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PirateNews and Child Porn

POSTED BY: HERO
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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 9:17 AM

HERO


In a recent thread PirateNews, well known for his crazy talk, driving while intoxicated, and tinfoil hats, posted several pictures depicting children bound and in apparent distress.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=24340

First, of all I want to note that such images have no place in a civil discussion on any topic. I will not be reproducing them here.

Second, such images are in violation of Federal Law.

Quote:


2)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), "sexually
explicit conduct" means actual or simulated -
(i) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital,
oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between
persons of the same or opposite sex;
(ii) bestiality;
(iii) masturbation;
(iv) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(v) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of
any person;


Clearly pictures of children bound and in obvious distress regardless of being real or staged violates section (iv) above.

Section 2251 of the US Code bars the use of children for: "any sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing any visual depiction of such conduct,

Further 2251A makes it a crime to: "1) knowingly mails, or transports or ships in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, any child pornography;"

AND MOST IMPORTANT TO FFF.NET, Section 2251A2 makes it a crime for the folk who run our beloved Firefly fansite to: "2) knowingly receives or distributes -
(A) any child pornography that has been mailed, or shipped or
transported in interstate or foreign commerce by any means,
including by computer; or
(B) any material that contains child pornography that has
been mailed, or shipped or transported in interstate or foreign
commerce by any means, including by computer;"

Lastly, Section 2258 requires me to report this to the FBI, which I have done. Actually its the local Ohio law which mirrors that Federal law...but I digress.

Anyway, thought you'd all want to know.

H




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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 9:37 AM

FELLOWTRAVELER


So, I guess I should edit that crack about downloading clerks... Will do. Thanks for the heads up!

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 9:41 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


So, Zero - YOU LOOKED !

Now, I believe that while PN is entirely sincere he is significantly deluded, and so, sad to say, I just scroll.

But you looked. Tell me, how long did you look?

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 10:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So we have someone on-board (Hero) who will defend to the death the right of an adult to "groom" and harass the underaged but who will inform the FBI about posted pix.

Nice.

Hypocritical, but nice.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 10:30 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
So we have someone on-board (Hero) who will defend to the death the right of an adult to "groom" and harass the underaged but who will inform the FBI about posted pix.

Nice.

Hypocritical, but nice.




Didn't see that post, so I can't discuss as to what was posted. However 1 question I do have....

Why does a Dem Congressman ( Gerry Studds ) admit to having sex w/ a 17 yr old male page, keeps his Congressional seat and even gets re-elected, but when it's a Republican ( Mark Foley) sending naughty IM's to a 16 yr old male page, immediatly resigns has now become the target for Dems and their phony cries of 'save the children'.

Where's the consitancy ?

And Signym, if what HERO posted is indeed accurate, how can you in any way chide him for pointing out that what PN did was not only wrong, but possibly illegal ? I don't know where you get the notion that HERO would 'defend to the death' anything near what you claim, but is that as far as your concern goes for what PN has done? Seems to me, if you had any sincerity in what you say, you'd congratulate HERO for his 'outing' of P.N.

For the record, I'm glad Foley resigned, and that he's not my Congressman.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 10:39 AM

RUE

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds

In 1983 Studds (D) ... and Dan Crane (R) were censured by the House of Representatives for separate sexual relationships with a minor – in Studds's case, a 1973 relationship with a 17-year-old male congressional page who was of the age of legal consent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Congressional_page_sex_scandal

He called a press conference with the former page, in which both stated that the young man was legal and consenting. Studds did not break any U.S. laws for that time, in what he and page called a "private relationship."[1] He continued to be reelected until his retirement in 1996.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Crane

After his 1982 re-election, Crane was charged with having a sexual relationship ... with an underage female congressional page and was censured by the House in 1983. Crane plead guilty to the charge and issued profuse, tearful apologies. He was defeated for re-election in 1984.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 10:46 AM

SOUPCATCHER


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Anyway, thought you'd all want to know.


Thanks, Hero. Good information.

I've found that even scrolling or page downing through PN's posts, I've seen far more than I ever wanted to see.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 11:00 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I don't think that adults should be having sex with teenagers. My personal feeling is that sexual relationships should be between people who are more or less equal. Teenagers, altho they may be of the "age of consent" simply do not have equal legal standing. They can't get jobs, vote, drink, enter into contracts, get health insurance, or do many of the other things that a full adult can do. Their brains are still chemically developing (up to about the age of 19) and their frontal lobes (the part where judgment resides) are still undeveloped. Furthermore, they are often sorely lacking in real-life experience and may still be deferring to authority or unable to draw boundaries.

