Thanx, Jerry by NewOldBrownCoat

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Thanx, Jerry

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UPDATED: Sunday, August 3, 2008 09:48
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Saturday, August 2, 2008 6:24 AM

I hesitate to post this, 'lest I be misunderstood, but can't help myself. (Sarcasm mode on.)

Just saw this one over on CNN.com.
Jerry Brown was suing potato chip makers to make their product safer. He won a major settlement, caused a lot of fines, got an agreement from them to do better. Hooray!

Except that what he won about, was that there is, apparrently, a coating that is used on the bags, that reacts with hot, fried potato to create a chemical that causes cancer, at high levels, and they were exceeding the parts per million limit that has been established.

Thank you , Jerry, for keeping me from getting cancer from my potato chips, the ones that I love, the ones that are so addictive that they should be illegal, ( Can't eat just one, can ya?) , the ones that I'm not supposed to eat because they are full of salt and fat, because they cause high blood pressure and high colesteral, the ones that are going to kill me with a HEART ATTACK. I'm glad that, over many years' exposure to the bags, they're not going to give me cancer too. I should live so long.

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Saturday, August 2, 2008 6:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

You should hear what food chemists have to say about the containers that your food comes IN. If you did, you'd never buy anything except what comes unwrapped, or bottled in glass. The wrappings are especially dangerous when they're heated: frozen dinners, microwave popcorn, and canned foods (the cans are lined with plastic).

Hey, I'm a chemist and it bothers me!

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Saturday, August 2, 2008 3:02 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh yeah, that oh so "healthy" bottled water that's really just filtered tapwaper in a plastic bottle that leaches nasty chems into it when refrigerated or frozen....

S'why a lotta smarter moms use glass baby bottles still, and it was one of them who pointed out the chem-leaching thing with plastics to me.

-F

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Saturday, August 2, 2008 4:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Oh yeah, that oh so "healthy" bottled water that's really just filtered tapwaper in a plastic bottle that leaches nasty chems into it when refrigerated or frozen....

S'why a lotta smarter moms use glass baby bottles still, and it was one of them who pointed out the chem-leaching thing with plastics to me.

-F

How do chems leach out of cold bottles ? Hot, I could understand, but cold ?

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Saturday, August 2, 2008 4:50 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

A cite for your claims might be nice. All I can find is that any starchy food that's fried may increase cancer risk. Any info on how much might also be nice.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, August 2, 2008 7:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Geezer, do you mean MY claims? The most talked about compounds are bisphenol-A, phthalates, di(theylhexyl)adepate (DEHA), and perfluorooctanoic acid, altho there are hundreds of chemicals in food containers. In addition, paper containers used to be laced with dioxin (formed when bleaching paper with chlorine.) However, you can kiss Dr Fujimoro's warning goodbye, it's an internet hoax.

bisphenol-A

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Nearly all can liners contain BPA, says Geoff Cullen, director of government relations at the Can Manufacturers Institute. BPA has also been found to migrate, under some conditions, from polycarbonate plastic water bottles.

www.thegreenguide.com/doc/114/bpa

phthalate- found in chemically bonded PET form in (polyethylene terphthalate, for recycling it is the "No 1" plastic) and in free form in soft plastic toys like rubber duckies as well as shower curtains, automobile interiors etc.

Heated plastic wrap releases DEHA into food.

Heated Teflon releases PFOA http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2005/nov/science/rr_po
pcorn.html

Just as an aside, the CDC occasionally asks for about 200 volunteers and takes a number of invasive samples (blood, and biopsied fat, muscle etc. and runs every test they can think of. They look for concentrations (body-burden) that are beyond what their models predict. Last time they did that, the two BIG surprises were mercury and phthalates.

BTW, occasionally I have heard about extraordinary levels of chlorinated pesticides (like DDT) in food. It turns out the offending plants are in the cucurbits family: squashes, melons, cucumbers, eggplant etc. which pick up residual pesticides so well that they're being considered as a possible method for remediating contaminated soil.

Some of this information has online links, some doesn't because it just shows up in obscure scientific publications.
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Sunday, August 3, 2008 2:57 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Geezer, do you mean MY claims?

Actually, I meant NewOldBrowncoat's comments. I couldn't find the article he cites on CNN.com.

BTW, You might want to re-read the article you cited under "Heated Teflon releases PFOA". Interesting stuff, but it actually says the real villan is microwave popcorn bags, not Teflon.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 3:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, the real villain is the Teflon coating in the microwave popcorn bags.

Overheated Teflon in ANY form is dangerous. Teflon manufacturing also releases the same compound. One person managed to kill about 40 of his 50 beloved birds by accidentally leaving a non-stick pan on the stove and overheating it. (Birds are exceptionally sensitive to Teflon breakdown products.) The thing that disturbs the various scientists who look at this topic is the ubiquity of Teflon percursors/ breakdown products in humans. They would have understood it a whole lot better if only industrial workers... the ones with direct contact... had this stuff in their blood, but when they tested for it, it was everywhere

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 9:10 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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How do chems leach out of cold bottles ? Hot, I could understand, but cold ?

Because it breaks down the structure in the same way heating, then cooling metal does.

The risk is of course multiplied by re-using the same bottle, which a lotta folk do.

Of course, the FDA says "perfectly safe" - but remember, that is also what the fuckers told us about a lot of things that came back and bit us on the ass, not the least of which is the Gardasil "vaccine", so it's not like they have much credibility when nose to nose with basic, elementary physics.

-F

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 9:48 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:

Actually, I meant NewOldBrowncoat's comments. I couldn't find the article he cites on CNN.com.

Let's see if I can make a link work:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1829023,00.html?xid=rss
-topstories

Couldn't find it on CNN myself. This is from Time Magazine online.
I use AltaVista for my search engine. Clicked on News, entered potato chip, got about 6 or 8 listings.
The chemical ic called acrylimide, if I spelled it right.

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