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Arizona Rep. Giffords shot, several wounded
Sunday, January 9, 2011 3:35 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni: Quote:Originally posted by canttakesky: Quote:Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni: Too bad Loughner wasn't a better shot.... Well maybe I'll lurk again in a few months, or if more good news occurs...I am so sorry for asking. I don't know you well enough to know if you are being sarcastic, or if you are serious. I'm just wondering. Thanks. If someone were to advocate this position seriously, it would imply the "good" thing to do is to kill every legislator who voted the same votes to keep the wars going. I can't imagine anyone advocating that seriously. Can't Take (my gorram) Sky ------ Everything I say is just my opinion, not fact.
Quote:Originally posted by canttakesky: Quote:Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni: Too bad Loughner wasn't a better shot.... Well maybe I'll lurk again in a few months, or if more good news occurs...
Quote:Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni: Too bad Loughner wasn't a better shot.... Well maybe I'll lurk again in a few months, or if more good news occurs...
Sunday, January 9, 2011 3:39 PM
Quote:As to the shooting itself, it kind of appalls me a mite that no one shot back, as Arizona isn't as hostile to CCW as most states, but then again this was a crowded shopping mall parking lot and it's quite likely anyone who was packing didn't have a clean shot or was more focused on getting people into cover and safe, which I can completely understand - some folk *did* tackle his ass and disarm him, mind you, an act of personal heroism which has been completely overlooked by everyone else within this discussion, and I find that a mite offensive.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 3:44 PM
GINOBIFFARONI
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: this was a crowded shopping mall parking lot and it's quite likely anyone who was packing didn't have a clean shot or was more focused on getting people into cover and safe, which I can completely understand - some folk *did* tackle his ass and disarm him, mind you, an act of personal heroism
Quote:Incestuous gay jew S&M pedophiles with bad hair at SPLC blame Ayn Rand, David Icke and Reptilian V's for Arizona Shooting Because Loughner allegedly posted statements about gold and silver-backed currency on his MySpace and other postings, Mark Potok further connects Loughner to right wingers on this point; however, it is the Constitution, in Article I Section 10, which demands that “No State shall… make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.” http://www.infowars.com/splc-blames-ayn-rand-david-icke-and-others-for-arizona-shooting/ Kosher SPLC lawyer Morris "Dees" Seligman is a "homicidal adulterous pedophile who committed incest" according to his wife in divorce court http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/even_with_morris_dees.html http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/MorrisDeesDivorcePapers.pdf
Sunday, January 9, 2011 3:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni: MAGONSDAUGHTER, people are dying everyday... and have been going back to where to US started on this course some 60 years ago... Rappy just holds to the belief those lives have no value because they are not Americans. " Congresswoman, wife to astronaut, mother of 2 " who happened to enable, aid and abet before and after the fact, and cheer on the murder / maiming / torture of hundreds of thousands. All kinds of war criminal have familys doesn't make them less guilty. No man is above the law and no man is below it: nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it. Theodore Roosevelt
Sunday, January 9, 2011 3:52 PM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:I wonder what you all will have to sayNobody is saying that Loughner belonged to the tea party. But he certainly was influenced by crazy-talking RWERz like Glenn Beck, and O'Reilly, Hannity, and Limbaugh, and the rest of the untethered, spittle-spraying, violence-inciting crowd. The only violence they incite is in those who want to shut them up. I note for the record that there is no evidence that he was influenced by Beck, O'Reilly, or anybody. There is no evidence he even knew or heard of Palin's desire to defeat certain Dems in the last election. All we know is what he said in his postings and notes which says he was influenced by his crazyness more then the political rhetoric. From his profile he was far more likely to be a listener of Jon Stewart then O'Reilly or Beck. H "Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009. "I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.