Sex with people who aren't legal equals, with the mentally impaired, or when one partner has a natural disadvantage (such as bigamy) just smacks of exploitation and pushes certain buttons with me.

I'm not sure about the Studds case, but if that happened while the page was working for him, seems that would be a very winnable case of sexual harassment at the very least. If that happened afterwards... well, IMHO when very much older people have sex with teenagers it says something very negative about that person, whether it was legal or not.

As far as Foley is concerned, the fact that he was co-chair of Missing and Exploited Children, pushed vigorously for the Communications Decency Act (which BTW set the age at 16) and in general went on and on about protecting children, family values and all that just bespeaks a level of hypocracy that boggles the mind.

As far as PN is concerned- he mostly posts crap- but I'm sure the FBI would consider this chaff and a waste of their time.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 11:15 AM

FELLOWTRAVELER


Could be, but you might wanna' knock off the "Why I Hate Bush" stuff for a few days. With feds sniffing around and all...

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 11:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


rue - kudos for providing the particulars. Dunno what, if any laws Foley has broken, that remains to be seen. Just glad he's out of Congress.

Quote:

As far as Foley is concerned, the fact that he was co-chair of Missing and Exploited Children, pushed vigorously for the Communications Decency Act (which BTW set the age at 16) and in general went on and on about protecting children, family values and all that just bespeaks a level of hypocracy that boggles the mind.
Bingo, Signym. It's clear Foley was simply trying to pad his political resume and appeal to his core constituents. Sadly, that's how the game is played, both sides of the aisle are guitly. What remains to be seen is how many actual physical encounters Foley has had while in Congress,and with how many different pages. My spidey sense is telling me that Foley didn't resign over something as embarrassing but trivial as IM's.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 11:30 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Could be, but you might wanna' knock off the "Why I Hate Bush" stuff for a few days. With feds sniffing around and all...



Oh hell, I'll play that game, all day long.

Bush sucks for not closing the borders
Bush sucks for the Farm Subsidy Bill in his 1st term.
Bush sucks for not doing away with the National Education Association.
Bush sucks for sticking it to the US tax payers w/ the Drug Benefit Program.
Bush sucks.....oh, wait. Wrong thread.

Never mind

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 12:28 PM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I don't know where you get the notion that HERO would 'defend to the death' anything near what you claim, but is that as far as your concern goes for what PN has done?


I wrote that while there was evidence of e-mails and IMs and they are unethical under House rules they only Might be illegal and that there was no allegation of child molestation (except by Foley who claim he was...diddled by a Priest as a child) so Foley was not properly labled as a child molester at this time. In other words, look at the evidence we have, not the evidence you want. Naturally several folk then read my statement the way they wanted rather then for what it actually said.
Quote:


For the record, I'm glad Foley resigned, and that he's not my Congressman.


Well said. That's been my thought all along.

H

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 12:31 PM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
As far as PN is concerned- he mostly posts crap- but I'm sure the FBI would consider this chaff and a waste of their time.


I can't disagree. But since I saw it while on City time, I was legally bound to report it.

I respectfully decline to answer why I was hanging out here on City time...

H

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 12:51 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Quote:

Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
I've found that even scrolling or page downing through PN's posts, I've seen far more than I ever wanted to see.

I guess my eyes are worse than I thought. There is no way I could see anything unless I took the time to focus on it. I'm impressed you can see stuff simply going past it. You'd probably be wicked in a raquet sport.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 12:59 PM

RUE

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I went looking and it's still posted. Does anyone know how to get it removed ASAP?

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 2:02 PM

MISBEHAVEN


Hey Hero,

Thanks for alerting the FBI. We'll all really appreciate having them snooping around our threads. Aside from the fact that Pirate is a raving conspiracy theorist, he appears to be somewhat unbalanced as well. Maybe you should've taken this into consideration and informed him that he was violating federal law and needed to remove the pictures himself before simply turning him in. At the very least, that's a courtesy you should've extended to Haken. I hope the FBI doesn't shut down the site.


Oh, one more thing. If Pirate had been posting about a Democrat instead of your glorious leader, George Bush, would you've been so quick to turn him in? See, I'm thinkin' not so much. Come on and admit it Hero. You're an Alliance man at heart.





Going to trial with a lawyer who considers your whole life-style a Crime in Progress is not a happy prospect.
-Hunter S. Thompson

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 2:51 PM

MINK


Quote:

Originally posted by misbehaven:
Hey Hero,

Thanks for alerting the FBI. We'll all really appreciate having them snooping around our threads.



