Afghan culture and people by dreamtrove

Niki, here is a couple of BBC articles with local Afghan interviews

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8387684.stm

" I met Hayit Allah pushing a wheelbarrow close to his mud-wall compound. He was an elderly man with a wiry spryness, and still worked in the dusty fields with his four sons.

He told me that the security situation was good close to his village. But he said that just five minutes' drive away, the villages were all Taliban-controlled.

But he was not worried about it, he said, and believed more foreign troops would be a bad idea.

His neighbour Haji Rabat, also a farmer, endorsed this view. He thought that deploying more US forces in Afghanistan would be a big mistake.

"Every time the Americans send more troops they create more problems with us," he said. "The only way to resolve this conflict is to negotiate with the insurgents." "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8389255.stm

It seems that there is some debate on how to proceed with the people interviewed as well, other than what is going on doesn't work very well.

Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists

Lets party like its 1939

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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 2:18 PM

PERFESSERGEE

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Niki

As for ecology, speaking from a position of science, sure, some ecosystems are more fragile than others. There still in no natural desert. Nature abhors a vacuum, and sorry, even if it were up to debate, which I think it's not, it's definitely off topic here.

DT, this is incorrect - there are lots of natural deserts, particularly along the 30 degree latitude belt in both northern and southern hemispheres. The mechanisms are well studied and well understood. They come in 2 forms: rainshadow deserts in which there are mountains to the windward (these can be anywhere, not just at 30 degrees), and climate-belt deserts located at around 30 because the wind patterns are formed by descending dry air at that latitude, that heats up as it descends and picks up what little moisture is available from land. Afghanistan has aspects of both. The same is true for the US Southwest and northern Mexico; both have shadowing mountains and are in the 30's. The western deserts of Peru/Chile and Namibia are pure climate-belt deserts. Afghanistan may have also been damaged by overgrazing (deserts are particularly susceptible to this), but it started as a natural desert at least as long as it's been at that latitude (many tens of millions of years).

And, the habitat in which a people lives makes a great deal of difference to their culture and ways, therefore being much on topic.

perfessergee

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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 2:55 PM

Perf

As usual, I'm not posting in a void of ignorance. The desert in peru was made by the Wari (huari) empire and its predecessors, as has been much discussed here on this board.

Proof: Their farms and cities are found throughout the desert. Why would they *build* farms and cities in the middle of the desert?

Sorry, that's just a non-fact. I don't care if you have a PhD in geology, I have a 5th grade education and I find this really obvious. Education can be a handicap, but don't post without researching the alternative. I have, BTW: The oldest desert is the Sahara, which started to decline from a rainforest from 3 million BC forward. The remains of the earliest human, Lucy, were founded in the Central Sahara dated around 3 million BC.

This one's open and shut, but it also is patently obvious: Nature abhors a vacuum because of evolution. If there were no life, lifeforms would evolve to live there. Just look at antarctica, one of the world's most successful ecosystems. Or the Taiga/Tunda, another. What these places have that bodes so well for life is not their natural environment, it's "no humans."

Okay, I'm done now.

Niki,

It wasn't an attack, and snarks don't count. Be civil or don't, the choice is yours, I was only mentioning it as something already discussed for people who want to get along. I think that some posters respond to PN differently, and I understand that, he does spam the board. I am not one of them, however, but that doesn't mean that I won't snark him once in a while. Everyone snarks everyone, it's called having a sense of humor.

Sorry, the holier than thou is starting to annoy me again. Can we get back to Afghanistan please?

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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 4:49 PM

Well Niki

after watching the talking heads on CNN, I'd have to say you are an expert of Afghanistan...

more because I don't think any of those suits are at all believable.

Could have been worse, I might have watched Faux news

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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 4:51 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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The Taliban most likely would not be a threat to anyone outside the area, and not to us; Al Qaeda has long gone international, isn’t powerful in Afghanistan, is apparently moreso in Pakistan now, and we’re not focused on going after them.

I think I probably agree with this assessment, though it is a gamble. I personally like the idea of fighting hard for a few years to try to improve the status quo (pushing the Taleban back while building up the Afghan security services, tilting the balance of power away from the Taleban), before our inevitable orderly retreat and hope for the best exit-strategy.

