Hillary and Bill - Biggest liars EVER to live in the White House by AURaptor

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Hillary and Bill - Biggest liars EVER to live in the White House

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Sunday, April 6, 2008 2:33 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by rue:
"The Bosnia sniper fire ordeal showed that she lied."

It did ? How do you KNOW she lied ? Maybe she was told they were under sniper fire. Maybe she meant to say they could have been but accidentally left off the preface. Maybe she thought they were. I mean really, unless you can show she intentionally sought to mislead people how can you PROVE she lied ?

"I didn't need to show that, it's common knowledge that Hilary lied."

Well, it's common knowledge that Cheney lied, and Bush lied and Rice lied and Rumsfeld lied and so on. If that's all YOU require to PROVE a lie, then in fact all your heroes did lie. But if you need more - and I certainly do - then you're a far, far way off from PROVING Hillary lied.

So yeah you still need to prove Hillary lied.

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"Global warming - it's not important. It just isn't .

The video by the CBS film crew showed that Hillary lied. She said there wasn't even time for a greeting ceremony on the tarmack, and that they ran w/ their heads down to the buildings of the base. That's not what happened, not even close. The video showed her meeting, talking to and accepting a gift from a little girl. No one was ducking their heads,no one was in a hurry to get inside. Hillary didn't just grab the gift and run, as she claimed she did. She lied.

There's nothing to show that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or Condi lied. Nothing what so ever. So, what the hell is your point w/ this silly stunt you're trying to pull by saying she didn't and Bush et all did ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, April 6, 2008 3:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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There's nothing to show that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or Condi lied.

Well, if a video can show that Hillary lied, then a video showing Cheney saying something and then directly denying he said it, ALSO proves he lied.

Or not. In Auraptor-world.

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Sunday, April 6, 2008 4:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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There's nothing to show that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or Condi lied.
Well, if a video can show that Hillary lied, then a video showing Cheney saying something and then directly denying he said it, ALSO proves he lied.

Or not. In Auraptor-world.

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Cheney was talking about a bigger issue, whether he connected Iraq / al Qaeda and 9/11. He was basing it on the report which is now held suspect, so of course his view is going to change on that, per the intel. Hillary was THERE, and was recounting HER OWN EXPERIENCES , most of which never actually happened.

If you can't see the difference here, then there's no point of continuing on any further. They are not one in the same. Not by a space mile.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, April 6, 2008 6:22 AM

RIGHTEOUS9

really Auraptor? so if his information changed when more intel was available then I assume his response was something like...

"we were exploring a link between 9/11 and Iraq which I told the American people was a real possibility, but it turns out there was no connection."

But nope. What we got was..." The senator has got his facts wrong. I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11, but there's clearly an established Iraqi track record with terror. "

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Sunday, April 6, 2008 6:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

There most certainly was a connection between Iraq and terrorist organizations, even al - Qaeda. Just not per the 9/11 attacks.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, April 6, 2008 7:19 AM

RIGHTEOUS9

oh jesus

do you intentionally miss the point every time?

Cheney suggested that there could be a connection with Iraq and 9/11. Then.....he told us....I did not suggest a connection between Iraq with 9/11.

WTF dude...you totally avoided that

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Sunday, April 6, 2008 9:08 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Righteous9:
oh jesus

do you intentionally miss the point every time?

Cheney suggested that there could be a connection with Iraq and 9/11. Then.....he told us....I did not suggest a connection between Iraq with 9/11.

WTF dude...you totally avoided that

That's not what he said. And the reason I'm being so stubborn on this issue is that I won't allow Cheney's comment to be misconstrued to being on the same level as the callous , intentional and blatant lie that Hillary told. Cheney is dealing w/ an issue of international intelligence, what was known, what was surmised, WHEN it was known,by who, etc...there's a LOT of various factors involved here, not just him making up a story to look better to the media.

I'm fucking sick and tired of idiots and myrmidons getting the facts wrong just so they can have some fodder to throw at a political party or an individual of a party of which they don't see eye to eye. "Bush lied, people died " = great bumper sticker, but it's A LIE, and such B.S. doesn't do a damn thing but embolden the enemies of the U.S. Disagreeing over something is fine, but don't do so on the basis of a lie, even if the lie sounds good on a bumper sticker.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, April 7, 2008 8:21 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
This probably depends upon what your definition of then word "is" is.
Lying under oath (Slick) and in court (Hillary) are different from lying to the press, or lying to youtube, or lying to the Russians.

...or lying to the American people (State of the Union)...

Is Hillary a liar? Well, she's a politician - do you really need to ask if she's a liar?

What kills me is these dolts who insist - over and over, more and more loudly - that Bush has NEVER lied. Ever, in his entire life.

Are Hillary and Bill (or the collective term, "HillBilly") the BIGGEST liars *ever* to live in the White House? Doubtful. There was Nixon, who was referenced in AwwwCrapper's original post - remember him? The dude who had shitty burglars try to bug the Democratic national headquarters, and then tried to cover it up, and lied about every single second of the events?