Browncoats, Browncoats
What you gonna do?
What you gonna do when they come for you?

Now, I have no idea what you guys are on about and I really don't want to know, but are you honestly worried about the FBI in connection with this site? This is one seriously harmless site.

If anything, I say good, maybe some of the snoops will become Browncoats! Come one, come all!

It's okay to leave them to die.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 2:51 PM

MINK


Quote:

Originally posted by misbehaven:
Hey Hero,

Thanks for alerting the FBI. We'll all really appreciate having them snooping around our threads.



Browncoats, Browncoats
What you gonna do?
What you gonna do when they come for you?

Now, I have no idea what you guys are on about and I really don't want to know, but are you honestly worried about the FBI in connection with this site? This is one seriously harmless site.

If anything, I say good, maybe some of the snoops will become Browncoats! Come one, come all!

It's okay to leave them to die.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 2:57 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Mink

"Now, I have no idea what you guys are on about and I really don't want to know, but are you honestly worried about the FBI in connection with this site? This is one seriously harmless site."

This is far too little, far too late to regain Zero all the points he lost with most of us here. And, uhm ..., if you don't know what this is about, then why are you opining?



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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 3:02 PM

MISBEHAVEN


Quote:

Originally posted by mink:
Now, I have no idea what you guys are on about and I really don't want to know, but are you honestly worried about the FBI in connection with this site?



I am now, and if you read the entire thread, then you'll see why.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
-Hunter S. Thompson

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 3:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


OTOH- having once been followed by the FBI for a couple of days over some utterly harmless internet conversation- maybe what'll happen is they'll look at thsi site and then put Hero's name in the "busybody" file.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 3:14 PM

MISBEHAVEN



Or worse yet, they'll give him a job. And if that happens, then I'm really in trouble.

Buy the ticket. Take the ride.
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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 4:22 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Well, the shock's worn off somewhat.

And this is what I see -

This is not a kiddie porn site. The people who come here are not pedophiles looking for porn. PN who is a conspiracy nut was not sharing his kiddie porn. Given all that, Zero took ONE photo in ONE post out of context and felt 'compelled' to notify the FBI. That wasn't an anti-porn action. It was simply to make trouble for someone he disagrees with. Now, once you are in focus, you may or may not have a hard time with the FBI, and you will most certainly end up on a list or four. You know, those extra-legal lists where no one's been found guilty or even been accused, but where 'evidence' is compiled against you for some unknown future use.

Do you now trust Zero to NOT do that to you? To NOT find some pretext to get you into legal trouble just because he doesn't agree with you? Do you now feel as free to express your opinions? Or to share whatever information you may have?

I don't.

Well, at least now we know about him.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 5:29 PM

MISBEHAVEN



The great thing about a forum like FFF.net is that provides a place for people to speak their minds without fear of reprisal...or at least it used to. Taking something like this completely out of context and contacting the gorramn feds is simply wrong. And the more I think about it the more I get. Even though I'm sure nothing will come of it, it's the political motivation behind it that I find disturbing.

I don't trust Hero now, and I never will after this. But as for speaking my mind, I'll continue to do so and I'd encourage everyone else to do likewise. Something tells me you're on your own, Hero. I hope it was worth it.



"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend your right to say it."
-Voltaire

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 6:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I have NEVER trusted Hero. He horn-dogs after war widows, can barely smother the rage against his ex and her boyfriend, and likes to intimidate people. He's the perfectly noxious combination of fear and bullying. But altho Hero has been exposed as a Alliance mole, I don't intend to pay it any mind.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 7:25 PM

MINK


You're right, I probably shouldn't opine, and I did read the thread, I just didn't see the post that supposedly set it all off. Call me a busybody too.

I just want to clarify that I am not condoning Hero's reporting actions, myself I would direct something like that to the site admin's attention, it's his business.

BUT - the paranoia level is on the high side, is all I'm saying.

It's okay to leave them to die.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 7:25 PM

MINK


You're right, I probably shouldn't opine, and I did read the thread, I just didn't see the post that supposedly set it all off. Call me a busybody too.

I just want to clarify that I am not condoning Hero's reporting actions, myself I would direct something like that to the site admin's attention, it's his business.

BUT - the paranoia level is on the high side, is all I'm saying.

It's okay to leave them to die.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 7:31 PM

PIRATEJENNY


Well nobody is going to stop me from speaking my mind, and as for PN, say what you will about him but at leaste he is taking some action. he has his own web-site. This is his way of doing something about things he feels strongly about, at least he's doing something, I'm sure many of us here will now be put on the unpatriotic list for daring to speak our mind. that is of course if the FBI doesn't have more important things to do!!



