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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, you're denying that Saddam sent $$ to families of Hammas suicide bombers ? Are you denying tha Iraq harbored terrorist ? You're denying that Saddam had a hand an ANY terrorism what so ever before the spring of '03 ?? If that's what you're saying, then you're an idiot.

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I really think the key to getting of this mess is to drop this 'War on Terror' nonsense. Letting the neo-cons sell us that package deal is the biggest blunder we've made. You can't defeat a concept or a technique of conflict.

The only justifiable war is with Al-Qeada, they're the ones who attacked us. For all intents and purposes we've already won that war.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, you're denying that Saddam sent $$ to families of Hammas suicide bombers ?

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Are you denying tha Iraq harbored terrorist?

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You're denying that Saddam had a hand an ANY terrorism what so ever before the spring of '03 ?? If that's what you're saying, then you're an idiot.

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Oh, oh! Do I need a link for that too??

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
The US itself has supported terrorism when it has suited what it thought was its own interest...

As has Russia, and I suspect many of the other major powers... at what point is it all wrong ?

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George Bush Jr: "The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East."
Ken Herman: "What did Iraq have to do with it?"
George Bush Jr: "What did Iraq have to do with what?"
Ken Herman: "The attack on the World Trade Center."
George Bush Jr: "Nothing. Except it’s part of — and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq."
— ThinkProgress.org, "Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11," August 21, 2006
www.thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911/

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Al-Qaida terrorist has Jewish roots

Jerusalem Post
September 4 2006

A man who starred in a video released by al-Qaida's deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahri on Saturday, inviting Americans to convert to Islam, has been identified as Adam Yehiye Gadahn, an American with Jewish ancestry.

According to Wikipedia, he was born Adam Pearlman on September 1, 1978, the grandson of a prominent Jewish surgeon and the son of musician Phil Pearlman, who converted to Christianity and changed his named to Gadahn (apparently derived from the Biblical figure Gideon.) He grew up in Santa Ana, California, converted to Islam and, in 1995, posted an essay on the USC Web site describing his conversion. According to his parents, Gadahn moved to Pakistan in 1998, where he married an Afghani refugee.

The FBI believes he attended al-Qaida training camps in Pakistan and served as an al-Qaida translator and English spokesman.

It was the second time Gadahn has appeared in the same video with Zawahri. In a July 7 video marking the one-year anniversary of bombings against the London transit system, Gadahn said no Muslim should "shed tears" for Westerners killed by al-Qaida attacks.

www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525995106&pagename=JPost%2FJPA
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“The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders’ rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations.”
—Usama bin Laden (Saudi Arabian), CNN News, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
www.archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

"I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people."
—Usama Bin Laden, Ummat magazine, September 28, 2001

“On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, 202-324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said: 'The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11. Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11. The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11'”
—Ed Haas, Muckraker Report, "FBI says, 'No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'," June 6, 2006
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

Tony Snow: "I want to be clear because I've heard you say this, and I've heard the President say it, but I want you to say it for my listeners, which is that the White House has never argued that Saddam was directly involved in September 11th, correct?"
Dick Cheney: "That's correct. We had one report early on from another intelligence service that suggested that the lead hijacker, Mohamed Atta, had met with Iraqi intelligence officials in Prague, Czechoslovakia. And that reporting waxed and waned where the degree of confidence in it, and so forth, has been pretty well knocked down now at this stage, that that meeting ever took place. So we've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—WhiteHouse.gov, The Tony Snow Show, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006 (Snow was promoted to White House Press Secretary, then in May, all televised news conferences were cancelled for the remained of Bush Jr's presidency)
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

"Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is a longtime and prominent member of the FBI's 'Ten Most Wanted' list, which notes his role as the suspected mastermind of the deadly U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa on Aug. 7, 1998. But another more infamous date - Sept. 11, 2001 - is nowhere to be found on the same FBI notice. The curious omission underscores the Justice Department's decision, so far, to not seek formal criminal charges against bin Laden for approving al-Qaeda's most notorious and successful terrorist attack. The notice says bin Laden is "a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world" but does not provide details. The absence has also provided fodder for conspiracy theorists who think the U.S. government or another power was behind the Sept. 11 hijackings. From this point of view, the lack of a Sept. 11 reference suggests that the connection to al-Qaeda is uncertain. 'There's no mystery here,' said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. 'They could add 9/11 on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. There is a logic to it.' David N. Kelley, the former U.S. attorney in New York who oversaw terrorism cases when bin Laden was indicted for the embassy bombings there in 1998, said he is not at all surprised by the lack of a reference to Sept. 11 on the official wanted poster. Kelley said the issue is a matter of legal restrictions and the need to be fair to any defendant. 'It might seem a little strange from the outside, but it makes sense from a legal point of view," said Kelley, now in private practice. "If I were in government, I'd be troubled if I were asked to put up a wanted picture where no formal charges had been filed, no matter who it was.' Bin Laden was placed on the Ten Most Wanted list in June 1999 after being indicted for murder, conspiracy and other charges in connection with the embassy bombings, and a $5 million reward was put on his head at that time. The listing was updated after Sept. 11, 2001, to include a higher reward of $25 million, but no mention of the attacks was added."
—Dan Eggen and Sari Horwitz, Washington Post, "Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?" August 28, 2006

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The hardest part of Bush's job is remembering that soap is not edible.

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