £40 and developing pancreatitis and gallstones. And on the last night of his life, on November 16, 2009, he went into critical condition. And that night the authorities put him into an isolation cell that chained him to a bed and eight right guards with rubber batons beat him until he was dead. That was he died at the age of 37, 12 years ago. And that’s, you know, the the unbelievable bravery that he demonstrated when he was in prison. They they constantly wanted to get him to sign a false confession, saying he stole the $230 million and did so in my instruction. And he constantly refused. He was just this, you know, for him, the idea of perjuring himself and bearing false witness was more painful than whatever physical pain they were subjecting him to. And that cost him his life.

S1: How quickly after he died did you decide that you were going to avenge, that you were going to make sure that it meant something?

S2: Well, it took me about an hour. The first hour, I was in a state of shock and just panic and heartbreak and hysteria. And then when it finally settled in that he was killed and he was killed because he was my lawyer and he’d be alive today if he hadn’t been my lawyer, I made a vow to his memory, to myself, to his family that I was going to put aside all of my other activities and stop doing business. And just about all of my time, all my resources and all of my energies to going after the people who killed him to make sure they face justice. And that’s what I’ve been doing for the last 12 years.

S1: You’ve been described as an accidental activist. Do you think it was accidental that you’ve made this your life’s calling?

S2: Absolutely. If I hadn’t if Sergei Magnitsky hadn’t been murdered, I would be doing something different. I would probably just be, you know, a conventional businessman, as I had been before. But his murder completely broke my heart and changed my life.

S1: You pushed for a bill in the United States called the Magnitsky Act as a way of honoring him and maybe avenging him. What does the Magnitsky Act do and why is it a fitting way to punish the people who are responsible for Sergei Magnitsky death?

S2: Well, originally I wanted to get the people responsible for killing him to face justice for murder and torture. But the Russian government circled the wagons and they exonerated everybody involved. Vladimir Putin even got involved in the cover up personally, and it became obvious that there was never going to be any chance of justice inside of Russia. So I said, Well, how do we get justice outside of Russia? And I came up with this idea, which is that these people killed Sergei Magnitsky for $230 million. This was this tax rebate fraud and the money that they stole they don’t like to keep in Russia because as easily as they stole it, it could be stolen from them. And so I went to Washington and I met two senators, a Democrat from Maryland named Benjamin Cardin and a Republican from Arizona, the late John McCain. And I told them the story of what happened to Sergei. And I said, can we freeze their assets and ban their travel? They said, yes. And that became known as the Magnitsky Act, named after Sergei Magnitsky. And it passed in the Senate two years later in 92 to 4, that passed the House of Representatives with 89% and became a federal law on December 14th, 2012. And it’s now been expanded to become a global Magnitsky Act, applying not just to Russian human rights violators, but others. It’s now been adopted by 33 other countries. It’s remarkable, even more so, that it was the template that’s now being used to sanction all the killers from the Putin regime and for their murders in Ukraine.

S1: Why should ordinary Americans care about the Magnitsky Act? Why shouldn’t they think this is a personal crusade? You trying to avenge the death of a friend?

S2: Well, that is what drove me to pass the legislation. But the legislation goes way, way, way beyond. Sergei Magnitsky now applies to the Chinese officials involved in the weaker genocide in Xinjiang. It applies to the generals in Myanmar that are responsible for the Rohingya genocide. It applies to various African warlords. It applies to all sorts of bad people. Every American should love this. It’s like good versus evil. There’s really nobody who can think that there’s anything wrong with the Magnitsky Act because it’s the one tool that exists to right wrongs. And it might be named after Magnitsky because I was the one who pushed it. But every victim, everywhere in the world is just so happy to have some outlet, some way of writing a wrong. I don’t think anyone would doubt that.

S1: The Magnitsky Act popped up in the news here in the U.S. when the story broke about that infamous meeting in Trump Tower during the 2016 presidential campaign where Donald Trump, Jr Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort all met with a Russian lawyer and they were maybe hoping to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. But it turned out that what the Russian lawyer wanted to talk about was the Magnitsky Act. Is the Magnitsky Act sort of a Rosetta Stone for understanding Russia’s interference in the 2016 election?