Quote:I wonder what you all will have to sayNobody is saying that Loughner belonged to the tea party. But he certainly was influenced by crazy-talking RWERz like Glenn Beck, and O'Reilly, Hannity, and Limbaugh, and the rest of the untethered, spittle-spraying, violence-inciting crowd.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 4:06 PM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Sunday, January 9, 2011 4:07 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Sunday, January 9, 2011 4:17 PM
THEHAPPYTRADER
Sunday, January 9, 2011 4:25 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 4:33 PM
BIGDAMNNOBODY
Quote:Originally posted by rue: Oh, you are SOOoooooo so wrong. But hell, nothing new about that. LMAOROTF
Sunday, January 9, 2011 4:38 PM
Sunday, January 9, 2011 4:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: Oh, I figured this event would bring out the right-wing. And as I was reading along, I found you remembered me. Wow. I didn't know you cared. And you gave me a present. THANKS for being the idiot you are and providing me with a good laugh. At you of course.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:05 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Mike: I meant that Anthony is to some extent a RWer. Sorry for the confusion.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: This crystallizes the dichotomy and hypocracy of the Left, brilliantly. Remember: Tea Party movement is about how regular Americans are sick of paying too much in taxes and the government is too big and ineffectual = SETTING A DANGEROUS AND VIOLENT TONE. Why does a big, ineffectual government set a violent and dangerous tone. I don't see the link. Surely, if the government is big and ineffective, its big and ineffective. It's people who find that an affront akin to having Pol Pot as a leader that set the violent and dangerous tone by calling for armed revolution and resistance simply because they find themselves on the other side of political fence from that which was making policy. I've posted with Americans on several different boards now for the past 7 or so years. The hard line rhetoric has come almost exclusively from the right, the far right as I see it, at least where I have posted. The kind of views that initially supported wars of venegence on Iraq and Afghanistan for 9/11, who supported torture, indefinite incarceration, suspension of habeus corpus, who divided the world into us and them, you are with us or against us. Those same people have called for violence, even on these boards, not because of any of the above....no, all those outrages are fine, what really gets them steamed up is a policy which would provide basic healthcare for the population. Oh yes, that's the kind of moral outrage that would make them march to washington. The left, the left feel like the moderates to me, the ones who are trying to keep a sane voice in amongst a roar of insane ones.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: This crystallizes the dichotomy and hypocracy of the Left, brilliantly. Remember: Tea Party movement is about how regular Americans are sick of paying too much in taxes and the government is too big and ineffectual = SETTING A DANGEROUS AND VIOLENT TONE.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: Too bad Loughner wasn't a better shot. That's one of the more hateful, tasteless non PN remarks I think I've ever seen on FFF.NEt
Quote: Too bad Loughner wasn't a better shot.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: *Why does a big, ineffectual government set a violent and dangerous tone. I don't see the link. Surely, if the government is big and ineffective, its big and ineffective. It's people who find that an affront akin to having Pol Pot as a leader that set the violent and dangerous tone by calling for armed revolution and resistance simply because they find themselves on the other side of political fence from that which was making policy. I've posted with Americans on several different boards now for the past 7 or so years. The hard line rhetoric has come almost exclusively from the right, the far right as I see it, at least where I have posted. The kind of views that initially supported wars of venegence on Iraq and Afghanistan for 9/11, who supported torture, indefinite incarceration, suspension of habeus corpus, who divided the world into us and them, you are with us or against us. Those same people have called for violence, even on these boards, not because of any of the above....no, all those outrages are fine, what really gets them steamed up is a policy which would provide basic healthcare for the population. Oh yes, that's the kind of moral outrage that would make them march to washington. The left, the left feel like the moderates to me, the ones who are trying to keep a sane voice in amongst a roar of insane ones.
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: *Why does a big, ineffectual government set a violent and dangerous tone. I don't see the link. Surely, if the government is big and ineffective, its big and ineffective. It's people who find that an affront akin to having Pol Pot as a leader that set the violent and dangerous tone by calling for armed revolution and resistance simply because they find themselves on the other side of political fence from that which was making policy. I've posted with Americans on several different boards now for the past 7 or so years. The hard line rhetoric has come almost exclusively from the right, the far right as I see it, at least where I have posted. The kind of views that initially supported wars of venegence on Iraq and Afghanistan for 9/11, who supported torture, indefinite incarceration, suspension of habeus corpus, who divided the world into us and them, you are with us or against us. Those same people have called for violence, even on these boards, not because of any of the above....no, all those outrages are fine, what really gets them steamed up is a policy which would provide basic healthcare for the population. Oh yes, that's the kind of moral outrage that would make them march to washington. The left, the left feel like the moderates to me, the ones who are trying to keep a sane voice in amongst a roar of insane ones.
