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47 posts into the thread, lots of people have weighed in with some good insights. A good discussion on Freedoms and Rules and Banning but nothing from Pirate News.

I'd kind of like to hear from him instead of us all talking about him in third person.

How about it John Lee/Pirate News - how's this sittin' with you? You have an equal share here - no one wants to talk for you.

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You failed to read my previous post on this thread:

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

47 posts into the thread, lots of people have weighed in with some good insights. A good discussion on Freedoms and Rules and Banning but nothing from Pirate News.

I'd kind of like to hear from him instead of us all talking about him in third person.

How about it John Lee/Pirate News - how's this sittin' with you? You have an equal share here - no one wants to talk for you.

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You failed to read my previous post on this thread:

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Yeah, no, I did read it. It was as unilluminating then as now. It makes me think you are unconcerned with what these people think of your threads. That certainly is your choice, thanks for posting.

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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not traitor, he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared."
-Cicero, 42 B.C.

"You know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags. Neither in a public way. You know what happened to the popes? They were layin' the nuns; that's been goin' on for years, centuries. But the Catholic Church went to hell three or four centuries ago. It was homosexual, and it had to be cleaned out. That's what's happened to Britain. It happened earlier to France. Let's look at the strong societies. The Russians. Goddamn, they root 'em out. They don't let 'em around at all. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time--it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco." [because they hold each other's penises while they stand naked and urinate on the giant redwood trees]
-President Richard Nixon, White House audiotapes
www.prisonplanet.com/032604nixontape.html

"Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, and then there are ignorant mutherfuckers like you! You can put lipstick on a pig. Sorry ass mutherfucker's got nuttin on me. I inhaled frequently - that was the point. Pot helped, and booze. A little blow when you could afford it. Junkie, pothead. That's where I'd been headed. You ain't my bitch nigger, git your own damn fries!"
-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father
www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/


Gay foreign exchange student and cocaine dealer Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro smoking dope


CIA opium kingpin Obama increased heroin production 12,000% in Afghanistan

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Sig

John may have had mental health issues due to Gulf War syndrome in the past, but he is far from the craziest among us.

Moloch *does* exist, and that's important. If you take the position of "God doesn't exist" than you are left with a terrible conundrum trying to explain the existence of religion. Unless you're going to argue that Judaism doesn't exist.

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Gods exist because they have believers.

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People believe in Moloch. John believes in Moloch. Whether or not there are people who believe in Moloch and choose to follow him is up to debate. I suspect there probably are, but that their power, influence and numbers are exaggerated by judeo-christians (to differentiate from strict new-testament or 1st c. style christians, to whom Moloch/Molech is not an issue.)

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This illegal "treaty" will ban 85% of all jobs, genocide 85% of the population, and double taxes on the survivors. THIS IS WAR.

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Obama Will Attend Copenhagen - Dec 7-18, 2009

The New York Times is reporting that President Obama will stop in Copenhagen on his way to Oslo to accept the Nobel Peace Prize.

UPDATE: Along with the announcement that President Obama will travel to Copenhagen, the White House said today that the President will pledege to cut 2005-level greenhouse gas emmissions by 17% by 2020. Obama has already set a goal of cutting emissions by 83% by 2050; along with the 2020 pledge, the White House is also setting targets of 30% by 2025 and 42% by 2030.

Hopenhagen is a movement generated by the International Advertising Association representing the global advertising indutry in support of the United Nations.

http://hopenhagen.org/blogEntry/60922

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This illegal "treaty" will ban 85% of all jobs, genocide 85% of the population, and double taxes on the survivors. THIS IS WAR.

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Hey John, any predictions as to WHEN this is gonna happen? 'Cause if you predict some time in the next two years, I'm gonna start a betting pool on it.

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United Nations Framework on Climate Change

15 Sept 2009

The quantified global goal of greenhouse gas emissions reductions agreed upon, for the short (2020) and the long (2050) terms, with the associated stabilization levels of greenhouse gases and global mean temperature rises. As well, the year of maximum global emissions and the differentiated contribution to the goal of all the groups of countries, Parties to the Convention and lead by developed countries.

Requires reversing the trend of increasing global greenhouse gas emissions by 2020 at the latest. For this purpose, the Parties shall collectively reduce global emissions by at least 85 per cent from 1990 levels by 2050.

Full text of UN treaty: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/un-fccc-copenhagen-
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Nope, can't create stuff just by believing in it.

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sheeple starve to death by the billions.

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Maybe not, but if you really, truly believe - and are willing to put action behind that belief

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...he fires a lot, so he's bound to hit something.

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...he fires a lot, so he's bound to hit something.

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And that, in the parlance of a shooter, is NOT what you'd call a "marksman". He's a spray-n-pray shooter. Popping off 200 rounds and randomly hitting the broad side of a barn isn't something you get a "Good shot!" attaboy for. It's garbage, as is PN's posting here. Yes, he OCCASIONALLY, rarely, posts up something that is actually correct, and really happened, but even in that, he has to muck it all up with his gay-nazi-jewish-british-queen-porn-ho bullshit, so it becomes just so much more dross.

