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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Its quite simple.....Most Americans do not trust Washington to do anything right; most Americans do not want any Govt expansion into their personal lives beyond the entitlements we already have and pay for now, and most Americans are sickened to death by what they've seen Reid & Pelosi do to keep Obama's obsession clinging to life. Most Americans do not want a Govt nanny-state. We have always had a spirit of independence, and we value our freedom to attain personal acheivement without Govt interference. Americans would support a different bill that addresses real reform, but no one ever asked for what this Bill is.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

'Course, it would be a lot harder for me to do that if you ever actually LEARNED and started using language correctly.

See is you can figure out where you went so horribly wrong in your above response. Hint: Try reading each of your "bullet points" as a follow on to your first sentence fragment: "It only shows that how petty you are." "It only shows that that you have no substantive..."

Really, you DO make it amazingly easy. And for someone who loves to drone on about how great and smart and right he is, and revels in calling everyone else a bunch of retards, you REALLY have a hard time with the English language. I wonder whose intellectual growth is really "retarded" here. Wait - no I don't; I *know* it's yours.

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Pelosi will use the "Slaughter" technique, even though she and Slaughter fought against it in 2005...

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Again, so long as you play their game, by their loaded rules (which they break the minute those rules get in THEIR way), with their marked deck, at their table - and don't even have the nerve to cheat, what the hell can you possibly expect ?

Fuck that, go sidewinder, come at em in ways that blindside them, attack the weak spots, use treachery and psychological exploitation - damn sure they use em often enough on us!

Oh, and BTW, if you're gonna mock Kooky for being short, you *might* recall the bastard's an inch taller than me, and this overgrown oompa-loompa could still kick yer ass even if I *did* have to bring a milk crate to stand on to do it!
(old joke that, and none-ya-bizness)

-F

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

'Course, it would be a lot harder for me to do that if you ever actually LEARNED and started using language correctly.

See is you can figure out where you went so horribly wrong in your above response. Hint: Try reading each of your "bullet points" as a follow on to your first sentence fragment: "It only shows that how petty you are." "It only shows that that you have no substantive..."

Really, you DO make it amazingly easy. And for someone who loves to drone on about how great and smart and right he is, and revels in calling everyone else a bunch of retards, you REALLY have a hard time with the English language. I wonder whose intellectual growth is really "retarded" here. Wait - no I don't; I *know* it's yours.

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Thank for reinforcing my previous point. All you have is pettiness and irrelevancy. Take away that, and you'd have nothing to post at all.

Naw, I take that back. You'd dream up some other irrelevant, non issue about which you'd whine and bitch. Just goes to show how shallow and empty your views are on such matters.




Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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People have evolved and survived just fine without the presence of corporations.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Too slow, Byte, too slow.

Gotta attack the effing system's head.

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So what you are wanting is not to maintain corporations, but to avoid disruption.

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I don't think that's going to happen even in the most carefully laid-out plan.

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Also, FWIW, I think if we just keep going the way we are, the system will implode anyway.

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Originally posted by rue:
Byte

So what you are wanting is not to maintain corporations, but to avoid disruption.

I don't think that's going to happen even in the most carefully laid-out plan. Also, FWIW, I think if we just keep going the way we are, the system will implode anyway.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

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So what you are wanting is not to maintain corporations, but to avoid disruption.

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Right, exactly. We need a change, but I don't think it's ethical to pursue that change if it could hurt people. So if we want to implement the change, we should try to think up a way that causes negligible damage, that way people don't dislike the new system out of spite and want to go back.

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I don't think that's going to happen even in the most carefully laid-out plan.

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Yeah, probably, but limiting damage is worth a shot I think. That's why SOMETIMES I grudgingly try to participate in the existing system despite the misgivings I posted above, but it always burns me. ._.

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Also, FWIW, I think if we just keep going the way we are, the system will implode anyway.

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Absolutely. That's the scenario I've built my Plan C around. It's not the optimal scenario, though.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

And who was it that was saying elsewhere that it bugged him that the President is black? Talk about having nothing of substance or relevance to bitch and whine about - all you've got left to cling to is your racism!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

And who was it that was saying elsewhere that it bugged him that the President is black? Talk about having nothing of substance or relevance to bitch and whine about - all you've got left to cling to is your racism!

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A clear sign you're deluded or flat out dirt stupid.

I never said or suggested any such thing.

Now you're just making shit up, as I'd expected you would.