But there is another issue here, that hasn't been mentioned. Pakistan has a fight against their own Taleban, and I think the fate of this *nuclear* state is much more important. Would a Taleban-controlled Afghanistan across the (porous) border increase Pakistan's internal struggle?

This isn't addressed specifically to you by the way Niki, I think we're all very grateful for the insight you've already offered, any question in the realm of grubby war/geopolitics or anything, feel free to ignore.

Heads should roll

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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 8:23 PM

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Niki:
Just a quick aside: I have my own opinions on how much or if the “Clintonistas” run Obama or his government. I can easily see anyone, diplomat, citizen or President, initially reacting as he did against Karzai, then over time accepting that it is he with whom we must deal at this time unless we want to encourage further strife. Just my opinion.

Oh, I'm sure it's a power struggle, but I did watch this one, and it went like this:

Obama to Karzai: you can't take power without the support of the people. We have to hold back on this...

Hillary: We support Karzai

Obama: We support Karzai

Do I hear an echo?

Yes, I know that Obama is trying to be his own man, but when I predicted this fall out when he was running last year, I said any way it goes, Hillary wins, because she knows far more people in DC than Obama does, and so she's going to master the beltway game. That's the real reason Obama has Biden. The difference is, Clintons know how to kick it old school in influence pedalling.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 7:44 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Thanx for your kind words, JS. Not sure they’re deserved, but thanx. And who knows, maybe if enough of us hang in there long enough, something good will happen, eh?

Gino: Thank you, I found those FASCINATING! And yes, I was pretty sure that opinion is divided all around the country, probably divided for different reasons among urban folk and other reasons for the villagers, y’think? Seems like it would be that way to me. Given everyone views things from their life’s perspective. But they were neat interviews, I thank you for them. I especially got a kick out of the guy who said “"They don't know much about our culture and they can't communicate with the local people." Not much has changed in that respect since we were there, I see…sadly. What I don’t get about that is Why don’t we LEARN??? After sixty years, that statement is exactly the same…

And of course, translators have been fired in huge numbers because they’re gay…sigh…

I’m certainly no expert; my personal knowledge is 50 years old and much has changed. But I do find it irritating that the MSM is what people accept as factual, when the talking heads merely repeat what they’re told—investigative journalism is an endangered species! Some of them STILL can’t pronounce “nuclear”< and nobody seems to want to change that. I just saw "Afghani" used with respect to the people, not the currency, again last night. Sigh...

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“Jawed advocated a complete withdrawal of foreign troops but would like continued international support for the Afghan government.”

No surprise there….probably the same sentiment voiced by almost all places we’ve invaded, don’t you think? “Take your troops out; give us your money”. Pretty natural. And “But many Afghans think that simply pulling out would be a recipe for disaster and that the country would descend into civil war.” Not surprising to find differing views; same thing is true over here.

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“Although they do enjoy public support in the major cities, it's a different story in remote areas. They should try very hard to avoid civilian casualties from now on and not undertake air attacks until they are certain of the target.”
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“It makes you wonder: foreign troops are great in number, well-armed and well-equipped. They've got the best tanks and weapons and yet they can't defeat the Taliban.

The Taliban can go anywhere and do anything they want. They go to a village, they open fire on a convoy and they use the villagers as a human shield. But there are no soldiers or police in the village to protect the residents. And that's the problem: every town and village should have it's own protection.

The question now is not how many extra troops will be sent but what role they'll play.”
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“Afghanistan is a developing country. We need a good security and we need our own army to be well-equipped and well-trained.

But before we have the capability to safeguard our security situation ourselves, we first need help from foreign countries to train our army and police. This is the only way we can ensure better security and peace in Afghanistan.”
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“The increased number of troops will backfire unless they can hold areas that are secured. Once an area is secured, it should never be ceded back to the Taliban.

But providing the Afghan security forces with tactical training is not enough. Most people think that the US and the UK contribute towards the suffering of ordinary people by teaching our security forces to be lethal without teaching them the responsibilities that come with it.”

Some very cogent, informed opinions there---all those interviewed except the first one were students; the first one was a farmer. Not surprising, the number of different views; interesting, how good a grasp they have on the situation. I guess not surprising, since if you live there, you see it right in front of you all the time.