I find Zero to be lame, and reprehensible, defintely not a Browncoat!!

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 7:47 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
In a recent thread PirateNews, well known for his crazy talk, driving while intoxicated, and tinfoil hats, posted several pictures depicting children bound and in apparent distress.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=24340

First, of all I want to note that such images have no place in a civil discussion on any topic. I will not be reproducing them here.

Second, such images are in violation of Federal Law.

Quote:


2)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), "sexually
explicit conduct" means actual or simulated -
(i) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital,
oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between
persons of the same or opposite sex;
(ii) bestiality;
(iii) masturbation;
(iv) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(v) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of
any person;


Clearly pictures of children bound and in obvious distress regardless of being real or staged violates section (iv) above.

Section 2251 of the US Code bars the use of children for: "any sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing any visual depiction of such conduct,

Further 2251A makes it a crime to: "1) knowingly mails, or transports or ships in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, any child pornography;"

AND MOST IMPORTANT TO FFF.NET, Section 2251A2 makes it a crime for the folk who run our beloved Firefly fansite to: "2) knowingly receives or distributes -
(A) any child pornography that has been mailed, or shipped or
transported in interstate or foreign commerce by any means,
including by computer; or
(B) any material that contains child pornography that has
been mailed, or shipped or transported in interstate or foreign
commerce by any means, including by computer;"

Lastly, Section 2258 requires me to report this to the FBI, which I have done. Actually its the local Ohio law which mirrors that Federal law...but I digress.

Anyway, thought you'd all want to know.

H



How dare you detest photographs of George Bush Jr's favorite "White House correspondent" "Jeff Gannon", aka Johnny Gosch. I notice you take the same attitude as all other so-called "law enforcers" who REFUSE to investigate that pedophile bondage website, and refuse to subpoena "Jeff Gannon's" (aka "James Guckert) DNA, to see if he really is the kidnapped Johnny Gosch. Pedohile Bush Sr kidnapped Gosch, and now Bush Sr owns Serenity and SciFi Channel, so it fits perfectly with this website. I hate these photos as much as anybody, it's just that I'm not willing to ignore reality by letting pedophiles hijack USA.



Hero, you need to send another email to FBI, and turn in this TV news station, for broadcasting those same photos:




Thanks for posting the US Code, tho I think you may have censored the volume numbers, if my memory serves me correctly. I've forwarded your email to Noreen Gosch, who took millions of dollars in funding away from FBI, to start the Center for Missing and Exploited Children, since the FBI's Finders were too busy kidnapping little children and raping them.

Let me get this straight - Noreen Gosch can't even post photos of her own kidnapped son, on her own website, which she is doing to try and motivate "law enforcers" to do their job and arrest pedophiles...? HA!



Okay, who's hacking my posted photos? Here, are you really a hacker? Isn't that a federal felony?



How can I get the Captain to shoot a cop in the face, and make it right? That extra moment of sadism - that's the thing that says it's okay, buddy, you're not up to spec, you're going down!
-Joss the Boss, Firefly DVD, censored Episode 1 "Serenity"

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php
www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org


Does that seem right to you?
www.scifi.com/onair/

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 8:07 PM

SUCCATASH


Hey PN, can you lighten up a bit? Serenity doesn't fly with Jew bashing, gay bashing and other various disturbing images.

You've triggered Haken's backup Anti-Freedom program that replaces bad pics with Dukes of Hazzard photos instead.

God help us all.



"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 8:15 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Succatash:
Hey PN, can you lighten up a bit? Serenity doesn't fly with Jew bashing, gay bashing and other various disturbing images.

You've triggered Haken's backup Anti-Freedom program that replaces bad pics with Dukes of Hazzard photos instead.

God help us all.



"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."



"Difficile est saturam non scribere."
-PNTV motto

HA! I do love my Dukes of Hazard, tho. Boss Hogg = Bush Sr.

"You can't stop the signal! Damn, that sword hurt!"
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php
www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org


Does that seem right to you?
www.scifi.com/onair/

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 8:26 PM

HKCAVALIER


What the--? Am I the only one who doesn't see any "child porn" going on in those pictures? Jeez, there's a difference between sex and violence. Put your fantasies aside and take a look at what's happening in the pictures. I see fully clothed children bound and gagged, and visibly terrified. One boy doesn't have a shirt and there seems to be evidence of a star branded on his shoulder. They're disturbing images, heartbreaking, but any sex is in the eyes of the beholder. PN tells us about a child sex ring and shows us these pictures. If he were talking about a simple kidnapping and showed these pictures, they would arouse nothing but sympathy. But because PN says the children in the pictures were sexually abused, that somehow changes the pictures? No.

