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Care to retract your post ? Just a simple acknowledgement that you were wrong will do.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Hero: We ended Iraq in victory? Really? Wow, I missed that—I thought it was still in process, and from what I hear, still having bombings, government unstable, etc., etc. I’m sure glad to hear it’s a “victory”!

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As to “39 Senate Votes”, I believe it was 40? You must have missed recent discussions; if 40 Senators inform the rest of a “procedural filibuster”, then NOTHING can be done without a 60-vote majority.

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Originally posted by RahlMaclaren:
And the stupid Repub's response (let me count the ways) was the most obvious form of puppet theater I've ever seen that didn't include actual puppets.... or did it?
(I apologize to the Fabricated American community.)

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Originally posted by Hero:
noting for the record that in lawschool if you give the right answer to the wrong question, you can still pass...

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noting for the record that in lawschool if you give the right answer to the wrong question, you can still pass...

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Oh goddamn, that's just too easy, and there's plenty more to work with...

Your ball, Mikey.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
JS, do you think the way the response was done might have been an effort to present themselves as this brand spanking new party with galvanized newbies? Sure was a contrast to Bobby Jindal’s flop.

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10. He wont "quit". I found this very disappointing.

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noting for the record that in lawschool if you give the right answer to the wrong question, you can still pass...

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Oh goddamn, that's just too easy, and there's plenty more to work with...

Your ball, Mikey.

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By the time Bush left office the surge had completely succeeded and the govt was in firm control, a situation that remains today.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

So we actually WON the Iraq War, and did so while Bush was in office?

Hell, you'd've thought they'd have a banner for something like that... ;)

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Did you have him mixed up with Sarah Palin? Did you EXPECT him to quit? Is quitting a family value now?

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Been sick a couple of days, just catching up. Interesting discussion...man, you guys move fast!

I’m like you JS, I like to see how they tear it apart, almost more than the speech itself, since they usually use clips (so I can judge for myself, not take what they say verbatim). I did find a difference in MSNBC’s review than you did; I heard a lot more negative for Obama than you appear to have. Quite a bit about “show us the money” I need to sit down and watch the speech (and the other one since then) to get the whole thing, but I hate watching Presidential speeches, and I’m sick at present, so that’ll have to wait. I didn’t catch the “grades” they gave him, only what I heard…and none of it beforehand, so I’ll take your word for that.

In general, I give him an “A” any time he speaks…whatever may be true of his actions, leadership, etc., the man can talk. I know Edwards ended up being a flop (a HUGE one!), but I voted for him in the primary largely because when he spoke, he talked straight—and did so on almost all of the issues that everyone ELSE is talking about now, and with mostly the same conclusions as Obama has come to. What Obama says, however, has shown itself to be little connected to what he DOES or how he leads, so I’m still waiting. I DO thoroughly enjoy his saying it like it is so often, tho’, that’s refreshing.

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So far he has shown himself to be a nice guy who works through the mainstream part of the system, and while that sounds nice it has made him a tool of the special interest groups and power wielding advisors that have had too much control for too long now.

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That was my fear of him from the very start, that he’s not strong enough to handle Washington and, despite having good ideas and I believe being an honest man who really wants to accomplish things, isn’t a strong enough leader or savvy enough to accomplish them.

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Niki, I think the US needs something Britain and Canada has had since the beginning

we have what we call " question period " in the house of commons, where the opposition party(s) directly ask policy question to the Prime Minister.

If the US had this

1. Obama would need to be very clear on policy, his answers would be direct to media, remember this is not a speech so it will not only seem more honest, but follow up questions will force any ambiguous answers away.

2. The Repubs would have to use this to resolve their questions ( or at least pose those questions in a forum where they get answered immediately ) this would limit if not stop the more unfair sniping, because the question is answered right then. " death panel " comments are dealt with immediately, and if off base enough serve to harm the questioner more than the answerer.

3. Media questioning doesn't really cut it as the media has become partisan, Fox will cut Obama down, MSNBC will support him, etc. This process is as much about the guy asking the question, as it is about the guy answering it... The media doesn't answer for what the say in that way... For example, if Palin ( if she was in the position ) directly questioned Obama about " Death Panels " she would immediately, and publicly look and sound like a meth head.

Credibility, or at least more credibility than now

For either side, whomever had their shit together



Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Hell, you'd've thought they'd have a banner for something like that... ;)

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"There is no military solution to the war in Iraq." Obama in 2007 before the surge.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Let's just call Godwins law and leave Wulfie out of the conversation from here on out?"

How very Democratic of you, Story.

Really.

You prove my points more eloquently than even I can.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
More good news for Obama: GDP growing at 5.7%, the highest rates of growth seen in years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2010/01/29/DI2
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Seems that economic stimulus that "Hero" claims didn't work, worked. And is still working. Unemployment is a trailing economic indicator, so we should be seeing job growth coming along later this year.

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On the other hand, I love your idea of real puppet theater. Someone should do that, I’d love to see it!

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