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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Chris: You forget, all of the male characters on Firefly were rapists who represented male power, Serenity is a symbol of phallic worship, and the relationship between the black characters and white characters was a call-back to civil war era slavery.

Discuss.

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Huh?

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As for every black character in the Firefly/Serenity universe being a complete nut-job and/or dick... I can't explain that away. I didn't write it.... I just watched it.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

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Huh?

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http://users.livejournal.com/_allecto_/34718.html

Enjoy.

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As for every black character in the Firefly/Serenity universe being a complete nut-job and/or dick... I can't explain that away. I didn't write it.... I just watched it.

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...Yeah, I've actually noticed that with Book's backstory and Jubal and the Operative, Joss is leaning quite a lot on the scary black man archetype. Fair observation.

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I'm probably just jaded now. I'm about 2 1/2 seasons deep into "The Vampire Diaries".

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
all of the male characters on Firefly were rapists

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
all of the male characters on Firefly were rapists

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Males are inherently rapists

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who represented male power

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Male power; simplistic & destructive, mostly

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Serenity is a symbol of phallic worship

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More like, Godfather horse-head worship glued to a Trek spaceship...

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and the relationship between the black characters and white characters was a call-back to civil war era slavery.

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Oh I SEES that, massa Byte!

BTW, offended yet, Mike?

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

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I'm probably just jaded now. I'm about 2 1/2 seasons deep into "The Vampire Diaries".

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Oh FUCK. You win. ABORT!

*tosses "best troll is best" crown at Jack's feet and RUNS*

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
So, big money question, why do you suppose you can't be offended?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
So, big money question, why do you suppose you can't be offended?

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Don't know, but it's been informative watching the responses and learning what others think is "offensive".


Perhaps I've realized that (a) I have no inherent right to not be offended, so whining about things that offend me is just more bitching and moaning, and (b) I've just lost some ability to be shocked at the behavior of my fellow man over the years. I've pretty much seen it all, and it hasn't harmed me.

I am the embodiment of "... but words will never hurt me." They are just words, after all.

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

I think this part of the forum largely exists because of behavior that people find offensive. Usually that behavior is being taken by political figures.

If I were a President, I could offend Mike by bombing somebody and asking him to pay for it.

And he'd come here to complain about my offensive acts.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Dr. Beach is IN: I thought maybe you'd say that you had things or people in the past that you had invested serious emotions in, that were either broken or taken or lost, and to protect yourself from that pain ever happening again you decided that you just wouldn't invest those kinds of emotions, you'd wrap your psyche in an impenetrable blanket of emotional indifference... can't lose something if you don't have it.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Usually that behavior is being taken by political figures."

I find corporate figures to be much more offensive.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
So Anthony wins. None of the rest of us thought of that; what does that say about us, I wonder? That we thought he'd be offended by personal insults or insults to Firefly, and never thought about what is TRULY offensive in this world? Not just the paying for it, either, but how governments and militaries have the right to massive slaughter. In other words, what's offensive IN REAL LIFE.

Interesting.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
It's not what we SAY that can or hurt, but rather what we DO.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

I find that the latter often gives the orders to the former. If there's killing to be done, it's easier for corporate figures to have political figures give the order than it is for them to do the work themselves. They've even outsources slaughter to the lowest bidder.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
1kiki: Not necessarily. The US military and it's contractors are some of the biggest polluters in existence. Incinerators and weapons tests? Chemical dumping? Foreign labour and resource exploitation? They do it all.

And they aren't even required to clean up on the lands they vacate in the US, they call them Formerly Used Defense Sites and they're given to the US Army Corp of Engineers for indefinite "management" while the residents start to get sick (usually cancer) as the land gets developed.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm not sure what it says about "us" in general, or as a species, but for me, it illustrates quite vividly the idea that words cannot offend me; it's the actions which count. It's not what we SAY that can help or hurt, but rather what we DO.

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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:


So what exactly has Auraptor done, which actions specifically, do you find so offensive?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What is it, exactly, that makes you think Rappy has offended me?


Amused me, certainly; been the butt of many jokes, most assuredly; but offended me? Hardly.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What is it, exactly, that makes you think Rappy has offended me?


Amused me, certainly; been the butt of many jokes, most assuredly; but offended me? Hardly.

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Just assumed your vigourous attacks against both Auraptors positions and his character where based on something more substantive than simple amusement.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What is it, exactly, that makes you think Rappy has offended me?