S2: It was the main driver. So after the Magnitsky Act was passed, Vladimir Putin went out of his mind. He just got apoplectic. A ban, the adoption of Russian orphans by American families as one way of protesting, effectively killing some orphans, because these are orphans that are often sick and needing medical attention, which they would get from these American families and wouldn’t get in Russia. So killing his own orphans to protest piece of legislation, he made it the single largest foreign policy priority to repeal the Magnitsky Act. And as you mentioned, he then sent this strange woman who represented his interests to the Trump Tower right before Trump was elected, to ask if Trump will repeal the Magnitsky Act. I mean, what’s so important to him? And I think we’re now seeing why it was so important to him, because he knew that his own money would be frozen someday. And this is happening now. And so he probably knew in advance he was going to do something so heinous and so horrific that this legislation was going to be existentially threatening to him. And here we are and it is.

S1: We’ll be right back.Vladimir Putin is obsessed with repealing the Magnitsky Act because according to Bill Browder, the sanctions it’s created are hitting Putin in his pocketbook. That’s because with the patronage system Putin imposes on Russia’s elite. Any seizure of oligarch cash ultimately means less cash for Putin.

S2: Every oligarch who exists in Russia, and I should say who’s allowed to exist at the pleasure of Vladimir Putin, is required to give 50% of their winnings to him. And if they refuse, then then he takes 100%. And so he has become far and away the richest man in the world because of his ownership of all the oligarchs or half of the oligarchs assets, I should say that’s been his big project for the last 20 years, is just getting as rich as he possibly can.

S1: How did you learn this story about Vladimir Putin taking half the winnings? How did you get the details of that?


S2: Well, so what happened was the way he created this scenario, was he arrested the richest oligarch in Russia at the time this is 23, was a man named Mikhail Khodorkovsky. He was the owner of an oil company called Yukos. He arrested him off his private jet in Siberia, puts him on a trial. And in Russia, when you go on trial, you sit in a cage. And then he allowed the television cameras to come in and film the richest man in Russia sitting in a cage. So imagine you’re one of these other oligarchs and you watch this on TV. What’s your natural reaction going to be? You know, you don’t want to sit in that cage yourself. It’s a one by one by one. All these oligarchs went to Putin and said, what do we have to do to not sit in the cage? And he said, 50% now. And to answer your question, how do we know that it’s a not well-kept secret? Everybody who was in this world talked about it and acted on it. And we can see many different evidence based examples of them acting on it. There’s a palace that Putin owns, one of many. This was on the Black Sea. And this one, all the financial arrangements have been exposed. And what we see is that oligarchs of different shapes and colors paid for it, paid for his $1.3 billion house. There’s another great example comes from the Panama Papers, where in Russia there is a person who plays the cello. His name is Sergei Roldugin. And according to the exposé in the Panama Papers, this Sergei Roldugin got a net worth of $2 billion. And obviously, it raises some very serious questions where and why does a musician have so much money? Cellist I mean, the next richest cellist, Yo-Yo Ma, has got 15 million. How does this guy get 2 billion? And then what we discover is that all these payments came through from oligarchs and Russian state banks. Huge amounts of money. $2 billion. And then the question is, why were these people be giving all this money to to this cellist? And the answer is because this cellist happens to be Putin’s best friend from childhood, that he introduced Putin to his first wife, godfather of Putin’s daughter. And so this cellist is owning the money in his own name. He’s just a front man for Putin, Putin’s nominee, his proxy.

S1: You’ve studied Putin as much as maybe anybody. This war in Ukraine, it seems to have sprung kind of from the aid of Vladimir Putin. Why did he want this war?

