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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Okay then, do you support invading North Korea to provide them with the same liberal Democracy that was provided to South Korea? Keeping in mind such an invasion would mean a full on war with China.

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I really hope you aren't surprised when I say you don't read posts by other people. I've answered this several times. I answered it two posts back. I keep answering it. I'll answer it again, please have some semblance of courtesy this time, and bloody well read what I have written.

No, I do not support an Invasion of North Korea. Learn to listen to other people for a change please.

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Originally posted by rue:
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First of all, your facts - as usual - are wrong.

The Korean "War" wasn't a war. "In the United States, the conflict was officially termed a police action — the Korean Conflict — rather than a war, largely in order to avoid the necessity of a declaration of war by the U.S. Congress."

And it didn't end in peace. "The two Koreas remain technically at war since the 1950-53 Korean War ended in a cease-fire, not a peace treaty." http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2007/070531-iraq_rok-model.htm

So, if I get your argument right, you would see a divided Iraq, with one portion permanently housing US troops doing guard duty and still at war with 'insurgents' in other parts - as a success story.

And all because Bush said so - that Korea is a good model for Iraq. And you - without a thought to the fact that Korea is a divided country, at war, with an ongoing US presence patrolling the DMZ for over a half a century ! - went along with it !

he he he he he he he he he he ... I don't know what's funnier - Bush the moron using Korea as an example, or you the parrot repeating it.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
These wording things are small, but they're intentionally done. It sets a tone. This is what leads the Fox-brain-washed to dismiss any cautious words by someone like Petreus as something the “evil liberal left” has forced him to say, and deny the facts that every other news source carries.

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Originally posted by rue:
Pathetic commentary from the idiot who said: "The Korean war is over ..."

Gad, what a tool.

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do you support killing millions of people so you can say "I was right"?

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Originally posted by rue:
The US won the peace ...


Yes, peace has broken out all over the DMZ after over half a century of US forces patrolling the border - never mind the barbed wire, machine guns, tanks, military installations, probes from the North, continued US patrolling and the constant military and 'nukyular' threat N Korea poses. Yes, that went well. Peace is everywhere.

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Originally posted by rue:
"Not everywhere, but certainly in South Korea." Yeah, S Korea's at peace with within itself so all's right with the whole world. So long as they don't look north or think about anything.

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Originally posted by rue:
Finn

Your premise is that S Korea is at peace.

Clearly that's not so.

S Korea is on active military alert at all times - their economy is in fact a wartime economy, they are highly militarized and they have a large number of troops on duty whose sole occupation is defending their shared border with N Korea and their territorial waters.

How you can dismiss the situation of an entire nation to come up with some crappy self-congratulatory fantasy is seriously egotistical - and something most people know isn’t true.

So, yeah, go ahead - you look sillier all the time.

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Originally posted by rue:
I think you made my point for me.

You can't address the facts of your own argument.

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Originally posted by rue:
Been thinking some more on that.
According to Finn, E and W Germany had normal relations despite that little wall with guards and such. Also, Israel and Lebanon are at peace because they never declared war. N Korea is at peace with S Korea, unless Finn wants to call N Korea an axis of evil. Isreal and the Gaza strip are at peace with normal relations b/c they signed a truce a while ago, just like N and S Korea did, and despite a wall going up.

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Originally posted by rue:
Then Finn seems to not know about a muscular DMZ between the 2 Koreas and across which nobody travels, which doesn't exactly auger peace between the sides. Does it.

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Originally posted by rue:
Finally - it only took forever for you to admit that. Korea is NOT at peace. It's in a state of active perpetual military stand-off with N Korea.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
(A) I know you believe what you are doing is noble sir... You're out there doing your thing and bringing "Democracy" to the ignorant masses of the Middle East.

(B) I'm sure the world will be a better place when they're all masturbating to Afghani Idol every week and text messaging their friends about how funny the "Soup Nazi" episode of Saudifeld was last night.

(C) It's called imperialism, my man. The very thing this country was formed to fight against originally.

(D) The very thing our forefathers said we had no business getting into.

(E) You boys and girls are over there fighting a war against people pre-emptively and meanwhile our country is being invaded by illegals from Mexico and nobody is doing a goddammed thing to stop it. By the time we finally bring the troops back, it won't even be their country anymore.

(F) They don't want us there...

(G) ...imperialism is not our business...

(H) ...and quite frankly, I'm getting pretty tired of funding this "war" myself.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:

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Originally posted by USMCHellraiser:
About Iraq:

The American Military has done an excellent job there, and continues to do so...