Perfesser, thank you for your post. I believed that was the case, but I haven’t the knowledge to explain exactly why. I really appreciate you making the point for me, and explaining it. DT, nobody is saying you speak out of ignorance, or that probably most deserts aren’t man made. But to say “Sorry, that's just a non-fact. I don't care if you have a PhD in geology, I have a 5th grade education and I find this really obvious. Education can be a handicap” is something with which I don’t agree. Perfesser has explained pretty clearly how natural deserts can be formed, and I found this:

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Natural or historical deserts

These types of desert are formed by geographical conditions such as location in a recognized altitude and longitude, having little precipitation, tense and long – term climatic changes, salt and gypsum layers as well as other geological events.
The main factors contributing to natural deserts in Iran are as follows:

1-The existence of the Alborz Mountains in the north and Zagros

Mountains in the west of country prevent the humid climate of the Mediterranean Sea and North Atlantic Ocean penetrate to the lowlands of Iran and thus adds to the decrease of precipitation in the central regions of the country creating a more severe climate . The location of Iran on the arid belt in the northern hemisphere, exacerbates the arid and hyper- arid climate in the central plateau which is characterized by little precipitation , high evaporation ( sometimes more than 4,000mm per year) and severe temperature fluctuations ranging between + 50 degrees in summers to - 20 centigrade in winters. Based on climatic classifications, more than 90 percent of the land area of Iran falls into the domain of arid, hyper arid and dry sub-humid climates and this has made the natural ecosystems more sensitive and fragile in these regions.

http://www.frw.org.ir/CountryProfile/NaturalResources/Deserts/pageid/8
7/language/en-US/Default.aspx

It goes on to describe desertification as ANOTHER factor creating a desert, but clearly it’s not the only one.

The idea that the 2,256,936 miles (6.2 million kilometers) of Australian desert. ( http://www.unep.org/geo/news_centre/pdfs/Chapter1.pdf ) was created by man is something I find difficult to accept. For me, it’s obvious that mankind didn’t create ALL the deserts in the world, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I think there are many things which seem obvious to us which, when we learn about them, might be different than what we believe. “This one's open and shut, but it also is patently obvious: Nature abhors a vacuum because of evolution. If there were no life, lifeforms would evolve to live there.” There are lifeforms in, I believe, every desert, but that doesn’t mean mankind evolved to live in all places to cause desertification.

But all that is off topic, I was just glad to hear that my belief wasn’t completely wrong. I’m not “holier than tho”, I merely pointed out why I disagreed with you that what you suggested wasn’t accepted by many and so I’ll go with the flow and follow their example if I want to. That certainly doesn’t make me “holier”, it means I’m willing to sink to the level of others, rather than try for perfection.

Regarding Obama’s statements and Clinton’s, if we knew the timeline on that, perhaps we could better judge. To me it seems that Obama believes the former, but after recognition of the obvious fact that Karzai isn’t going anywhere any time soon, and that we are there and must deal with him, I find no problem in Clinton having said it first, and don’t see that as proof that she is in control or controlling him. Thus far I have seen Clinton following Obama’s lead without in any way showing a lack of backing; what happens behind close doors I’m not privy to, but her actions thus far have been mentioned by many as showing her support and willingness to bow to his decisions. Again, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

As to returning to the topic of Afghanistan, as I said I won’t post more about the culture or people unless it’s requested, I can respond with my own opinions on other matters concerning the country, but as to the current situation and the politics involved, I know no more than any of us. I’ve still had no response from the people at AISK, which doesn’t particularly surprise me. Many have read the question I can see, but that they don’t have any interest in visiting a strange forum and discussing the country isn’t really surprising.

KPO, I’m about of the same mind as you: “I personally like the idea of fighting hard for a few years to try to improve the status quo (pushing the Taleban back while building up the Afghan security services, tilting the balance of power away from the Taleban), before our inevitable orderly retreat and hope for the best exit-strategy.” I hope that’s what Obama is attempting to do. I obviously can’t speak to whether a Taliban-controlled Afghanistan would increase Pakistan’s problems, but I’d guess it would.