S2: Vladimir Putin uses war as a way of solidifying his power so he doesn’t get overthrown. If you look back over the years, he’s fought three wars, one in Georgia in 2008, one in Crimea in eastern Ukraine in 2014, and one now. And if you look at his approval ratings, pre-war, post-war, pre-war, what we saw is his approval ratings were flagging to such an extent that I think he was genuinely worried that he might be overthrown. Now, these numbers are not that low. Even when they’re flagging, they’re like 61%. But one has to understand that when someone is approached by a stranger saying, do you support President Putin, you’re not going to say no. But after these invasions and it’s just uncanny, looking at the charts, the numbers go up into the eighties. And so I believe that the main purpose of this war and reason why Putin is motivated to do it has nothing to do with NATO enlargement, has nothing to do with Ukraine wanting to join the European Union. This is all about Vladimir Putin desperately trying to stay in power.

S1: Do ordinary Russians bear any responsibility for letting Putin become so powerful and or for the things that he does with that power?

S2: Well, a lot of Russians now, with their high approval ratings, are genuinely excited by all of this brutality that he’s perpetrating. It’s hard to say, though, you know? I mean, they don’t the Russians are fed a diet of misinformation and all sorts of un factual things about what’s going on. And so it’s kind of hard in a certain. Way to blame Russians, but at the same time one can blame them because if you listen to some interviews being done to regular people on the street and the terrible things they say by Ukrainians, it’s kind of hard to be sympathetic at all. But there is one point, which is Russia was supposed to be a democracy where people had a choice. And Putin eliminated that choice by either killing, imprisoning or exiling anybody who was possibly popular against him. And so the Russian people have never had a choice in their kind of had Putin forced down their throat by Putin himself.

S1: You’ve been very prescient about a lot of things when it comes to Russia. Can you tell us how you see this war in Ukraine ending? Maybe you can give us a best case scenario in a worst case scenario.

S2: Well, there’s definitely a different scenarios. The very best case scenario, which I don’t think has a huge probability but has some probability, is some Ukraine winning the war. Ukraine decisively beating back Russia so that they have to cross over their borders. And that means getting them out of Crimea and that means getting them out of eastern Ukraine. And that means killing all the the soldiers that are sort of occupying different parts of the country. If that were to happen, then I think Vladimir Putin would end up losing power. The Russians demand a strongman. They demand a winner. They have no tolerance for a loser, particularly one that’s cost them so much money. And that has to be our big objective in the West is to support Ukraine in winning this war. And the other possibility is Russia wins the war. And if that were to happen and that could happen even with all these terrible things we see on TV, if Russia brutally uses nuclear weapons or chemical weapons, he might somehow succeed. And if he does, that’s not the end of our problems. Putin It just means he moves on to Poland or Estonia, and then we’re at war with him because we’re members of NATO. And so that also has a I think it’s a low likelihood scenario because Ukrainians are fighting so well. I think the most likely scenario is more of the same, that this is like an unending conflict with all sorts of horrible things all the time. And sadly, that’s the highest probability scenario. And I think this thing could go on for a long time. Years, years and years. I mean, we all think of the invasion as starting on February 24th. But the reality is that the invasion started in 2014. They had a different name for these people. They call them Russian separatists. But for all intents and purposes, they were just Russians invading eastern Ukraine. And so that’s been going on for eight years. There’s no reason to think that anything less than that will be happening here.

S1: What would it take to get Vladimir Putin out of power?

S2: I think the main thing is a decisive victory of the Ukrainians. That’s the one thing that could get them out of power. I don’t think the oligarchs will get them out of power because they’re all too scared of being killed by them. And I don’t think that there will be a palace coup that will take him out of power because he’s constantly looking for these disloyal people. I think what will get him out of power, as if the Russian people have had enough of him because he’s a loser. And that’s what we have to help help them create the image of Putin as loser.

S1: One thing that’s happened as a result of your activism against Putin and the Russian oligarchy is that you’ve put yourself at risk. You’ve had Interpol warrants issued on you by Russia. You’ve been arrested. You’ve had some concerns about being assassinated. What kind of security do you need for you and your family to be safe these days?


S2: Well, the kind of security that I won’t discuss on an open channel, because I don’t want to have my adversaries learn my means and methods for staying alive. But the answer is that a lot of things I have to do which are different than what most people have to do in order to not give them an opportunity. There’s this expression I’ve got to be lucky every day. They only have to be lucky once. I’ve been lucky up until this point. I they haven’t got me, even though they’ve tried. But that doesn’t mean that they won’t be lucky at some point.