Quote: Remember: Tea Party movement is about how regular Americans are sick of paying too much in taxes and the government is too big and ineffectual = SETTING A DANGEROUS AND VIOLENT TONE
Quote:Making a movie about the assassination of George Bush = ART
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:26 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Thank you, Magons, for crystalizing the hypocrisy of the right so elegantly.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:30 PM
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: True. It's up there with The war has begun. Choose or perish. in terms of a response to a fatal shooting. Again, you miss the point. My remarks were in response to " fucking right wing assholes " and the hyper over reaction to Palin's ' hit list' and those trying to connect non existent dots. It absolutely wasn't in response to multiple deaths and woundings by a whacked out nut case.
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: True. It's up there with The war has begun. Choose or perish. in terms of a response to a fatal shooting.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Thank you, Magons, for crystalizing the hypocrisy of the right so elegantly.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Okay, enlighten me. Who in this country made a movie about assassinating Bush? Who on the American left made this "art" you speak so highly of? Someone IN ANOTHER COUNTRY made a movie dealing with the fictional death of a U.S. President. Meanwhile, THIS COUNTRY invaded another and ACTUALLY MURDERED ITS PRESIDENT, and you cheered that action. And you can't even tell who the bad guys are.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by TheHappyTrader: Damn, that is just wrong on... EVERY level. CTS your post shocked and revolted me back into posting on this thread. These Westboro Baptist are not behaving remotely Christian! It's infuriating low they will stoop and how much attention they get for it. Almost makes me wish someone would do something terrible to them, but that would only increase their power and influence.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Okay, enlighten me. Who in this country made a movie about assassinating Bush? Who on the American left made this "art" you speak so highly of? Someone IN ANOTHER COUNTRY made a movie dealing with the fictional death of a U.S. President. Meanwhile, THIS COUNTRY invaded another and ACTUALLY MURDERED ITS PRESIDENT, and you cheered that action. And you can't even tell who the bad guys are.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Quote:Originally posted by rue: Oh, you are SOOoooooo so wrong. But hell, nothing new about that. LMAOROTF Thanks for coming out of retirement for little old me. Fairly fortuitous that you happened to stumble across this thread which just happens to mention your name.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Quote:Originally posted by rue: Oh, I figured this event would bring out the right-wing. And as I was reading along, I found you remembered me. Wow. I didn't know you cared. And you gave me a present. THANKS for being the idiot you are and providing me with a good laugh. At you of course. No problem, it was the least I could do for someone hanging on my every typed word. Seriously, how did you respond so fast? And don't say you got a notification, I do not think that feature has been working in quite some time.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:52 PM
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:53 PM
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:57 PM
Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: So did the left say about the film 'what a great idea, let's do it, let's murder Bush' or did they say 'you can make films about what you want,even if the subject matter is abhorrent, because that is about freedom of speech'????
Sunday, January 9, 2011 6:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Okay, enlighten me. Who in this country made a movie about assassinating Bush? Who on the American left made this "art" you speak so highly of? Someone IN ANOTHER COUNTRY made a movie dealing with the fictional death of a U.S. President. Meanwhile, THIS COUNTRY invaded another and ACTUALLY MURDERED ITS PRESIDENT, and you cheered that action. And you can't even tell who the bad guys are. Country of origin is irrelevant. How the Left treated a movie about killing the President, OUR President, was the point. I knew you were too stupid to comprehend such a basic, straight forward concept. All the stars in the galaxy aren't enough to "enlighten" you.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 6:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: So did the left say about the film 'what a great idea, let's do it, let's murder Bush' or did they say 'you can make films about what you want,even if the subject matter is abhorrent, because that is about freedom of speech'????
