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If all your friends jumped off a cliff ...

POSTED BY: RUE
UPDATED: Saturday, November 25, 2006 06:24
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Friday, November 24, 2006 3:49 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
The problem with vaccine 'failure' is that it takes out your argument - that the unvaccinated pose no threat to the vaccinated. But they do, by dropping the vacination rate below the level needed for 'herd immunity'.

Assuming herd immunity works, whether the unvaccinated posed a threat or not depends entirely on how many people are unvaccinated. If it is only 1%, it would make absolutely no difference to herd immunity. (Dropping vaccination coverage from 95% to 94%, or from 65% to 64%, isn't going to matter.)

People who choose to exempt their children from mandatory vaccination comprise 1-2% in the history of exemptions in the USA. The overwhelming majority of people believe in vaccines and get them.

Since it doesn't make a difference and poses no threat, why not allow the right to informed consent to medical intervention, a right that is accorded in all other treatments? In reality, it has nothing to do with herd immunity, but money. Pharm companies set up bogus foundations that pay state governments (such as state health depts) money for every kid vaccinated with the recommended schedule--to boost vaccination coverage of course. The rhetoric is to wipe out diseases and keep kids from dying etc. The real reason is pharm companies need to keep up the hype to market their product, and states need the kickback.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 4:11 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

ChrisIsAll,

If you could come up with more I'd appreciate it. AFAIK there's just too much information on the origins of HIV-2 and HIV-1 to conclude that they're human-made. For example, chimps - though infected with HIV - will not develop AIDS. And their genome indicates an AIDS epidemic about 50,000 ago that wiped out nearly all chimps.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&l
ist_uids=9989410&dopt=Citation

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Friday, November 24, 2006 4:43 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by rue:
ChrisIsAll,

If you could come up with more I'd appreciate it. AFAIK there's just too much information on the origins of HIV-2 and HIV-1 to conclude that they're human-made.

Rue, this is where common sense kicks in for me; how did green tree monkeys have this virus for a century and NEVER bite an African villager until 1979?*COUGHbullshit* Viruses evolve, they do not appear. Gene splicing started in the 20th Century...strange that new viruses appear all of a sudden, no? No.
Pandora had another box, it seems, and we opened it.
The science boys can spin it all on a believable molecular level, but like Global Warming, and like what Mal said, I trust my eyes.

Damn, I keep dropping my tinfoil hat; got to keep those alien rays out

.

Your friend in observation, Chrisisall

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Friday, November 24, 2006 10:00 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Sorry to take so long responding. We were having a little family celebration.

Anyways, the big thing that happened in Africa at the time was that former colonies were granted independence. As you know, they were drawn up to contain warring tribes, so on indepedence there was a lot of war everywhere. What USED to happen was that if a hunter (generally) got infected w/ AIDS he would spread it to his wife/ wives in some isolated village somewhere, they'd get sick and die, and that would be the end of that. But with war, the men ran off and the women were no longer protected. The territory of Portuguese mercenaries the exactly the same territory as HIV-2 - the statistically rare strain. The territory of HIV-1 is everwhere else. Infected women who could no longer support their families would move to the cities as sex workers - where HIV takes hold in the first wave of mass infection. Then it spreads out to truck routes. All of this is documented in 'The Coming Plague'. There really is no mystery why AIDS came out of the jungle as a formerly rare event, and multiplied with war, chaos, and dislocation.

The same thing can be seen with Ebola. It's a rare disease of isolated outbreaks UNTIL it hits the cities, like Kinshasa. (The main difference is that Ebola kills quickly which limits the spread, whereas AIDS-infected people can spread the virus for a long time.)

Anyway, AIDS is NOT human-made. You can use your tinfoil for roasting the turkey now. Better late than never.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 10:09 PM

CHRISISALL

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Anyway, AIDS is NOT human-made.

Rue, I respect you more than you can guess, but on this you're wrong, I think.
But I allow for the possiblity of my bad.

No absolutes Chrisisall

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Friday, November 24, 2006 10:09 PM

CHRISISALL

Attack of the double-posts!!!!!

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:24 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Hey ChrisIsAll,

At the risk of sounding like a mutual admiration society, you are a poster I look for and learn from every time. (And where ya been lately?) If you think I'm wrong then I'll be content to wait and see how it turns out. I come from a different perspective, which in this case may or may not be helpful. But if you could post a few links you've found illuminatng, I'd be grateful.

There's got to be something more than waiting to go to the island.

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