And you thought OUR election was fun!! by Geezer

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And you thought OUR election was fun!!

POSTED BY: GEEZER
UPDATED: Saturday, December 4, 2004 15:07
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Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:21 PM

Geezer,
I think SignyM was talking about the conflict in Ukraine, not about personal feelings. While there can be parallels drawn between the claims and circumstances surrounding the two elections, theirs and ours in the U.S, I don't think any condemnation was intended against you for being independent.

It is true that during the election season, strongly decided people like me did feel a bit hostile towards people who right down to the wire hadn't made up their minds, but that was largely due to our frustration with not knowing what the outcome would be, coupled with confusion as to what could make it difficult to decide between the two men. They're similar in many ways, true, but morally they have completely different beliefs from one another, and different mental approaches to dealing with complex world problems. They're night and day on many subjects, so it would seem to be fairly obvious to a decided person; you look at your issues and the candidates' stances, and the combination suggests your pick for the election.

Post-election, the hostility towards undecideds goes away in favor of either jubilation that they went with your guy or shock and confusion, bewilderment and depression that they didn't. (Guess which category I was in.) The hostility is nothing personal, it's a passing emotion related to events which also pass and then you move on.

Except in Ukraine, it's looking more and more dangerous to disagree with anybody. Here in America, as much as it bites my butt, we are saved from that violent chaos by our complacency. We reserve that kind of behavior for Red Sox wins.

There is no such thing as a weed.

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Wednesday, December 1, 2004 3:26 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Unicorn:
Geezer,
I think SignyM was talking about the conflict in Ukraine, not about personal feelings. While there can be parallels drawn between the claims and circumstances surrounding the two elections, theirs and ours in the U.S, I don't think any condemnation was intended against you for being independent.

There is no such thing as a weed.

Not to worry. SignyM and I have a history of bare-knuckles brawl and then kiss and make up (Figuratively. I'm a happily married man!). I don't take it to heart, and I hope SignyM doesn't either. The internet is a strange place, where differences sometimes get blown all out of proportion because of the tight focus on them, while the common grould never gets talked about. I do know, despite what some here would say, that our debates do cause me to look at things differently, and be more aware of what's going on.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, December 1, 2004 5:44 AM

UNICORN

That's good.
And I know what you mean. Firefly has a mysterious way of bringing even die-hard Bush and Kerry supporters to the table, not always civilly, but hey, it's a table!

We should begin a new 'Let the Healing Begin' campaign, plugging Firefly right and left (pardon the pun) and touting its uncanny ability to bring people together. Because Joss is a uniter, not a divider!

Maybe he could run for a seat in the House...

There is no such thing as a weed.

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Wednesday, December 1, 2004 6:14 AM

CONNORFLYNN

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Originally posted by Unicorn:
That's good.
And I know what you mean. Firefly has a mysterious way of bringing even die-hard Bush and Kerry supporters to the table, not always civilly, but hey, it's a table!

We should begin a new 'Let the Healing Begin' campaign, plugging Firefly right and left (pardon the pun) and touting its uncanny ability to bring people together. Because Joss is a uniter, not a divider!

Maybe he could run for a seat in the House...

There is no such thing as a weed.

Amen to that! Speaking of Firefly hehe..This "Real world issues" board is alil bit similar to Mal finding a bluecoat bar on Independence day

hehehehehehe

I just started watching the series again! I love DVD's! I even convinced my Uncle-in law ( a self -proclaimed Marxist) to watch the series!

Sorry to get off on a FF tangent LOL.

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Wednesday, December 1, 2004 10:26 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

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we are saved from that violent chaos by our complacency

I'm rarely startled. You made my day with that gem.

Rue

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Wednesday, December 1, 2004 10:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So let's celebrate tables! And bare-knuckle brawls! And then let's have a few rounds (alcohol, not ammo

) and drink a few toasts to our browncoats-in-arms. It's not often that I get to disagree with someone as wily as Geezer- heh heh heh- and even if my blood pressure goes up I always learn something from him. And that is why I LOVE this site.

Cheers!

EDITED TO ADD: The interesting thing that I find about FF fans is that they tend to occupy opposite ends of the political spectrum. Darndest thing, isn't it? I'll bet Joss did that on purpose.

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Wednesday, December 1, 2004 8:08 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Quote:
let's have a few rounds (alcohol, not ammo)

HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha snort hee hee hee titter

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Thursday, December 2, 2004 3:07 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
let's have a few rounds (alcohol, not ammo)

HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha snort hee hee hee titter

[bevis voice ] She said titter[/bevis voice ]
[butthead voice ]Yeah. Titter. [/butthead voice ]

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, December 2, 2004 3:17 AM

CONNORFLYNN

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
let's have a few rounds (alcohol, not ammo)

HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha snort hee hee hee titter

[bevis voice ] She said titter[/bevis voice ]
[butthead voice ]Yeah. Titter. [/butthead voice ]

"Keep the Shiny side up"

ROFLMAO!!!

Beavis and Butthead...

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Thursday, December 2, 2004 3:25 AM

CONNORFLYNN

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Originally posted by SignyM:

EDITED TO ADD: The interesting thing that I find about FF fans is that they tend to occupy opposite ends of the political spectrum. Darndest thing, isn't it? I'll bet Joss did that on purpose.

Thats because it has everything anyone could ask for..

Cute chicks,Super Hot chicks, strong minded women , Good looking men, Humor, drama, violence, and feel goodness. How can ya miss?!

Oh did I mention guns and knives?! Yeah those too..and dinosaurs, can't forget the dinosaurs.

I saw an episode the other night where Mal and crew are walking through town and they walk by a food vendor, with a sign that says "Good Dog!!" as the cook is slopping meat onto a grill..ROFLMAO, I wonder how many PETA folks that are fans wrote letters about that one?

"The Human body can be drained of blood in 8.67 seconds, if the proper vacuum device is used" - River Tam

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Thursday, December 2, 2004 7:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

And guns, and slaves, and the EVIL CENTRAL GOVERNMENT, conspiracies, and really hot (OOOOH BABY!!!) guys (really hot- the whole thing bears repeating!!

) and strong women (that bears repeating too!) great special effects, and respect for military tactics and strategy (except in HoG

)) and revolution and God (or lack of) and great, really great theme song and...

YEAH!

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Friday, December 3, 2004 8:41 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Ukraine court annuls poll result

Ukraine's Supreme Court has annulled the second round of the presidential election - upholding opposition claims that it was fraudulent.
Presiding judge Anatoly Yarema said a new vote must be held by 26 December.

Supporters of the pro-Western candidate Viktor Yushchenko broke into cheers as the verdict was announced.

Mr Yushchenko went to court saying the vote had been rigged in favour of his rival - the pro-Moscow Prime Minister, Viktor Yanukovych.

The court criticised the election commission for not investigating allegations of fraud and ordered it to prepare a re-run between the two contenders.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4066617.stm

Damn. Looks like massive non-violent civil protest works. Cool.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, December 4, 2004 3:07 PM

EVILMIKE

I found a pretty interesting story about the US election.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/01/opinion/main658540.shtml

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