Sunday, January 9, 2011 6:04 PM
Sunday, January 9, 2011 6:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Kwickie - I'm watching The Cape. I keep seeing 'Batman' though, but Summer is a bit distracting. Other than a couple of pts for misspelling a word or two, you have nothing of substance to add , so your remarks are all but predictable and boring. snore. " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Sunday, January 9, 2011 6:41 PM
KANEMAN
Sunday, January 9, 2011 6:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And likewise, thank YOU for coming out of hiding for little old ME, BDN! That's twice in a week you've poked your head out of your (or someone's) hole. Are you looking for your shadow, little groundhog?
Sunday, January 9, 2011 6:44 PM
Sunday, January 9, 2011 6:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Really? Works for me every day. I even get notifications on my phone if I want.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 8:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: tell me, kaneman, have you ever contributed anything remotely intelligent to any thread? All I see is the bile you spit that ruins every thread that you cake up.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 10:16 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:those that justify and even advocate murder are without human redemption.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 10:50 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:You posted that IMMEDIATELY AFTER I *mentioned* that Palin had put Giffords on a target list. There was no "hyper over reaction to Palin's hit list", except by you. Go up and look at the threads in order. Signy didn't post that "fucking right-wing assholes" snark until AN HOUR AFTER YOUR POST. Quit trying to backpedal and rewrite history. Your meaning was quite clear, and you were very proud of yourself, right up until people started calling you on your bullshit, at which point you started whining like the little bitch you are, and complaining that you're just misunderstood. Seriously, it's all right here in this thread.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 11:08 PM
Quote: that this looney was a far left liberal
Quote:Niki, you got that opinion/quote/idea directly, DIRECTLY from MSNBC and/or the article in the Washington Post.
Quote:They're getting reports from people who know him, he's a far left lib.
Quote: A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as “left wing” and a “pot head” in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon. Caitie Parker did not immediately respond to our request for an interview, but her “tweets” in the hours after the shooting paint a picture of Jared Loughner as a substance-abusing loner who had met Giffords before the shooting. She says, Loughner described the congresswoman as “stupid and unintelligent.” We’ve confirmed that Parker and Loughner went to school together at Mountain View High School in Tucson and that both attended Pima Community College, so her claims of knowing Loughner seem to be legit. Parker “tweets” that she and Loughner were in the band together and were friends until 2007 when he became “reclusive” after getting alcohol poisoning and dropping out of college. She describes him as “quite liberal” and as a “political radical.”
Quote:lets all recognize that the he's just another PirateNews strking out at the Gangsta Govt Commie-Jew-Nazi Member's of Her Majesty's Intenational Conspiracy.
Sunday, January 9, 2011 11:51 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Monday, January 10, 2011 6:31 AM
PEACEKEEPER
Keeping order in every verse
Monday, January 10, 2011 7:52 AM
Monday, January 10, 2011 8:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: It's not as bad as that, PK - and decent folk are armed too, one of the fellows who tackled the shooter was CCW, but he did not have a clean shot and made the decision to go hand to hand instead. Thing is, the nutjobs are *still* gonna have guns, if you remove them from the hands of honest people, all you're really doing is handing them over on a plate - our society is very different in that respect. It's still just a tool though, not applicable in all situations, nor a pancea for social ills whos resolution is an entirely different and unrelated issue, but the problem is no one wants to be reasonable about it, and those who DO want to reduce the amount of arms in our society always have motivations which preclude any cooperation from folk who get the (all too often correct!) notion that such folk want other folks to ground arms cause that makes em easier victims. Makes no sense to blame a mere tool when it's clear to me that severe mental illness, a lack of effective, available treatment, and a culture poisoned by fear and loathing is far, FAR more responsible than any mere device, however potent, could ever be. A nutter like this coulda caused just as much or more damage crashing his car into the crowd as that, and would we blame the availability and ubiquity of cars, then ? -Frem I do not serve the Blind God.
Monday, January 10, 2011 8:10 AM
Monday, January 10, 2011 8:15 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Monday, January 10, 2011 8:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Hard to watch, but important I believe. The father of the 9 year old who was killed says that we must NOT inpinge or infringe on our freedoms any further. That takes guts. It takes courage. Its also a poignant reminder of who we are as a people. "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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