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Thursday, November 6, 2008 8:52 AM

WULFENSTAR

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I will never refer to Mr. Obama as an African-American.

“African-Americans” are those who are in the process of transferring their citizenship from African to American.

He is Black, as I am White, and as my wife is Hispanic.

If we must piecemeal our society, then do it by the culture we follow.

In the end, however, we are all Americans.

We are all just folks.

Lets try and remember that in the coming months and years ahead.



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Thursday, November 6, 2008 8:59 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Can I just refer to him as an American? Or, better still, as "Mister President"?

My heritage is German. I don't refer to myself as a "German-American". I'm just an American, period.

Mike

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Thursday, November 6, 2008 9:05 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


I must agree

Ditto and Hear! Hear! and all that.

I hate that African-American, Chinese-American, Irish-American.

You are either American or you aren't. Now you can be an American of ______ (fill in here) descent.

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Thursday, November 6, 2008 9:42 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Can I just refer to him as an American? Or, better still, as "Mister President"?




For someone touting 'UNity' and All That , Obama is oddly reticent about the 'AFRICAN-American President' thing...

Labels are divisive , used that way...

But , yeah you can call him Mister if you like...

He likes that , you know...

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Thursday, November 6, 2008 2:40 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I like being called 'Mister,' particularly by people I don't know. It's very respectful.

The issue of labels is a difficult one for me. A label can be dangerous, because it can be used to equate a class of people with a singular impression, making it easy to dehumanize them or at the very least wrap them in stereotype.

On the other hand, a complete absence of labels can be difficult to work with. I don't know any Black or White people, but when describing someone it is generally easy to fall back on these labels. You also have the case when people label themselves. If they choose a label, then isn't the label okay?

If you get a loan for a house, you are asked a series of questions about your sex, race, and ethnicity. This, ironically, is to avoid discrimination. So there you are, a Human Being, asked to label yourself. It's not the only time in life when you're asked to identify yourself according to one label or another.

I certainly don't want to describe myself as a 'moderately light skinned male with dark brown hair and eyes that combine the colors green and blue' because it's cumbersome. But if I was describing myself to someone and said 'Hispanic male' they wouldn't get the right picture.

Politically, I'd prefer to describe myself as someone who embraces personal freedom and opportunity. But because of the large number of ways that could be taken, I'm forced to embrace the label Libertarian, even if I differ from the stated norms on a couple of criteria.

Labels are instantly inaccurate, often dangerous, and extremely useful.

I'm not sure how to reconcile all of that.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, November 6, 2008 3:11 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


But , yeah you can call him Mister if you like...

He likes that , you know...



It's not about what "he likes" - it's about respect for the office. I loathe Bush, but if I were meeting with him, I'd refer to him as Mister President, out of respect for the office he holds.

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Thursday, November 6, 2008 4:02 PM

FREMDFIRMA


I hate being called Mister, passionately.

Maybe it had something to do with how every time I got in trouble at school, I was addressed as "MISTER so-and-so.." in a really snarky and patronising tone...

I hated being called "Young man..." in that tone by angry juvie court judges too.

When I *have* to describe someone darker than me, I simply play on other folks own perceptions by using the term "ethnic fellow" and let their own preconceptions fill in the blanks, which is personally amusing cause in the end we're ALL "ethnic fellows" of SOME ethnicity, right ?

That bein said, I've no particular objectin to being called a "Cracker Honkey Mofo", as I simply refuse to take insult from it, thus rendering it utterly useless as a perjorative if thrown in my direction.

-F

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Thursday, November 6, 2008 5:57 PM

NCBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I like being called 'Mister,' particularly by people I don't know. It's very respectful.

The issue of labels is a difficult one for me. A label can be dangerous, because it can be used to equate a class of people with a singular impression, making it easy to dehumanize them or at the very least wrap them in stereotype.

On the other hand, a complete absence of labels can be difficult to work with. I don't know any Black or White people, but when describing someone it is generally easy to fall back on these labels. You also have the case when people label themselves. If they choose a label, then isn't the label okay?

If you get a loan for a house, you are asked a series of questions about your sex, race, and ethnicity. This, ironically, is to avoid discrimination. So there you are, a Human Being, asked to label yourself. It's not the only time in life when you're asked to identify yourself according to one label or another.

I certainly don't want to describe myself as a 'moderately light skinned male with dark brown hair and eyes that combine the colors green and blue' because it's cumbersome. But if I was describing myself to someone and said 'Hispanic male' they wouldn't get the right picture.

Politically, I'd prefer to describe myself as someone who embraces personal freedom and opportunity. But because of the large number of ways that could be taken, I'm forced to embrace the label Libertarian, even if I differ from the stated norms on a couple of criteria.

Labels are instantly inaccurate, often dangerous, and extremely useful.

I'm not sure how to reconcile all of that.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner



Anthonyt, I got your point about labels. They can be cumbersome too.

If I had a label, it would be middle aged person of the female gender, fairly fair skinned, brown hair mixed with gray covered by artificial reddish/brown with blond highlights color, slightly tall, athletic build, with blue eyes and a bad case of nearsightedness combined with presbyopia resulting in bifocals or monocular contacts.

As to ancestry, I'm the all American mutt with English, German, Irish, Scottish ancestry in unknown proportions.

And as to political views I like my state's designation...Unaffiiiated. I vote for the man/woman best for the job. Republicans, Democrats and even a Libertarian (a first) got my vote this year.

Yes, labels can be murky.

But in my heart there's one label I'm proud of, I'm a Browncoat.

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