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Posted by AuRaptor on mbd.scout.com forums:


I noticed this a while ago about Obama, where he'll come out and say something to the effect that ... " Critics will tell you that my plan is going to ... ', or that " My opponents will say that .... "  Yes, they WILL tell you that, and there's  a reason....because that's exactly how they see it, and more times than not, youi're critics are correct! It's a tactic of stating the obvious, so much so, that it plays upon a shock value to deliver some sort of message. Like - " Hey... I know what you're saying about, and I'm here to show you how bold I am by putting it right back in your face. " Only with Obama, he can't  stop doing it! 

He did his little stunt again recently, where he commented during the SOTU address, where he said 95% of Americans got a tax cut. Fact was, 95% of Americans didn't get any tax cut, and there was some obvious head turning and open chuckling about that remark from Congress. 

He gave a one time tax CREDIT, with no reduction in tax rates, for  much of the population. Technically speaking, many paid a tiny fraction less in taxes, but that $$ was made up for sticking it to the rich, and on the backs of our children, as part of the Stimulus boondoggle. 

But to the point, Obama blurts out a strongly held belief or a fact, as if some how putting it out there in any way  lessens or debunks the fact.

It doesn't, but it sure is a nifty way of trying to control the talking points.

I noticed this sort of parlaying when shopping for a car once. I told the "sales manager " that I was just looking around, seeing what is available. He scoffed at me,and  in a very matter of fact, cocky  tone said ... 

" You've heard somewhere that if you don't accept the first offer, and to not buy on your first visit, that you'll get a better deal later on, is that right ? "

His ploy was to "stun" me into thinking... .wow, he knows my hand....I go no shot at dealing w/ this master mind.....what ever shall I do ?

I replied..." Yeah, that's EXACTLY what is going to happen. I'm not buying today, but thanks for your time", smiled, and  walked out.

I get annoyed when sales weasels do that sort of ..."stuff ".   I sort of expect it, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.


When my President does that..... it really pi$$es me off.  Another reason to loathe this glorified communitiy organizer. 


That, and of course, because he's  black.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Weird how Auraptor feels he can be honest in that forum but not here.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
YESSSSS!!!

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout! It absolutely WILL collapse.

Are people going to get hurt? Absolutely. But that's going to happen regardless.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You say "forestalls" and I say "hastens"... tomato, to-mah-to... :)

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Posted by AuRaptor:


kwickie

You're flat out dirt stupid.

Sarcasm not reached your neck of the woods yet?

After that lengthy post, full of explanation, examples and crystal clear detailing of why this President, MY President, is such a disapointment.... you STILL don't get it.

Alas,( SNAP! goes the trap- again! ) as expected, all YOU see is...

Obama's black, so the white guy doesn't like him.


Amazing. The same trap caught you two times.

Dunno whether I should laugh at you or show pity.

Meh..... I'll laugh.

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A clear sign you're deluded or flat out dirt stupid.

I never said or suggested any such thing.

Now you're just making shit up, as I'd expected you would.

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Originally posted by SergeantX:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You say "forestalls" and I say "hastens"... tomato, to-mah-to... :)

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Those words are opposites.

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This bill does damage to real people and enriches the stockholders of the insurance industry while they plan their exit strategy. WE are the sacrificial lambs.

Obama is serving us up to them on a platter and if this passes I intend to do everything I can think of to fuck up their plans and undermine the system.

SergeantX

"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're lying when you say I lied.

I never did say I was bummed that we elected a black person.

So you lied.

Seems you're never going to learn.

You might as well die now.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:


You said you were PISSED because he's black.

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I never said you were "bummed"; you're making THAT up. I said it bugged you.

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You said it pisses you off. I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one. But keep back-pedaling and changing your excuses. Oh, and keep editing your posts; I'm on a Mac - a screenshot is just a command-shift-3 away! :)

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And I know you wish I would just die so your life would be easier, but I simply can't oblige you.

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I think maybe I should make the screenshot of your post part of my signature, so everyone on the site can see you for the racist you truly are...

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And you're too fucking stupid to even understand the concept of 'back peddling'. I'm not back peddling! I never denied what I said, never denied it was anyone else who said it ( like you pretending to be me ,for example ) I'm owning up to it, totally and completely, as it was originally posted.

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When my President does that..... it really pi$$es me off.  Another reason to loathe this glorified communitiy organizer. 

That, and of course, because he's  black.

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... since you won't evolve, grow or show the least bit of ability to enlighten yourself, you're essentially useless. So you might as well go ahead and die.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

I don't think the word "most" means what you think it means. You keep saying "most" when you really mean "some".

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I hate the Bill. I hate the corrupt process that has been used to keep it alive. I hate the idea of the Govt hiring 16,000 new IRS Agents to monitor and enforce the draconian mandate that everyone must buy health insurance. These agents will be just another un-wanted intrusion into our personal and business lives....