It disturbs me that so many folks believe that pictures that show the unambiguous suffering of children should be censored--makes me wonder if they'd really rather not know about it. I know that's not particularly fair, but the invisibility of child abuse is one of its most insidious characteristics. PN is not sexualizing these children, he's politicizing them.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 8:47 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Perhaps I'll email the FBI and report "Hero" for Obstruction of Justice. Oh, that's right, he's too chicken to tell us his name or where he allegedly works as a "state prosecutor" (probably just a paralegal). And we all know the FBI is too feeble to track down anything on the interweb, such as the particular kiddie "porn" bondage website at JacobsTales.com, which has such innocent statements under Johnny Gosch/Gannon photos, as "Pinch me am I dreaming?????" and "Quick, pull down his pants while you have the chance!"

And the ever popular poem, "THE CRIMINAL MIND":
www.jacobstales.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13

Quote:


A Criminal Mind


By: TK


You see my hands are steady
You've seen my face before
Soon you can take your last look
And they'll close the door
I stand accused before you
I have no tears to cry
And you will never break me
'Til the day I die
A criminal mind
Is all I've ever known
They tried to reform me
But I'm made of cold stone
My criminal mind
Is all I've ever had
Ask one who's known me
If I'm really so bad
I am
I've spent my life behind these steel bars
I've paid my debt in time
But being brought to justice
That was my only crime
I don't regret a single action
I'd do the same again
These prison walls secure me
And I'm numb to pain
A criminal mind
Is all I've ever known
They tried to reform me
But I'm made of cold stone
My criminal mind
Is all I've ever had
Ask one who's known me
If I'm really so bad
I am
Before you hand me over
Before you read my sentence
I'd like to say a few words
Here in my own defense
Some people struggle daily
They struggle with their concience
'Til the end
I have no guilt to haunt me
I feel no wrong intent
A criminal mind
Is all I've ever known
They tried to reform me
But I'm made of cold stone
My criminal mind
Is all I've ever had
Ask one who's known me
If I'm really so bad
I am

Posted on Friday, July 08 @ 10:33:21 EDT by JT_admin


Note that JacobsTales.com has now censored this poem (THANKS TO PIRATENEWS.ORG!) and replaced it with "less disturbing" poetry. Or did Hero do that? If so, then thank you Hero, you're my hero - but not in a gay way.

I can see why Des Moines copsters have zero interest in that website. NOT.

Adults and "children" should be aware of these predators, in order to devise successful defenses and prosecutions. Funny how schools and govts are full of these predators, and rarely prosecute them...

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 8:49 PM

SUCCATASH


"But because PN says the children in the pictures were sexually abused, that somehow changes the pictures? No."

So these two posts are the same? Because the picture is the same and context means nothing?

Post #1:
CHILD PORN IS AWESOME!



Post #2:
SWIMMING IS AWESOME!




Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
What the--? Am I the only one who doesn't see any "child porn" going on in those pictures? Jeez, there's a difference between sex and violence. Put your fantasies aside and take a look at what's happening in the pictures. I see fully clothed children bound and gagged, and visibly terrified. One boy doesn't have a shirt and there seems to be evidence of a star branded on his shoulder. They're disturbing images, heartbreaking, but any sex is in the eyes of the beholder. PN tells us about a child sex ring and shows us these pictures. If he were talking about a simple kidnapping and showed these pictures, they would arouse nothing but sympathy. But because PN says the children in the pictures were sexually abused, that somehow changes the pictures? No.

It disturbs me that so many folks believe that pictures that show the unambiguous suffering of children should be censored--makes me wonder if they'd really rather not know about it. I know that's not particularly fair, but the invisibility of child abuse is one of its most insidious characteristics. PN is not sexualizing these children, he's politicizing them.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 9:01 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Goot news!

Quote:


Welcome to Jacob's Tales.com

Recently this site was reported as having childpornography on it. First off let me say this. This site will not stand for any type of child pornography, if we find that you've uploaded pictures that are pornographic, we will track your IP and report you to the correct people to take action.

Next, the galleries will be offline until a thorough cleaning and redesign can be finished, if all goes to plan it will be back in some limited form in December.

Also, we will be shifting focus about our mission here at Jacob's Tales. We will start to focusing more on helping those in need, or for those with problems. All of our stories will be non-pornographic, except for those "coming out" stories that people wish to share to help others get through their own tough times while coping with who they are.