And yes, for us Pakistan is by far the more important problem. I wish the Pak government would allow our troops to go after both Al Qaeda and the Taliban there, but of course I know that’s impossible. We are probably playing with fire in just using drones there, but I don’t know what else we can do. realistically, given the threat.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 12:31 PM

Niki

Actually it was the position being taken, and the issue was Peru, but:

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The idea that the 2,256,936 miles (6.2 million kilometers) of Australian desert ... was created by man is something I find difficult to accept.

And yet it happened. (I think that # is high, but it depends on the definition)

Not arguing the point, the conventional wisdom on this one just doesn't jibe with the nature of nature. I don't know why people persist in this belief, which, from what I read, the Africans put on the same level as Creationism.

This isn't a criticism of anyone, I'm only pointing it out because I think that it's a very dangerous belief. If there is a cataclysm is about to strike, not to think pro-actively about it would be a mistake.

Re: Afghanistan, I'm chicken little just here to tell you that the sky actually *is* falling. Maybe I'm wrong, but can you afford to take that chance?

More to the point: Using simple logic and laws of mathematics and physics, you can actually predict the layout of the universe and everything in it without too much difficulty. Understanding the underlying logic behind natural events, evolution, and the pervasive life forms of the planet takes only a smidgen of understanding. It's overwhelmingly obvious that this does not predict a desert.

It does predict some fragile ecosystems, simple human farming and animal herding is enough to kill such environments.

Again, to the specific example of Australia, I just did a cursory search, and the fossil record indicates that the land seems have been relatively fertile for the billions of years prior to the arrival of humans around 60,000 years ago. The ecosystem slowly declines, and collapsed between 14,000-7,000 years ago. It's important to remember that Australia, like the rest of the Earth, wasn't settled once by one group of human, but several times, in this case, three times prior to the modern era. One of those cultures, I would hazard a guess, brought with it some very destructive agricultural practices.

I humbly suggest you examine the possibility that the Afghan ecological decline is the result of some practices of people living there now, just in case... Because if I'm right, then some major technological solutions may be needed, or massive famines will set in.

Also, consider this: If the environment is stretched to the breaking point, and the infant and child mortality is as high as you say, if we introduce healthcare which stops that mortality, the resulting population explosion will cause a systematic collapse unless we also introduce some ecological measures

All of which is far more important than whoever is nominally in charge.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 1:01 PM

BYTEMITE

ummm... While I agree with you it's possible for natural deserts to exist (I live in a grassy one, there's a more traditional looking one to the south of me caused by the Sierra Nevada rain shadow and a shit ton of eroded Jurassic sandstone), I'd wouldn't be so quick to call Iran and Afghanistan a natural desert. You might wanna check out this link about ancient Sumeria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer#Decline

The land is still pretty much ruined, there's not much can grow there. Primitive agriculture techniques and grazing herd animals can cause quite a bit of ecological damage, especially in arid terrain.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:09 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Never said absolutely that either Afghanistan or Iran were natural deserts. If anyone remembers, it was I who first said that the desert was "created", largely by the traveling kuchis. Whether the entirety of the country was or not is way beyond my knowledge. I believe Afghanistan might have been at least partly a natural desert, worsened by humanity to the state it's in.

The Australian figures just jumped out at me as I was searching, they weren't in reference to anything specific, just a huge number to conceive of as being destroyed by humans, especialy insofar as I know, that Australia has never been highly populated. It's neither here nor there..

Afghanistan has endured numerous droughts, as well, which contributed and continue to do so. And whether I believe it or not, there's nothing I can do about it, so there IS no "take a chance".

We'll just have to agree to disagree; I continue to believe there are deserts which were created by nature, and I believe both the cite I provided and the facts the Perfesser gave are pretty logical.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:29 PM

Nik,

Everyone is free to believe what they want.

Now,

Back to Afghanistan.

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Monday, December 14, 2009 10:24 PM

Afghan responses to Obamas peace prize

Afghans angry at Obama's Nobel win

THE BIG CHILL IN OSLO

December 14, 2009
I guess President Barack Obama has never read Benjamin Franklin’s maxim, “there never was a good war, or a bad peace.”
Obama’s speech in Oslo proclaiming Afghanistan a “good” war and trying to justify US global military operations echoes to America’s detriment around Europe and, more important, the Muslim world.