But as I've said before, garbage has the right to be garbage. Do I *wish* PN wouldn't use this site as the clearinghouse for all the crazy that's flowing out of his ears? Sure. And I wish it would rain gold coins, too. Neither of those is going to happen, so we stuck with PN. Might as well have some fun with him and his posts.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Obviously he learned to shoot in the American military...

spray and pray is what he knows



Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


Lets party like its 1939

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Mike, sure, he's not Cho, but the guy who fires 1000 times and hits 20 is going to do better than an ace with a single round and six shooter

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Dwindling has nothing to do with PN IMHO. There used to be a lot more/ frequent posters here: Auraptor, Finn, Geezer (who posts only occasionally now), Ghoulman, HK, Succatash, SargeX, Drakon, Soupcatcher, Citizen, Phoenixrose... Some of them came here to proselytize, not knowing what a stubborn cussed bunch we are. Others had deeply felt, sincere views for which they couldn't create cogent arguments. Still others, I think, felt that they had simply said everything they wanted to say, and didn't feel like repeating themselves. The initial attraction (Firefly) has faded. And, it's the holidays. Traffic is slow, folks have other things to do.

The reason why PNs posts occupy so much real estate IS bc other peeps are not posting, for various reasons. Boards go through ups and downs. this may be just a slow time, or perhaps it IS winding down for good, but don't put this on PN or Haken. The board has been lovely and the community has moderated itself very well.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Don't forget, we're also not in an election cycle at the moment. Elections seem to really amp up the traffic in RWED.

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the guy who fires 1000 times and hits 20 is going to do better than an ace with a single round and six shooter

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Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist

by H. Michael Sweeney
www.MKZine.com
Spring/Summer 2003

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

www.whale.to/m/disin.html
www.911review.org/Wiki/RulesOfDisinformation.shtml
www.whale.to/b/sweeney.html

Examples & response:
www.proparanoid.net/truth.htm

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Military report: secretly recruit or hire trolls, er, bloggers

Noah Shachtman at Danger Room finds a 2006 report written for U.S. Special Operations Command that suggests ways the military should deal with the blogosphere. One suggestion is for the military to hire bloggers to “pass the U.S. message“:

Information strategists can consider clandestinely recruiting or hiring prominent bloggers or other persons of prominence…to pass the U.S. message. … On the other hand, such operations can have a blowback effect, as witnessed by the public reaction following revelations that the U.S. military had paid journalists to publish stories in the Iraqi press under their own names. People do not like to be deceived, and the price of being exposed is lost credibility and trust.

An alternative strategy is to “make” a blog and blogger. The process of boosting the blog to a position of influence could take some time, however, and depending on the person running the blog, may impose a significant educational burden, in terms of cultural and linguistic training before the blog could be put online to any useful effect. Still, there are people in the military today who like to blog.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/31/military-report-secretly-recruit-o
r-hire-bloggers/
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/03/report-recruit.html

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UNited States Air force Cyber Command
http://www.afcyber.af.mil

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"An email sent by United States Central Command (CENTCOM) to bloggers about the 'global war on terror' (GWOT) has been obtained by RAW STORY. CENTCOM announced earlier this year that a team of employees would be '[engaging] bloggers who are posting inaccurate or untrue information, as well as bloggers who are posting incomplete information.'"
www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Raw_obtains_CENTCOM_email_to_bloggers_1016.
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CIA Operation Mockingbird
www.google.com/search?gbv=2&hl=en&q=operation%20mockingbird&ie=UTF-8&s
a=N&tab=iw

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But I grit my teeth, suck it up, and go on

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Can't say I agree.

In the matter of free speech, what's the difference between making PN go post on an alternate board or forbidding him from posting his crazy on here, versus making Democrat protestors go stand in barbed wire enclosed areas three miles from Bush?

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Personally, I don't feel anyone here does, or should have the right to prevent PN from making his insane posts.

By the same token - the rest of us are well within our rights to say "Shut the fuck up!"

Whether he does or not is up to him - but we still get to say it.

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DLV

Lost me.

If it's PN overposting, I've suggested to him and will again that posting all of his posts in one post rather than trying to start 10 new threads would make a lot fewer enemies

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Yeah, true. It just seems like some of these proposed measures to make it so people "don't have to see PN" fall in the category of MAKING him shut up. Not just saying "post/quantity of posts are offensive, please stop overemphasizing opinion/posting in such quantity."

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Especially if, as Mike says, he gets paid for every link he puts up that we go to! It ensures I won't be going to any, and explains partly the "why" of his volumnious posts!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I think he was pointing out that starting another whole thread all about PN is really nothing more than just giving MORE publicity...

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