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Here’s a rundown, sent over by the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which commissioned the polls:

* In Nevada, only 34% support the Senate bill, while 56% support the public option.

* In Illinois, only 37% support the Senate bill, while 68% support the public option.

* In Washington State, only 38% support the Senate bill, while 65% support the public option.

* In Missouri, only 33% support the Senate bill, while 57% support the public option.

* In Virginia, only 36% support the Senate bill, while 61% support the public option.

* In Iowa, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option.

*In Minnesota, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option.

* In Colorado, only 32% support the Senate bill, while 58% support the public option.

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But good for you both to keep sticking to your faith in Pelosi and Reid.

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"People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome."

to which Nancy Pelosi would respond......."We're not telling them what to think, we're just showing them how."

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Jongsstraw,
I read your posts and generally like them, but I don't understand why you waste your time trying to play nice with the Liberals here. Every Conservative that was ever here has been down that road before, and everyone has been attacked and cursed at by them in return. I admire your attempt at civility, but they will only continue their partisan ways despite anything you write. Every day, every single day they post biased and hateful posts about Fox News and Republicans. They deny or ignore the same or worse stuff within the Democrat Party. They obviously just cannot live in a world with Fox News around to explain their lies, and explain their their faults. They're all very petty, and blinded by delusional ideology, and it's only a matter of time before you say something here that will have them all at your throat like wild dogs. But good luck though with your Mahatma Ghandi approach. It won't last too long.

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Every day, every single day they post biased and hateful posts...

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Your problem isn't with the meddling or the telling you how to think; it's with who's doing the meddling and telling. As long as you obey your corporate masters, you think they'll reward you. You're wrong, but by the time you figure that out, you'll likely be DEAD wrong.

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

Jongsstraw,
I read your posts and generally like them, but I don't understand why you waste your time trying to play nice with the Liberals here. Every Conservative that was ever here has been down that road before, and everyone has been attacked and cursed at by them in return. I admire your attempt at civility, but they will only continue their partisan ways despite anything you write. Every day, every single day they post biased and hateful posts about Fox News and Republicans. They deny or ignore the same or worse stuff within the Democrat Party. They obviously just cannot live in a world with Fox News around to explain their lies, and explain their many faults. They're all very petty, and blinded by delusional ideology, and it's only a matter of time before you say something here that will have them all at your throat like wild dogs. But good luck though with your Mahatma Ghandi approach. It won't last too long.

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
They're all very petty, and blinded by delusional ideology,

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Jongsie, where you have it wrong is when you make the leap from people having problems with this bill to assuming that they oppose healthcare reform of any kind.

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Poll after poll after poll shows that MOST Americans want a public option included.

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So while I'll concede that THE SENATE BILL - which is NOT the final bill in its final form - has strong opposition, I question the reasons you assign to that opposition. You claim a majority don't want ANY changes, but polling clearly shows that that's wrong. Of course, you're fudging your numbers by only polling those WHO HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE, which leaves out a sixth of our population. Funny how people who don't want anyone messing with a sixth of our economy don't have a problem at all with abandoning a sixth of our people.

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I've posted REPEATEDLY here and elsewhere that I'd love to see them both ousted, so where you come up with that as equating to my "faith" in them is beyond me, because I've never HAD any faith in those two.

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Your problem isn't with the meddling or the telling you how to think; it's with who's doing the meddling and telling. As long as you obey your corporate masters, you think they'll reward you. You're wrong, but by the time you figure that out, you'll likely be DEAD wrong.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Pot, meet Kettle.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

You haven't been around here much RL so I will not go into a long explanation of why you are wrong. I'll just say that what you do here is a meaningless use of time

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You haven't been around here much RL so I will not go into a long explanation of why you are wrong. I'll just say that what you do here is a meaningless use of time

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Ok Meghan McCain, enjoy your brief reign as useful idiot for the Left.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Your problem isn't with the meddling or the telling you how to think; it's with who's doing the meddling and telling. As long as you obey your corporate masters, you think they'll reward you. You're wrong, but by the time you figure that out, you'll likely be DEAD wrong.

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No, YOU'RE wrong, Kwickie. The Leftist are the ones doing the meddling here. No where did the founders of this country intend that every citizen be COMPELLED, under the force of law, to purchase healthcare. That's what you don't get. That this Gov't take over of healthcare is fundamentally ANTI-American.

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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And far more folks die FROM Gov't care than die w/ out it. So spare us the petty threats of DYING while paying homage to big corporations.

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