S1: Given that doing this kind of activism can put your life in danger, maybe even put your family’s lives in danger. Why is it worth that extreme risk? Why is it that important to you to continue doing this?

S2: Here’s what they did to Sergei Magnitsky was so unforgivable. He was fighting fighting on my behalf. They were trying to get him to confess and write a false confession and to name me. And he stood strong. And I can’t, you know, in a much more dangerous situation. And there’s no way I can live with myself if I were to capitulating. What kind of man would I be? Not not the kind of man that I want to be.

S1: Bill Browder, thank you for coming on the show.

S2: Thank you.

S1: Bill Browder is the founder and CEO of Hermitage Capital Management. His new book is Freezing Order A True Story of Money Laundering, Murder and Surviving Vladimir Putin’s Wrath. That’s the show. What next is produced by Mary Wilson Carmel Delshad and Elena Schwartz with major help from Anna Rubanova and Sam Kim. We are led by Alicia montgomery and Joanne Levine. I’m Seth Stevenson filling in for Mary Harris. Lizzie O’Leary will be in your ears tomorrow and I’ll be back in this feed on Monday. Talk to you then.

Bill Browder has written two books, which you can download for free:

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Friday, April 22, 2022 7:19 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


A few years before the fall of the Soviet Union, Russian satirist Vladimir Voinovich imagined a story about a former KGB agent who became head of state, created a class of corrupt oligarchs around him, draped himself in the mantle of the Russian Orthodox Church and launched a bloody war to remain in power.

Voinovich’s 1986 novel “Moscow 2042” predicted Vladimir Putin. It was not necessarily a hard thing to do. Putin and his crony elites put Russia on the road to autocracy after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

However strategic the strongman was, Putin failed to predict how events would play out. He underestimated the ferocity of Ukrainian resistance and misjudged ordinary Russians.

It’s the classic mistake of every tyrant: Surround yourself only with sycophants, suck-ups and yes-men, and you never get a reality check in your echo chamber. Eliminate dissenting politicians, and you assume that means you’ve eliminated dissent.

The Russian president is now playing a “face-saving” game in Ukraine. The Ukrainians sunk Russia’s Black Sea flagship, the cruiser Moskva, and have killed six generals. Low morale and defection plague conscripts, some of whom blow up their own equipment, according to Ukrainians. Mercenaries are being called in.

Shrinking his ambitions, Putin appears now to be aiming only to seize the eastern Ukrainian region of the Donbas, where Russian separatists already held sway. Meanwhile, with the ferocity of this war, even some of those pro-Russian Ukrainians are questioning their past allegiances.

Voinovich died in 2018. His obituary portrayed him as a dissident writer who foresaw the rise of a Russian regime that looked nostalgically and bitterly to an imagined past rather than forward to a better present.

https://www.dailychatter.com/2022/04/22/wanted-redemption/

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Friday, April 22, 2022 10:26 PM

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Saturday, April 23, 2022 5:26 PM

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Nobody cares about Russia or Ukraine.

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Sunday, April 24, 2022 6:20 PM

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Just another day of Russia/Ukraine not making the front page on RCP.

The only mention of Ukraine at all was a hit piece on JD Vance by the Columbus Dispatch.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/opinion/columns/guest/2022/04/23/opinio
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I didn't even know who JD Vance is, but his comments about Ukraine are spot on.

Quote:

“I gotta be honest with you, I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another.”


Quote:

“we spent $6 billion on a failed Ukrainian military... the only real solution to tyranny abroad is a strong America with protected borders, a prosperous middle class and healthy people... further engulfing ourselves in Eastern Europe harms and distracts from those goals.”


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'I will be damned' if Ukraine prioritized over 'tsunami of illegal migrants'


Indeed.

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Nope. Not a single story about Russia/Ukraine on RCP's front page today.

How many days is that now?

Or should we start counting in weeks?



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