If you have any questions about this, please feel free to e-mail steve@jacobstales.com, hate and spam will be ignored

VOTE: Which of the seven dwarfs would you sleep with?


Is this Here's doins', or Noreen's or mine at PNTV? A lot of good folks have be reposting these disturbing photos, trying to kick the FBI to get to work. But they're too busy investigating pedophiles in Congress... A website "voluntarily" removing all photos (allegedly) is NOT the same as detective work and arrests, and recovery of kidnapped kids.

Noreen Gosch got her photos on her doorstep in an envelope, which were mostly the same photos posted on JacobsTales.com, except for a "dead" man with a noose around his neck, who was allegedly identified as one of her son's kidnappers (dead men tell no tales).

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 9:02 PM

HKCAVALIER


Tash, please. Labelling a non-pornographic picture "porn" doesn't make it porn. If it did, your picture of the little girl in the swimming pool would be porn. It ain't.

Side note: did you know that they show movies like "Tom & Huck" at NAMBLA meetings? They get off on seeing children, Tash. Doesn't make "Tom & Huck" pornographic.

HKCavalier

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 9:26 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


NAMBLA's lawyer is now a justice on US Supreme Court - Ruth Bader GinsBERG...

North American Man/Boy Love Association
http://www.nambla1.de/

Quote:


Fears Grow Over Academic Efforts to Normalize Pedophilia

Cultural experts who agree with claims that the Supreme Court may have opened the door to legalizing pedophilia in its Lawrence v. Texas decision on private homosexual behavior point to the growing movement within academia to de-stigmatize pedophilia. When U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was an attorney for the ACLU, she co-authored a report recommending that the age of consent for sexual acts be lowered to 12 years of age.

www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200307%5CC
UL20030710c.html


"If one committed sodomy with a child of less than nine years, no guilt is incurred. He who gives his seed to Molech [Satan at Bohemian Grove] incurs no punishment. One who curses his parents isn’t punished unless he curses them by Divine Name. It is permitted to consult by charm the spirits of oil and eggs, and make incantations. Women having intercourse with a beast can marry a priest, the act is but a mere wound. A harlot’s hire is permitted, for what the woman has received is legally a gift. One can revile the Divine Name if mentally appling it to some other object. One may declare: 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. If ten men smote a man with ten staves and he died, they are exempt from punishment."
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud
www.destructionofamerica.4t.com/custom2.html



Chief Justice John Roberts is a flamin fag, so the pedophiles must be flamin fab over Bush Jr's appointment. Good thing DSM4 changed the definition of insanity to not include sodomy, or the chief judge would be in the Loony Bin with Congressman Foley, along with Rove, Cheney, all Bushes, and most of the White House employees.
www.conspiracyworld.com/index0116.htm
http://perspectives.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=75928&forum_id=87

Remember what happened to Sodom and Pompei...

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Wednesday, October 4, 2006 9:27 PM

SUCCATASH




I think the key is "taken as a whole" which includes context.


"Pornography" is a layperson's term, with no particular legal significance. Jones may believe that Penthouse is non-pornographic, while Smith believes that it is. Neither is incorrect.

The term of legal significance is "obscenity", which, after struggling for many years and through many cases, the U.S. Supreme Court defined in Miller v. California in 1973. It is a three-part test, as follows:

"The basic guidelines for the trier of fact must be:
(a) whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards" would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, Kois v. Wisconsin, supra, at 230, quoting Roth v. United States, supra, at 489;
(b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and
(c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."


http://censorware.net/essays/obscene_jt.html



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Thursday, October 5, 2006 4:34 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Thanks for being the voice of reason Succatash.
I found the picture offensive and so did Haken or a mod.

It saddens me that certain member's of this site would try to defend PN simply because it was Hero who raised the red flag. IMHO, posting that picture somehow vindicates the picture taker, their sickness is being spread for all to see. PN's posts should stand on merit alone, why the need to 'shock and awe' with highly questionable pictures? I guess if the substance is lacking, flashing lights and pictures are the way to go.

And the not so subtle hint that a certain member 'enjoyed' the pic is irresponsible as well, IMHO.

Hero is a lawyer. If he thinks the picture is illegal I will have to bow to his greater understanding of the applicable laws.

Now go back to defending PN in this thread while castigating Foley in the other.

Posting to stir stuff up.

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 4:47 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by misbehaven:
Thanks for alerting the FBI. We'll all really appreciate having them snooping around our threads.


If there is child porn here then they should be looking around. They wont shut down the site though unless it continues unchecked after its been brought to the moderator's attenion.
Quote:


Maybe you should've taken this into consideration and informed him that he was violating federal law and needed to remove the pictures himself before simply turning him in.