The president’s address dismayed many who foolishly hoped the “anti-war” president might curb or even end his wars because of a highly politicized and leftish Swedish award. Not so. America’s military-industrial-financial juggernaut continues to roll on.

But what could Obama do? Unwilling to turn down the award he did not solicit, the president had to turn up in Oslo and accept a peace prize as he was widening and deepening the Afghanistan war. In retrospect, he probably should have turned the prize down, saying, as he did at Oslo, that he has not yet done enough to merit such an award.

full story

http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/the-big-chill-in-os
lo.aspx

Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists

Lets party like its 1939

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:54 AM

Gino

Norway.

Otherwise, good points, but I don't know if you noticed during his campaign a lack of humility on the part of Obama, oh he of the pre-presidential seal, and the mock up parthenon where he put himself in place of Zeus?

Now what happened with leaders like this before, Pericles, Augustus, Oh, I see, can go either way: Empire, or Fall.

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:27 AM

BYTEMITE

Editted for the pun.

Sorry, it just suddenly seemed fitting and oh so necessary.

Hopefully Niki will come by with more insights and change it back.

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:00 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I have no further insights to offer, my feelings about our involvement in Afghanistan have been expressed elsewhere. But I do disagree with changing titles (tho' I sometimes--but rarely--do so myself), especially in this case, were the thread was CREATED to discuss the culture of Afghanistan, not to discuss the war. It would be nice if the thread were returned to being about that, but I recognize that threads have lives of their own. Would be nice if someone would start a thread discussing the war, not the culture...in fact I'll probably do so.

But in this case, changing the title is particularly reprehensible to me, so I'll change it to reflect what it was supposed to be about.

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:12 AM

Niki,

Good point. Sorry I joined the war digression

I missed the thread title change.

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:17 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

No apologies necessary. All threads diverge from their original topic. I just wanted to ask respectfully if the discussion of the war could be put in a thread where it belonged, rather than this one (which obviously I take personally, especially as you offered it to me and started it by saying it should be about Afghanistan itself).

Let's let this one sink, and debate the war in the other one, 'kay? That's all I ask.

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:17 AM

BYTEMITE

Sorry about that, I don't normally change the titles.

It would be interesting to hear a cultural take on the war, though, what groups are with which faction and why. Perhaps you might still have some insights that way, so I'll look forward to the thread you mentioned.

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I have no further insights to offer, my feelings about our involvement in Afghanistan have been expressed elsewhere. But I do disagree with changing titles (tho' I sometimes--but rarely--do so myself), especially in this case, were the thread was CREATED to discuss the culture of Afghanistan, not to discuss the war. It would be nice if the thread were returned to being about that, but I recognize that threads have lives of their own. Would be nice if someone would start a thread discussing the war, not the culture...in fact I'll probably do so.

But in this case, changing the title is particularly reprehensible to me, so I'll change it to reflect what it was supposed to be about.

Sorry Nikki, I posted the You Tube story to illustrate how much of a difference there was in opinions between people living in Kabul ( where I find most Western news sources try to use to gage the entire country ) and the people who live elsewhere in Afghanistan.

I'll post stuff like that in a new thread from now on

Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists

Lets party like its 1939

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Saturday, January 2, 2010 11:35 AM

DOROTHY

My husband, I and 4 children were in Kabul Dec '59 - Dec '61. I wonder if we were acquainted. We were with AID. I, too believe that less military and more teachers and medical personnel are needed in that country. I have great admiration for Greg Mortenson who encourages the building of schools. especially for girls, by the natives in the boondocks, without US government assistance.

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Saturday, January 2, 2010 1:03 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Gawd, Dorothy, we MUST have known one another, the American community was so small. My "given" name is Sandra Beecher, my mom was Jeanne and my dad Ralph. He worked for Pan Am, and mom secretaried for an organization, I forget the name, their daughter was my best friend, Trina Johnson. You must be older than I if you were married with kids, I was only 9-11 at the time, but we were there EXACTLY between early '58 and Summer of '61 some time. Did you know my parents, did I go to school with any of your kids? I'm on pins and needles...!!

