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Great news for the fat kids of Boston

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Friday, May 30, 2014 7:42 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Broken bone? Golden!
Bacterial pneumonia? Golden!

It's only when you're out of that 85/85 that you run into trouble. Even then, for successful treatment it's still necessary (in most cases) to find an insightful doctor- one who is a research MD PhD or who is willing to do research for you. The treatment that I found online worked, but only for a while, and the side effects were so awful for our dd she couldn't stay on that regimen. Fortunately, we lucked into an MD PhD, and after a few years he took a flyer on a unique approach and it worked. He told us he was going to write a paper on it.

yeah, agreed. There is a lot of modern medical stuff that I thank my cotton socks for, so I'm not as negative as a lot of you here. Basically, I'd have been dead now without pathology and ultrasounds for use in diagnosis.

However, I do see that there are conditions that mainstream medicine struggles with. Fybromyalgia and chronic fatique are a couple that spring to mind.

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Saturday, May 31, 2014 4:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

MAGONS

About salt. For a variety of reasons I'm firmly convinced that our evolutionary heritage was at the seashore at some point. The most common micronutrient deficiencies in the world (according to the UN) are iodine, A, and D (all commonly found at the seashore); and omega-3 fatty acids (found in fish). In addition, there are deep biochemical reasons to suspect that we're adapted to seashore living- specifically, the cystic fibrosis gene which mishandles chloride ion transport thru cell walls. It is such a basic and conserved function that animal models of CF were damn-near impossible to find (before knockout genes), the interpretation being that the human genome was in the process of significant remodeling at some point in evolutionary history. In addition, humans - unlike most terrestrial mammals- don't have a "cutoff switch" for salt.

Anyway, if we did indeed evolve at the seashore, everything we ate was with a large dollop of ... salt. Salt - sodium, specifically- does a lot of things. It works with insulin to shuttle sugar and amino acids through cell walls. It supports blood volume and heart and kidney function. Recent studies indicate that very low salt intake is actually HARMFUL to some people.

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20140402/cdc-salt-guidelines-to
o-low-for-good-health-study-suggests
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/1928/20130514/new-salt-study-q
uestions-low-sodium-diet-really-necessary.htm

Hubby runs into this problem over and over. He's a salt waster. He sweats profusely when he exercises and has a rime of salt build up on his neck and head, and a film of salt crystals everywhere else. At one point, his blood pressure was shooting up and dropping down; every time he exerted himself his heart would stumble and stutter and he'd turn gray. He was tested for all kinds of rare conditions by a cardiac endocronologist (seriously) including carcinoid syndrome and pheochromocytoma and put on all kinds of BP medicine and told in no uncertain terms to cut down on his salt!. This dragged on for about 8 months. We wound up taking a BP cuff with us every time we went to play tennis.

At some point, I asked hubby what he ate, added up all the sodium, and realized that he was well below any reasonable amount, so I went into the kitchen and made him eat the saltiest thing I could find (ham) and then went out and got the saltiest thing he liked (pickles). Now, whenever he starts to get droopy and fatigued with exercise, we get out the salty food!

It's not like I haven't had the opposite experience. We also took care of my MIL who was dx with congestive heart failure, and one of the requirements was that she cut back on both salt AND fluid.

The point being, MOST people are not "salt sensitive". The recommendation that everybody should cut back on salt is, as far as I can tell, nothing more than an exercise in mathematical correlation. It's like telling everyone to take Lipitor. For MOST people, it's misdirected and probably harmful advice.

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As far as doctors and rare diseases... Anything ending in "syndrome" means "We don't know WTF is going on". No idea of the actual cause, no idea of the real cure. That includes Chronic Fatigue "Syndrome". And a lot of times, even when they have a name (sepsis, fibromyalgia, autism) they STILL don't know what's going on!

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Saturday, May 31, 2014 5:20 AM

AGENTROUKA

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
The fact that most of us now eat our main meal in the evening, which somehow we are required to cook and clean up for after work in most cases has been a massive shift as well. Has that changed in Germany too? I know southern Europeans still tend to eat a bigger meal in the middle of the day.

Actually, there's some variety. Most Germans I know have a cold dinner: bread, cold cuts, veggies slices, etc. It's ultra-convenient for parents (no hurried cooking, especially with toddlers around) and working people alike. Usually, those people would have a big lunch in some form: cafeteria, restaurant, home-cooked, delivery crap.

Some, like my roommates, have the home-cooked deal in the evening, because someone has the time and inclination to prepare it. I just have a smaller, cold lunch to balance it: sandwich, fruit, yogurt.

I utterly agree about the big dinner being labor-intensive. For anyone without the time and help to do it during the work-week, I'd always recommend cold dinners: healthy, just as social, fraction of the time.

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Saturday, May 31, 2014 8:46 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

It's becoming common for people to have shorter or no lunch hour at all. A sandwich at the desk is very common. Very bad.

Signy. My Grandma loved salt. She'd pile it on her plate and dip food into it and when I had meals with her I did the same - it was delicious. She lived to 101 so her salt consumption clearly did her no harm, whereas it might have impacted someone else.

My issue is not with how much salt we add to our foods, its the amount of sodium that is in everything, so much so that people would struggle to actually work out the salt content of their diet.

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Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:15 AM

AGENTROUKA

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
It's becoming common for people to have shorter or no lunch hour at all. A sandwich at the desk is very common. Very bad.

Agree. At least you should be able to leave your desk. Not being able to take your mind off your work for half an hour or so is just inviting exhaustion.

