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Here it is the libs are coming after our guns

POSTED BY: KANEMAN
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Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:02 AM

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Hello,

Well, perhaps if I ever retire to a foreign country to make my dollars go further, it will be Peru.

:-)

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

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Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Both gun topics still going on, eh? Amusing.

I'm not gonna read through the whole thing; like abortion, it's been done and done again and goes nowhere.

I went back up a couple, and I hate that chart. We got off on the wrong foot, sadly, and there's no going back. And it HASN'T decreased our crime to have so many guns.

I like Peru's laws, too, and found something interesting. In recent times, does anyone know of any country which used their "list" of gun owners to run around confiscating them? I think that's an interesting point, given it is one of the main ones made by the pro-gun folk. Why are so many of us so suspicious of our government that they think it can confiscate such a HUGE number of guns, when they can't deport a far smaller number of illegal aliens? Sure, they could have (or could) limit the number of guns people own from here on OUT, but I'm not sure how much good that would do at this point (especially given Mexican gun cartels have no problem getting tons of them, legally or illegally), but Americans would never allow them to be outlawed, and I don't believe the government would ever even ATTEMPT to round them up! That's a curious mentality, it seems to me.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"How did Vietnam win against us? How did Afghan win against the Russians? Hrldow are the Iraqis and Afghans still keeping us there?"

Economics - and world powers helping the smaller country as a way to fight 'proxy wars'. China allied to N Vietnam, the US supplying Afghanistan against Russia, Iran supplying Iraq against the US, and Pakistan allied to Afghanistan against the US. And, in Afghanistan and Iraq the IED is king. Home grown militias with home-financed guns aren't the answer you claim they are.

Oh, without the French the US would not have won the Revolution.

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Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Same can be said of the liberals, nanny staters or the label of your choice. Any one incident and omigawd, guns are evawl!!!! We're all gonna DIE! They're gonna GET US!"

Find me a quote anywhere that even implies this, OK? Otherwise I think you're just makin' shit up - again.

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Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:08 PM

CANTTAKESKY

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Home grown militias with home-financed guns aren't the answer you claim they are.

I never claimed they were answers.

I said they are deterrents against tyranny, a balance in power that would make a govt think twice before putting the jackboot on, an extra asset that improves the chances of negotiation.

Yes, maybe all successful guerilla warfare was conducted with foreign aid. But the fact that an armed civilian population may seek out foreign aid should give the govt pause before provoking an uprising, right?

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Everything I say is just my opinion, not fact.

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Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:10 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
In recent times, does anyone know of any country which used their "list" of gun owners to run around confiscating them?

Umm, Niki ?

It's not widely publicized, and getting a cite now will be especially difficult, but I mentioned before closer to the event, that during Katrina when they *DID* do such a thing...

They had a list.

Where do you think they got it, then ?

-F

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Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

CTS

You didn't SAY that the US won it's war, or N Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq theirs due to widely available small arms, you asked a leading question implying it. But you were wrong in your assumptions and now you're being just plain childish.

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Monday, January 31, 2011 3:48 AM

CANTTAKESKY

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
You didn't SAY that the US won it's war, or N Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq theirs due to widely available small arms, you asked a leading question implying it.

They couldn't have won on foreign aid alone, could they?

As is the case in most real life situations, more than one factor is required for a certain outcome. Small arms + foreign aid + smart tactical leadership + terrain + luck + whatever = successful guerilla campaign. But small arms are necessary to begin with, see? You take away small arms, and the rest of it doesn't matter.

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...now you're being just plain childish.

Riiiiight, back to personal attacks and name calling.

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Monday, January 31, 2011 5:26 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

They couldn't have won without anti-aircraft guns, tanks or cluster bombs either. The POINT is that individuals owning small arms was not the deciding factor you claim it was.

And - recognize this?

"Ah, so first, we (apparently, not you) are not imaginative enough, esp for sci-fi fans. Then, I am not realistic enough.

Since you appear to be the authority on the perfect balance between imagination and realism, why don't you share your vision, o wise one. So, you know, the rest of us unimaginative, yet unrealistic folk can see an example of what you are looking for."

Speaking of insulting and all, I've noticed it's often your go-to mode when you feel like someone hasn't abased themselves enough in stating an opinion that's different from yours. How dare they claim an opinion or knowledge from yours!

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Monday, January 31, 2011 1:20 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ahh, the gun debate, just like abortion, goes on and on. And on.

Yes, Frem, I see it did happen...but can you show me where it happened to an entire country? Nagin is...well, Nagin, and I can see one local official getting away with it...but do you truly believe it could happen to ALL gun owners in America? It's just not possible, as far as I can see, and will never happen.

I'm actually not surprised it wasn't given much media coverage. I can just imagine the furor all over the country (and from the NRA)...so many seem convinced the government's "coming after our guns", it's been such a loud cry for as long as I've been alive, I just don't buy it. Just my opinion.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Monday, January 31, 2011 1:47 PM

CANTTAKESKY

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
They couldn't have won without anti-aircraft guns, tanks or cluster bombs either. The POINT is that individuals owning small arms was not the deciding factor you claim it was.

Let's look at just one example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_the_Vietnam_War

Look at the list of weapons used against the Vietcong, and then look at what the Vietcong had. Now take out the list of small arms, and tell me they could have won without them.

I believe small arms ARE the deciding factor. They are essential; necessary but not sufficient.

But that wasn't the POINT I was making. The POINT is civilian small arms ownership is a deterrent to jackbooting the populace.

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Everything I say is just my opinion, not fact.

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Monday, January 31, 2011 4:34 PM

HARDWARE

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Same can be said of the liberals, nanny staters or the label of your choice. Any one incident and omigawd, guns are evawl!!!! We're all gonna DIE! They're gonna GET US!"

Find me a quote anywhere that even implies this, OK? Otherwise I think you're just makin' shit up - again.

Here ya go.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=47377

But we already established that you are a thread bombing troll, so fly away home under your bridge.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Friday, February 18, 2011 11:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I've been away for a while - speaking of trolls, you sure painted yourself like a nice one.

Is your link relevant? I looked - didn't find any liberal posters here calling for banning all guns, or even implying it ... what was your point, again? Or are you still making shit up, like usual?

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Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:04 AM

KANEMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I've been away for a while - speaking of trolls, you sure painted yourself like a nice one.

Is your link relevant? I looked - didn't find any liberal posters here calling for banning all guns, or even implying it ... what was your point, again? Or are you still making shit up, like usual?

You are a liar, a dirty filthy liar.

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