I went ape shit a while back when I discovered a website for American International School of Kabul, which I attended, and go there now and then. But there's nobody there who was there as early as we were, so I'm one of the "older" people there. If I knew any of your kids, they might enjoy going there, it's at http://www.aisk.org/ (tho' a number have dropped off and gone to Facebook I think, so it's quieter right now).

I'm envious that you were an adult; my memories are fragmented and my impressions were mostly those of a kid, so I didn't notice a LOT. I'd love to have been an adult at the time and been able to take more in!

Woa...I may be having a false memory here, but I seem to remember one of the parents being "Dottie"...the only other last name I remember is Swanson, if you knew them. Betty two or three kids I think. I'm dying to know if you remember us or any of them.

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Sunday, December 19, 2021 1:34 PM

Just another in a long list of shitlamic cultureless shitholes
This one exports much of the toxic drug poison that hedonists in the West consume

The place a hellhole a place de-evolved, they blew up and destroyed so much of their own heirtage, Greek and Macedonia culture destroyed, Seleucid a major center of Hellenistic culture and the Surya cultures, the Hindu Maurya Jainism peoples and their temples and statues wrecked, Sasanian Parthia and Kushan Empire, link from West to East Asia and the thousand year old giant Buddha statues, the Buddhas of Bamiyan

Everyone there will be eventually forced to pray to an evil demon entity from that evil book known as the Quran or Koran, forced to pray to a demonic pedophile Moongod called Al-Lah?

Trump banned from the interwebs while the Taliban and Iran and Saudi terrorists operate social emdia accounts???

Pre-islamic Afghanistan looked kinda interesting

The new place just another islamo oppressive jihadi SHITHOLE COUNTRY, could the islamic muzzie and democracy have ever co-existed?

Islamic world unites to aid desperately poor Afghanistan
https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Islamic-world-unites-to-aid-
desperately-poor-16713494.php

Afghanistan: Girl says she was beaten by Taliban jihadi for refusing sex, Taliban denies claim
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/11/afghanistan-girl-says-she-was-beate
n-by-taliban-jihadi-for-refusing-sex-taliban-denies-claim

Between the Awakening of ISIS and the Return of al-Qaida
https://themedialine.org/mideast-mindset/between-the-awakening-of-isis
-and-the-return-of-al-qaida/

All that said and with all the news I'm still a person who supports peace, I hope even a village idiot can live a life with a roof over their head, I hope they can survive unharassed, not all muslims despite having such a shit religion will be bad people...
... but... the islamic crap
must be mocked for the crap that it is

Also

What is the Bacha Bazi?

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Tuesday, December 21, 2021 7:02 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Sorry about that, I don't normally change the titles.

The thread title mystery continues....

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

Afghans angry at Obama's Nobel win

Other nominations and winners ... Benito Mussolini, Kissinger, Joseph Stalin and yup you guessed it ...Adolf Hitler

Did Trump even say those 'Shithole Countries' Comments or was that more rumor gossip pushed by the media...

SHITHOLE COUNTRIES ???

Afghanistan's brutal year: the return of the Taliban
https://www.euronews.com/2021/12/20/afghanistan-s-brutal-year-the-retu
rn-of-the-taliban

Up to 5,000 Afghans crossing into Iran every day, says official
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/271909299/up-to-5000-afghans-cross
ing-into-iran-every-day-says-official

Turkey, Qatar Firms Ink Deal To Control Five Airports In Afghanistan: Report
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/turkey
-qatar-firms-ink-deal-to-control-five-airports-in-afghanistan-report.html

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Monday, December 27, 2021 6:34 AM

It seems hundreds of US Citizens, Allies and Americans and families who helped the US remain trapped behind enemy lines

Months after its retreat, the big evacuation got people out but people died and the White House now says oops it admits some are still left behind.

