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Originally posted by leadb:
I do not believe Sarg's statement comes anywhere near it would take to classify someone as being on the side of the terrorists. Sorry to say; but the gov. sometimes needs reigning in.

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Its more then a mere statement. Its a desire of some folks, liberals mostly, to see the US withdraw from Iraq. They want to see the political failure of the President, they want to see the repudiation of his foriegn policy. They want to see a rollback of the anti-terror policies. There goals are the same as that of the terrorists and while terrorists shoot at our soldiers with bullets the liberals use words. Their goal is the same, they stand together, not because of their common cause, the defeat of the United States and its President.

I don't put them on the side of the terrorists, they put themselves there with their words, deeds, and goals.

The government always needs some reigning in. But you don't see a boxer taking the time to consider the alternatives to fighting his opponant in the middle of the fight. The time for alternatives is before or after the war is over. The only alternatives in the middle of the fight are win or lose, kill or be killed, and spam or chipped beef (MREs).

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Its more then a mere statement. Its a desire of some folks, liberals mostly, to see the US withdraw from Iraq. They want to see the political failure of the President, they want to see the repudiation of his foreign policy.

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They want to see a rollback of the anti-terror policies.

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There (sic) goals are the same as that of the terrorists and while terrorists shoot at our soldiers with bullets the liberals use words. Their goal is the same, they stand together, not because of their common cause, the defeat of the United States and its President.

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The government always needs some reigning in. But you don't see a boxer taking the time to consider the alternatives to fighting his opponant in the middle of the fight.

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If this be treason, then lets make the most of it.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The President, his policies and success = America, The Constitution.

That equation only exists in your head. The President and his foreign policy and political success is NOT America or the Constitution.

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Are you saying that I want to see a jihad take over America? Turn America (or the world) into an Islamist theocracy?

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Originally posted by Hero:
There goals are the same as that of the terrorists and while terrorists shoot at our soldiers with bullets the liberals use words. Their goal is the same, they stand together, not because of their common cause, the defeat of the United States and its President.

I don't put them on the side of the terrorists, they put themselves there with their words, deeds, and goals.

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
But saying that we are hoping to fail, is pure slander.

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Originally posted by rue:
"I thought 'our duly installed stoolies' were actually democratically elected by a majority of the Iraqi voters in their last election."

Wow. I can see where YOU get your news from.

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Yes it is. Here's a contemporary example. President Clinton had bombing campaigns against Serbia and Iraq. He even deployed troops to Serbia. I hate Clinton. Thought he was a crook and a sex offender. I opposed the limited bombing of Iraq and everything about the Serbian mission. Yet once the bombs started falling I demanded success and victory. As it turns out my assessment of Serbia was wrong, I admitted it and gave the President credit for it when it was over. My assessment of Iraq was correct and I gave the President hell for his faiure...when it was over. We should piss, moan, fight, elbow, tussle, and spit right up until the decision is made and then we need to present a united front. Afterwards we can blame, game, politic, spin, second guess, backseat drive, Monday morning quartback as much as we want.

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Thats silly. Just because you and the terrorists are on the same bus does not mean your going to the same place. You would be satisfied with enough defeat to remove the President and his party from power. They want more defeat to remove the United States from power (and our heads from our necks). Your both invested in American defeat.

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Originally posted by rue:
There are a lot of things the Wiki entry and links left out.

Most of the votes were for a party, not a person. With the exception of a handful of people, there were no candidates per se on the ballot. Most people had no idea what the party they were voting for stood for. Because of the lack of electricity, and more important - security, no party wrote up position statements, and the little information there was, was virtually undistributed. Nearly all ballots were distributed at the last minute, creating voter confusion - with long lists of unrecognized and cryptic party names. Since the party names were unrecognized, the positions unstated, and the actual candidates not identified, the voting itself was fairly random, often based on whether the person handing out the ballots was known to the voter and what they recommended, or, more commonly, by any religious identification gleaned from rumor. Turnout was low, and the vote was boycotted by Sunnis b/c of a fatwah that was issued. And like the old computer acronym - GIGO. Iraq now has a broken government apparently answerable to and representative of no one, with Sunni's out of the process completely.

Yup, that worked out well.

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