I'm sure he already new the nature and quality of the pictures he posted. There are many laws that PirateNews has expressed contempt for.
Quote:


At the very least, that's a courtesy you should've extended to Haken.


I agree and I first posted my thoughts and a request for the removal of the pictures in the thread. Later I had time to take a look at the actual law and found that I had a legal obligation to make a report and I saw the liability that this site was under just by having those pictures here. I promptly e-mailed Haken about it so he would not get in trouble, and started this thread.

As for courtesy, PirateNews deserved none.
Quote:


Oh, one more thing. If Pirate had been posting about a Democrat instead of your glorious leader, George Bush, would you've been so quick to turn him in?


If a pro-Bush person posts child porn and I see it, then I would act in the same fashion. Politics plays no role in how I enforce the law...or at least how I enforce child pornography laws...speeding tickets, thats all political (Democrats speed, Republicans don't).

H

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 5:05 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:


Originally posted by piratenews:

And the ever popular poem, "THE CRIMINAL MIND":
www.jacobstales.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13

Quote:


A Criminal Mind


By: TK


You see my hands are steady
You've seen my face before
Soon you can take your last look
And they'll close the door
I stand accused before you
I have no tears to cry
And you will never break me
'Til the day I die
A criminal mind
Is all I've ever known
They tried to reform me
But I'm made of cold stone
My criminal mind
Is all I've ever had
Ask one who's known me
If I'm really so bad
I am
I've spent my life behind these steel bars
I've paid my debt in time
But being brought to justice
That was my only crime
I don't regret a single action
I'd do the same again
These prison walls secure me
And I'm numb to pain
A criminal mind
Is all I've ever known
They tried to reform me
But I'm made of cold stone
My criminal mind
Is all I've ever had
Ask one who's known me
If I'm really so bad
I am
Before you hand me over
Before you read my sentence
I'd like to say a few words
Here in my own defense
Some people struggle daily
They struggle with their concience
'Til the end
I have no guilt to haunt me
I feel no wrong intent
A criminal mind
Is all I've ever known
They tried to reform me
But I'm made of cold stone
My criminal mind
Is all I've ever had
Ask one who's known me
If I'm really so bad
I am

Posted on Friday, July 08 @ 10:33:21 EDT by JT_admin


Note that JacobsTales.com has now censored this poem (THANKS TO PIRATENEWS.ORG!) and replaced it with "less disturbing" poetry. Or did Hero do that? If so, then thank you Hero, you're my hero - but not in a gay way.

I can see why Des Moines copsters have zero interest in that website. NOT.



Actually it probably had something to do with copyright laws. A criminal mind is actually a song written and performed by Canadian Lawrence Gowan.

http://www.gowan.org/cd.htm

Posting to stir stuff up.

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 5:35 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Given all that, Zero took ONE photo in ONE post out of context and felt 'compelled' to notify the FBI. That wasn't an anti-porn action. It was simply to make trouble for someone he disagrees with.


So child porn is ok with you if the pictures are limited in number, and you understand the context, and you agree with the person posting it.

You claim that I was "compelled" by politics to take action. In the very first post on this thread I cite the Federal law that provides the basis for my legal duty to report child porn. I also cite the potential liability for this site. In other words I did what I HAD to do. Perhaps you would prefer me to ignor my legal duties because of my political leanings...somehow I think that would be wrong.
Quote:


Do you now trust Zero to NOT do that to you? To NOT find some pretext to get you into legal trouble just because he doesn't agree with you? Do you now feel as free to express your opinions? Or to share whatever information you may have?


So for you child porn is ok. But our political differences are the real evil. Thats why you liberals are so dangerous. A civil discussion is more dangerous to you then pictures of the violent abuse of children. I think you should run on that platform in 2008 and see how far it gets you.

If PN was a Republican, then you'd be upset, not that he posted child porn, but that he's a Republican. I think you allow your Republican Rage to overshadow your reason. Knock it off.

H

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 5:42 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hero- IMHO altho what PN posted was disturbing in my view it was not "obscene". The only emotions it aroused in me was horror and pity. But what you saw in the picture was what you brought to it: an inability to deal with sexual relations from anything other than a position of intimidation. I haven't forgotten about the time you "joked" (yeah, ha ha) about calling in Homeland Security on your ex's new boyfriend and having him rousted at 2 AM. You give breaks to Marines but throw the book at a mentally retarded kid. You use the law for your personal power. This is just another one of those little games that you like to play.

I'm not fooled by your sanctimonious mouthings. You're a pervert in the making, if you aren't already one.