Jen Psaki Denies White House Responsible for Americans Left in Afghanistan: ‘We Don’t Put Trackers on Americans Traveling Overseas’
https://www.mediaite.com/news/jen-psaki-denies-white-house-responsible
-for-americans-left-in-afghanistan-we-dont-put-trackers-on-americans-traveling-overseas/

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Thousands of Afghan allies, families still trapped under Taliban control
https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/thousands-of-us-afghan-allies-still-trap
ped-under-taliban-control/

State Department Helped 479 U.S. Citizens Leave Afghanistan Since Aug. 31 – Hundreds More Than Biden Said Were Left Behind
https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/melanie-arter/state-departm
ent-helped-479-us-citizens-leave-afghanistan-aug-31

No more war?

Arrest made after Quran (the muzzie version of Hitler's Mein Kampf disgusied as religion) is destroyed at ASU's Hayden Library

FRANCE: Muslims attack Catholic procession, shouting “Get lost, this is the land of the terrorist pedophile Moongod al-Lah, on the Qur’an I will cut your throat”
https://barenakedislam.com/2021/12/11/france-muslims-attack-catholic-p
rocession-shouting-get-lost-this-is-the-land-of-allah-on-the-quran-i-will-cut-your-throat/

More foiled terrorist plots before and after Sept. 11 the plan to bomb celebrations, bombing subways, Melbourne terror plot foiled a New Year’s Eve attack, Ashiqul Alam who planned to attack Times Square in New York City, rightwing militia, leftwing radicals you name it seems like all the violent crazies are still out there. Then you get the weird blackmailed, planted stuff like Liberty Seven, described as a "bizarre cult," news reported that seven were falsely arrested and wrongly charged with terrorism-related offenses in 2006 after being entrapped by a Federal Bureau of Investigation sting investigation, FBI tricking some retards into committing a crime in order to secure their prosecution and get more money for the FBI?

But what happens when you import islamist jihadi culture??

Has not identified tens of thousands of Afghan Muslim invaders it brought into the U.S.
https://barenakedislam.com/2021/12/18/four-months-after-its-hasty-retr
eat-from-afghanistan-the-biden-regime-has-not-identified-tens-of-thousands-of-afghan-muslim-invaders-it-brought-into-the-u-s/

Congress votes to give Biden’s handlers $13,000,000,000 to resettle unvetted Afghan evacuees in the US
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/12/congress-votes-to-give-bidens-handl
ers-13000000000-to-resettle-unvetted-afghan-evacuees-in-the-us

Taliban’s new ‘charm offensive’
https://barenakedislam.com/2021/12/10/afghanistan-the-talibans-new-cha
rm-offensive/

82,000 Afghan Refugees Went Unvetted
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/11/video-robert-spencer-on-oan-82000-a
fghan-refugees-went-unvetted

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Sunday, May 8, 2022 4:23 AM

Wasting time and treasure and energy inside

SHITHOLE COUNTRIES?

Afghanistan's Taliban order women to cover up head to toe
https://www.yahoo.com/now/afghanistans-taliban-order-women-cover-08030
0174.html

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Wednesday, May 11, 2022 7:29 AM

more Asscrackistan 'Culture'

Burqa impostion in Afghanistan: US says it has 'leverage to wield with Taliban'
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/272546917/burqa-impostion-in-afgha
nistan-us-says-it-has-leverage-to-wield-with-taliban

SHITHOLE COUNTRIES?

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Tuesday, October 18, 2022 3:09 PM

Afghan Woman Kills Self Before Taliban Could Stone Her For Leaving Home

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/woman-dies-by-suicide-in-afghanistan-b
efore-taliban-could-stone-her-for-running-away-from-home-3437195

An Empires Death and Graveyard, British Empire during the First, Second, and Third Anglo-Afghan Wars (1839–1842, 1878–1880, 1919); the Soviet Union in the Soviet–Afghan War (1979–1989); and the United States in the War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) the Graveyard of Empire?

US President Joe Biden referred to the sobriquet while he delivered a public statement after the 2021 fall of Kabul as evidence that no further commitment of American military presence would consolidate the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan against the Taliban. A fear of "history repeating itself," which proved popular amongst authors, news analogy and pundits

https://web.archive.org/web/20210504122636/https://foreignpolicy.com/2
010/07/26/bury-the-graveyard/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210816233741/https://www.nytimes.com/202
1/08/16/us/politics/biden-taliban-afghanistan-speech.html

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Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:40 AM