What about Reagan? Remember him? "We don't negotiate with terrorists." Spoken BY him, at the exact same time he was NEGOTIATING WITH THOSE VERY SAME TERRORISTS WE SUPPOSEDLY DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH!!! Oh, wait - let me guess: Since it was Reagan, he simply misspoke. Or couldn't recall. Bullshit. He flat-out fucking LIED to you, me, the American people, and the world. That was a trend he'd continue throughout his administration.

My point? Simple - you know your President is a liar when you see his (or her) lips moving. What tends to separate the men from the boys are the SIZE of the lies. Slick Willie lied about getting a hummer from a fat chick who wasn't his wife. In the scope of things, how big is that? Who died as a direct result of this lie? And if you were in his shoes (or her mouth), wouldn't you do the same?

Contrast that with Bush's lies - which so far have had a direct effect to the tune of 4000+ American soldiers killed in Iraq, countless thousands of others horribly injured and maimed, many of them for the rest of their lives, and HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Iraqis dead - all for nothing but Bush's outsized ego, and his pathological need to impress his daddy.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Monday, April 7, 2008 9:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

myrmidons

Huh. That must have been O'Reilly's word for the day.
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Monday, April 7, 2008 10:07 AM

STORYMARK

Conservatives love to beat the drumb about Liberals and their "Moral Relatism", but when one of their guys gets caught lying...

Well, er... that doesn't count. He wasn't under oath, he was just lying to the public, so it's not really a lie.

Hypocrits.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, April 7, 2008 10:52 AM

AMAZON

I generally don't reply to political extremist threads ... but this is amazing.

Let me say, as said before. ALL politicians lie. Okay, we know that. Most of us lie. "how do I look in this dress?", yeah, you are going to tell her the truth, right? (ridiculous example I know, but it's just a point).

Any statement that is absolute, comes into question. It's not a matter of the biggest, worst etc. It's a matter of individual choice and following our own beliefs as to who is lying about what. If the issue is something important to you ... then that lie is going to be important to you. (Like the press doesn't twist and take quotes out of context)

BUT ... to imply (Bush never lied) that your party's candidates and personnel are pure and without any fault is naive and arrogant.

We all have strong feelings in politics. Conservatives tend to want to protect everything they have to the point that giving aide to the less fortunate is distasteful and a threat. They also want to tear down the division of church and state so that the Christian bible rules the country and be damned, literally, all other belief systems. Liberals tend blame all the problems on the conservatives, want to give all the money to "special interest" groups, don't believe in God (as defined in the ONLY book, the Bible) and don't take "personal" responsibility. It's all cliche and we tend to fall into the party line of beliefs.

Surprise, not ALL liberals are bleeding hearts weariang blinders. Not ALL conservatives are penny pinching bigots.

Unfortunately ... we can't tell that from this thread.

Here we believe in the "little guy", we believe in the browncoats as we see them to be. This thread just doesn't fit does it?

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Monday, April 7, 2008 11:11 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
myrmidons

Huh. That must have been O'Reilly's word for the day.
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Let's party like it's 1929.

Never listen to or watch O'Reily. Nice try.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, April 7, 2008 5:01 PM

MEIMEICOBB

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Originally posted by Amazon:
Surprise, not ALL liberals are bleeding hearts weariang blinders. Not ALL conservatives are penny pinching bigots.

Unfortunately ... we can't tell that from this thread.

Here we believe in the "little guy", we believe in the browncoats as we see them to be. This thread just doesn't fit does it?

I have to completely and totally agree with you there. I'm not a bleeding heart liberal, but neither am I a pincher-conservative. I believe in a fair law that all men can agree on, of course, unless they are the ones falling under the penalty of the law, in which case it's never fair.

What I'd like to do is define "lie," "lying," and "lied" since those words are being thrown around a lot.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie

lie; noun, verb, lied, ly·ing. –noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: "His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one."
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
4. the charge or accusation of lying: "He flung the lie back at his accusers." –verb (used without object)
5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
6. to express what is false; convey a false impression. –verb (used with object)
7. to bring about or affect by lying (often used reflexively): to lie oneself out of a difficulty; accustomed to lying his way out of difficulties. —Idioms
8. give the lie to,
a. to accuse of lying; contradict.
b. to prove or imply the falsity of; belie: "His poor work gives the lie to his claims of experience."
9. lie in one's throat or teeth, to lie grossly or maliciously: "If she told you exactly the opposite of what she told me, she must be lying in her teeth." Also, lie through one's teeth.

Ok, now that we've got that out of the way... doesn't a lie also include the hiding of the truth? I always got whooped when I was younger for not telling the whole truth, for leaving parts out. I think that counts as lying too. So, wouldn't anyone who only told part of the story, especially when it comes to telling the American public what happened and when that little extra counts, be lying? I would have to say yes - so this here is to support all of those other bits of evidence set forth by those above me, both for and against no one in particular. Just use the same definition when you hold your bits of glass up to the light, and remember, nothing you say or do matters in the long run. You don't have any money, why should your voice count?

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Monday, April 7, 2008 6:06 PM

FREMDFIRMA

And not all Anarchists are mad as hatters.

But you know, some of us MIGHT be!

The whole thread is just so stupid that it's funny, because there's no way in hell any sane person could take it seriously.

-F

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