Amused me, certainly; been the butt of many jokes, most assuredly; but offended me? Hardly.

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Just assumed your vigourous attacks against both Auraptors positions and his character where based on something more substantive than simple amusement.

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I spend some of my time correcting Rappy's many, many, many errors of fact, misstatements, disinformation, and outright lies, so that others won't accept what he says as fact without at least thinking it through.

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Ah, but you've posted before that you yourself will attack me for no other reason than that I rub you the wrong way.

Are you saying it's okay when you do it, but not when others do it?

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:

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Ah, but you've posted before that you yourself will attack me for no other reason than that I rub you the wrong way.

Are you saying it's okay when you do it, but not when others do it?

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Hello,

One could argue (and I shall) that 'offense' and being 'rubbed the wrong way' are two points on the same continuum.

--Anthony

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yup. This one's an eye-opener:

http://www.amazon.com/Full-Body-Burden-Growing-Nuclear/dp/030795563X

Listened to an interview with the author yesterday, and it was pretty freaking chilling.

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
One could argue (and I shall) that 'offense' and being 'rubbed the wrong way' are two points on the same continuum.

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Can I find a thing unpleasant without finding it torturous?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yup. This one's an eye-opener:

http://www.amazon.com/Full-Body-Burden-Growing-Nuclear/dp/030795563X

Listened to an interview with the author yesterday, and it was pretty freaking chilling.

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And yet, it wasn't the military that gave us Three Mile Island, or Chernobyl, or Fukushima. And Fukushima isn't even done yet. It's still humming away, reactor no 2 is spiking hydrogen. And we are one collapsed spent fuel pool away from having an uncontrolled open-air multi-ton reactor in spent fuel pool 4.

Here in California the San Onofre nuclear power plant, shut down after a nearly 2/3 billion overhaul resulted in tube wear that would normally take decades to occur, didn't happen b/c of some evil military operation. It happened b/c somebody wanted to make more money, changed essential designs, and passed them off as 'essentially identical' replacements.

This wasn't the military, it was business.

"Greg Werner, who headed the federal team, says a Mitsubishi computer analysis vastly misjudged how water and steam would flow in the reactors. Also, changes intended to improve manufacturing were never thoroughly reviewed in the context of the generator design ... The disclosure will rivet new attention on a series of alterations to the equipment design, including the decision to add 400 tubes to each generator and installing V-shaped supports that were intended to minimize tube wear and vibration. According to company documents, each of the replacement generators weighed nearly 24 tons more than the original generators.

The generators were designed to meet a federal test to qualify as "in-kind," or essentially identical, replacements for the original generators, which would allow them to be installed without prior approval from federal regulators. Inside the guts of the machinery, the original steam generators and the replacements "look substantially different," Collins says."

Has the military spilled as much oil in its entire existence as the single Macando blow-out?

Does the military pollute the ocean as severely as plastics, or worse, micro-plastics?

Did the military dump 1.3 million pounds of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) into the Hudson River, or anywhere for that matter, the way GE did in its manufacture of capacitors?

Do either of you have ANY data to back up your claims about the military?

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Do either of you have ANY data to back up your claims about the military?

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Does the military pollute the ocean as severely as plastics, or worse, micro-plastics?

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But I can't believe you're giving corporations a pass, on everything from pollution, to species destruction, to overuse, overfishing, overgrazing and overfarming, strip-mining and mountaintop removal and clear-cutting, to impoverishment of billions of people, and the deaths of untold others.

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You REALLY don't want to be growing a garden, or even breathing the dust. And this isn't just some isolated spots here or there, it's everywhere: towns, cities, roads across the US and the planet.

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:

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Can I find a thing unpleasant without finding it torturous?

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Mr. Raptor may not be the best basis for making such a determination.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Kiki, I'm sorry; I didn't realize it was a competition. I had some hopes that we could agree that military AND corporations are both "end polluters", and that neither should be give a free pass.

As the "owners" of the military, we should be able to hold them accountable, at least in theory.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Kiki, I'm sorry; I didn't realize it was a competition. I had some hopes that we could agree that military AND corporations are both "end polluters", and that neither should be give a free pass.

As the "owners" of the military, we should be able to hold them accountable, at least in theory.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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As long as people claim THE problem is government I will disagree. The focus on government as THE source of everything bad is simply untrue. Corporations kill more people, pollute more, and create more misery and destruction around the globe than the military ever has.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Oh Jack, jealousy does not become you. Start a new thread if you're feeling lonely.

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