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 5:52 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
What the--? Am I the only one who doesn't see any "child porn" going on in those pictures? Jeez, there's a difference between sex and violence. Put your fantasies aside and take a look at what's happening in the pictures. I see fully clothed children bound and gagged, and visibly terrified.


There is no difference in the US Code:
Quote:


(B), "sexually
explicit conduct" means actual or simulated -
(iv) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or


And there is no exceptions for the type of use for the pictures. Law says no pictures of the abuse of children, actual or simulated and has been updated to specifically include pictures transmitted by computer.
Quote:


It disturbs me that so many folks believe that pictures that show the unambiguous suffering of children should be censored--makes me wonder if they'd really rather not know about it. I know that's not particularly fair, but the invisibility of child abuse is one of its most insidious characteristics. PN is not sexualizing these children, he's politicizing them.


So for you child porn is ok...as long as its political. And they have accused me of hiding behind politics.

I disagree with alot of you about alot of things. I enjoy the civil discussions and some of the poking we do. There is no place on this board or in any forum for child porn. If you disagree, fine, lets talk about it. If you disagree and post child porn, then you deserve to be arrested, thats not my opinion, thats the law.

H

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 6:00 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"So child porn is ok with you if the pictures are limited in number, and you understand the context, and you agree with the person posting it."

There's a new show on TV called 'kidnapped'. Another one, been on a while, called 'criminal minds'. You'll find worse 'simulated' photos, and even nastier context, on both. Both are broadcast every single week, over public airwaves, as entertainment.

As Tash pointed out, context is important. In context, this was not a porn posting.

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 6:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So a story about genital mutilation or child prostitution or child soldiers or genocide with related but non-explicit pix would be "porn"?

Sure.

I personally think you need to get your head out of the gutter.

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 6:13 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:


Originally posted by rue:

As Tash pointed out, context is important. In context, this was not a porn posting.



PN used the picture to back up his claims that Bush and his 'cronies' sleep with kids. How do you think this was NOT a porn posting?

IMHO, if PN was discussing disciplinary tactics or knot tying or the need for children to get enough sleep or any other thing, the picture was inappropriate.

Posting to stir stuff up.

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 6:17 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
But what you saw in the picture was what you brought to it: an inability to deal with sexual relations from anything other than a position of intimidation.


The picture is not illegal because of the person viewing it. Its illegal because of the harm to the person in it. These laws are about the protection of children from people who prey upon them. We as a society view these pictures are harmful to the children depicted and to all children. We have enacted a law against it.

If you disagree with the law, run for Congress:
Quote:


"Hi, I'm Signy. I think pictures showing children bound and gagged are ok by me. If you agree then vote for me. I promise to do my best to loosen child pornography laws, raise taxes, and surrender to the terrorists."





You might even have a shot in parts of Vermont and California...

H

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 6:19 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
There's a new show on TV called 'kidnapped'. Another one, been on a while, called 'criminal minds'. You'll find worse 'simulated' photos, and even nastier context, on both. Both are broadcast every single week, over public airwaves, as entertainment.


Call the FCC. I know CSI (or one of the other CBS crime dramas) took a hit for something like this a year or so ago.

I also note for the record that most TV shows that show something bordline explicit can prove the actor or actress was over 18 at the time...thats why all the 'kids' on shows like One Tree Hill look like they are in college.

H

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 6:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The context was to get people to DO SOMETHING about child exploitation. I don't buy in to PN's conspiracy theories, but I also know that kids are sold and abused every day in the USA because this world is full of people attracted to powerlessness. I know one mom whose daughter was kidnapped, and she can't get the county prosecutors to do jack about it. People like to stick their heads in the sand.

You know, there are a LOT of TV shows that push the "kid" button. They show kids being kidnapped, threatened, drugged, tortured and killed. The "context" of those shows is to bring in advertising dollars. THAT to me is obscene.

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 6:21 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
So a story about genital mutilation or child prostitution or child soldiers or genocide with related but non-explicit pix would be "porn"?


I don't think so. I think the Supreme Court drew a distinction with regards to fiction and animation.

H

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Thursday, October 5, 2006 6:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

So a story about genital mutilation or child prostitution or child soldiers or genocide with related but non-explicit pix would be "porn"? - Signy

I don't think so. I think the Supreme Court drew a distinction with regards to fiction and animation.- Hero

Huh? Non of these are fiction, and they are not animation. I don't know what planet you're living on. Hero, as far as I'm concerned you're on some kind of kinky personal power trip, and you abuse your job. I knew someone like you. The DOJ was very interested in him.

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