There's a nice lunch-break sequence in a 1927 silent film ("Berlin: Symphony of a Metropolis" - they sure loved the word metropolis back then) which I enjoy. Everything just stops. Machines are shut off, offices close, people leave. Everyone is outside, eating, some are napping, there's coffee, cigarettes, chatter... and then, after a duration of free time, the wheels start turning again and worklife restarts. That seems pretty reasonable to me. It's not just about ingesting food, it's a real break. That has got to be more energizing than a snickers bar.

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 6:13 PM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
BTW, I know my advice is not welcome, but have you ever thought of eating more than two meals?

Yes, invariably that is the first thing people ask. When I eat more than two meals (and only one of those is slightly bigger than a snack BTW) I feel like I've eaten a load of gravel. It sits there like a weight for a couple days until I explode. And just like Ashton Kutcher found out, if I eat too much veggies I explode. My whole diet now revolves on the end product, shall we say. People also will think either I'm eating too much or really bad food. Mom put me on weight watchers at 12-14, so I know alllll about dieting. I never could lose enough weight, so a LOT of the time I didn't eat. If I could show you my high school transcripts, you'd see I never took a lunch period.

Every time I've ever brought it up with a doc they all say IBS. IBS is the standard for every bowel problem for people with low income, so they don't have to run tests. I have several theories about what the problems are, but since there isn't a viable treatment for either one, it makes no sense to get tested anyway. I'd need a intestinal transplant

I understand I don't fit people's weight blame methodology, and I totally get that there are a lot of people in denial and say they eat healthier than they do so they don't have to DO anything about it. Lord, I'd fix it if I could.....

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 6:36 PM

CHRISISALL

Oh Wish, I got nuthin' here. This is outside of anything I know. I feel like a jerk now. Sorry.

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Ultimately (after 8 years) I found her dx online.
She's being too modest - she did the dx just by accurately describing the eeg.

Most people will never know how much of a scam modern medicine is and they just keep portraying it as this all-knowing fix-all and it's a sad day when a person realizes what it could be, but isn't...
Medicine is a statistical rule of thumb exercise. As Signy called it 85/85. For many people nearly all of the time it's extremely useful, even life-saving. My mom had 9 siblings. Out of 10 children, only 5 survived. That would be us without medicine.
So, as much as it fails for some of us, I think it should be kept in perspective.

As to the sodium thing, i think it's not bad if we were to eat like our ancestors. I'm sure they periodically starved. And when they ate it was low fat (but the fat they ate was biologically active fat, not saturated storage fat), high fiber (they stuffed themselves with seaweed), and low carb. But after a lifetime of eating a highly abnormal diet, salt added to all the other items, takes its toll. IMO

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:11 PM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Oh Wish, I got nuthin' here. This is outside of anything I know. I feel like a jerk now. Sorry.

You didn't do anything...?I'm confused?
I don't really think of anyone here as jerks. At least here I see evidence of... trying. I haven't seen that much.
Sure, we all get annoying at times, but that's not limited to RWED or anything...

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Friday, January 1, 2016 6:35 PM

OONJERAH

It Works for Me

This post is just for the weight of it. NM my various other health
concerns, be they real or a product of my hypochondria.

I am a 5'4" female. For most/much of my adult life, I weighed 165 lbs.
I had a large pot belly; folks sometimes asked when the baby was due.
I didn't try to diet it off, either, as I have No self-discipline. So if I can
do this, anyone can.

I now weigh between 125 - 135 lbs. I'll update with an accurate figure
when I can find a scale. What makes me think I lost so much weight? I
had to toss out my 3 largest pants sizes; my pot is nearly gone. Parts
of me are skinny with saggy skin.
Yeah, I don't work out.

It was the easiest diet in the world. Been on it 2.5 years. Probably at ideal
weight all this last year. The weight loss was gradual but apparent.

What foods did I quit? None. I still eat & overeat a mostly crap diet.

Instead, I added something. Yogurt.
I eat a cup of yogurt every evening before bedtime. I like yogurt.
It doesn't have to be yogurt, I'm told. Just any food that is high
in probiotics.

Examples:
•Sauerkraut Boosts Digestion.
•Miso Soup.
•Soft Cheeses.
•Kefir: Probiotic-Filled Drink.
•Sourdough Bread.
•Sour Pickles.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've found the meaning of life. It's in proBiotics.

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Friday, January 1, 2016 9:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Hm. Any special kind, any special brand?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Friday, January 1, 2016 10:20 PM

OONJERAH

99% of that was Brown Cow. But the price suddenly went from $0.99 to $1.29.
So I'm stocking the cheaper stuff now.
I also have developed a taste for sourdough bread. I tend to binge on bread.
I eat a lot of fat, preferring almond butter mixed with honey.

I also believe in dietary individuality. Body-type diet.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Friday, January 1, 2016 10:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Thanks for letting me know. I'll try to find brown cow down here and give it a try.

There's a theory that our gut bacteria drive our metabolisms - that if we harbored better bacteria our metabolisms would be better. Is that true? No one knows. And ... WHAT bacteria, exactly? So I'd like to experiment with as close to the mix of bacteria as you were using. Very generally, I LIKE trying new things just to see what happens.

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Friday, January 1, 2016 10:56 PM

OONJERAH

Are Happy Gut Bacteria Key to Weight Loss?
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/04/gut-microbiome-bacteria
-weight-loss
Happy microbes skinny jeans
Mother Jones News, 2013

I ate yogurt occasionally? Once a week? After I read the article above, I started to eat it daily.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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