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Thanks for your service Hellraiser.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

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Hell, more people die in Detroit in a month than in the entire COUNTRY of Iraq.

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I can't imagine how you came up with that.

THe problem is that while our armed forces- you included- may be idealists our fearless leaders are anything but. I have no bone to pick with you sir, but just watch what happens to Iraqi oil when all is said and done.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
No it's not.

Detroit has cable TV.

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Originally posted by rue:
Briefly back to this

No, actually I wasn't even reading Citizen's posts. I just object to propaganda, whether intentional like Geezer or silly and misguided, like you.

The picture you paint is of long-term US benevolent interest against the evil NK's.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So you claim that the Korea War wasn’t a success because it failed to unit the Korean Peninsula under a single government (as if somehow that is important by itself), yet you’re unwilling to support uniting North and South Korea under a liberal democracy, as South Korea developed as a direct result of the Korean War. The only other option is that you feel the Korean War should have resulted in Northern Communist Korea dominating Southern Korea, in which case all of the Korean Peninsula would then be united, albeit starving and Stalinist.

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Originally posted by mazaen:
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do you support killing millions of people so you can say "I was right"?

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The only time to kill people is to kill them back if they try to kill you first. It's important to pick the right person though. I mean you could have some twins that are murderers in front of you. One of them tries to shoot you. What if the twins swapped? You'd have to make sure you killed the right twin.

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Originally posted by citizen:

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So you claim that the Korea War wasn’t a success because it failed to unit the Korean Peninsula under a single government (as if somehow that is important by itself), yet you’re unwilling to support uniting North and South Korea under a liberal democracy, as South Korea developed as a direct result of the Korean War. The only other option is that you feel the Korean War should have resulted in Northern Communist Korea dominating Southern Korea, in which case all of the Korean Peninsula would then be united, albeit starving and Stalinist.

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So you claim Iraq is a success right now, because not every inch of it is a war zone? Seems stupid to me, but since success is when Finn says that's it...

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Originally posted by rue:
"Actually, I’m not claiming anything about Iraq." Very stange Finn, I could have sworn you yourself were using Iraq/ Vietnam/ Korea comparisons here:

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Originally posted by rue:
Ya know Finn, you like to think of yourself as a decent person, but I don't know how you can get past all the childish lying you do to come up with that conclusion. Really, you're starting to go the way of Rap. XXX out reality like he does and you're going to end up like him. And when you do I'll say "I told you so".

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Actually, I’m not claiming anything about Iraq. Korea is this little peninsula West of Japan. You’ve seen pictures. Iraq is down there between Syria and Iran. That’s a different country from Korea. You’ll notice that in the paragraph you’re supposedly responding to, there is actually no mention of Iraq, so I can’t be claiming anything about Iraq. Read it yourself.

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Why not? Isn’t all well in Japan? South Korea? Germany? Those are countries we didn’t give up on at the last minute.

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Actually, I’m not claiming anything about Iraq.

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How many here like the idea of 50+ years of intervention in Iraq ? To make it just as "liberal" and "peaceful" as Korea with it's own DMZ and under constant threat ? Even though this was all about WMDs Iraq didn't actually have. Raise your hands.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

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Actually, I’m not claiming anything about Iraq.

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is plain BS. Sorry dude, but you need to rethink your argument.

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Originally posted by citizen:
As for Iraq, I thought you were the one who brought up a possible comparison with Korea so its hard to see why bringing Iraq up is so surprising to you. Further I did ask whether you would consider a similar situation in Iraq a success, that is half the country becoming a starving Stalinist state. You didn't answer, too afraid of the question perhaps? Either way I'm forced to guess, if you're unwilling to state you're position, you can't blame others when they get it wrong. The assumption that you'd consider the above hypothetical a success seems to be fair, you consider an identical situation in Korea an "unmitigated success" after all. If the two situations require different logic, that's fairly compelling evidence that your logic is faulty.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The Korean war was fought to protect an existent partition. There is no such partition in Iraq nor was the Iraq war fought to protect any partition, except for the current borders of Iraq. So the faulty logic is actually your assumption that they are “identical situations.” They are not.

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And therefore it is not a fair assumption that I would consider partitioning Iraq, which I do not.

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Most of the discussion here has been over when the Korean War ended, something that has pretty much been well establish in history.

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If we can’t agree on such a critical and well established event that occurred decades before the Iraq war even started, then it seems unlikely that we will have much success delving into a much more difficult issue.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Really? Okay Einstein, why don’t you point out for us where I’m claiming anything about Iraq in the post that Citizen quoted?

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