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Ummm...what about the Emoluments Clause?

POSTED BY: HERO
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Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:18 PM

HERO


I know a lot of crazy talkers are fussing about Obama's nationality and such. Here's one to suck on.

Turns out Hillary was a Senator. She voted to raise the pay of the Secretary of State. She then resigned her seat to become Secretary of State. Constitution says no, can't do that.

Its so bad they passed another law reducing her salary. But the bar is Constitutional...there is no Constitutional remedy. Legally she's barred until 2013. Sorry...is her seat still open? No...oh, well...(sigh)...I hear there's a Congressional seat open in upstate New York.

H


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Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:50 PM

DEADLOCKVICTIM



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Enter the Saxbe Fix. As you may imagine, this is not the first time a member of Congress has been asked to take a position in the government, and raises in pay for these positions, while not common, are not rare either. The fix is this: Congress reduces the salary for the position in question to the pre-raise amount. Then, the theory goes, there is no conflict, and no bar to the person taking the position. The name stems from William Saxbe, who Richard Nixon appointed to be Attorney General in 1973. Saxbe was a Senator from Ohio at the time. The fix was devised by the acting Attorney General and passed by Congress. The fix was also used by Howard Taft in 1909, for his Secretary of State Philander Knox (though it was not called, of course, the Saxbe Fix in 1909). The Fix was also used by President Jimmy Carter and President George H.W. Bush.


http://www.usconstitution.net/constfaq_a8.html

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Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:18 PM

DREAMTROVE


Constitution went out the window, maybe you missed the memo.

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Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:49 PM

STORYMARK


If it also happened during friggin' Taft's Presidency, and a couple time since, it's a fairly long-standing precedent.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, January 30, 2009 8:33 AM

HERO


Judicial Watch's lawsuit contends that because the conflict is Constitutional...the remedy must be as well. In otherwords you cannot legislate around a Constitutional bar...at least not after the fact.

For example...if a President were elected who by chance happened to be born in Kenya...Congress could not declare him a "natural born" citizen after the fact.

H

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Friday, January 30, 2009 8:43 AM

STORYMARK


And I'm sure Judicial Watch, or a simmilar conservative or hard-line constitutional group, sued when Bush I did it....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, January 30, 2009 10:23 AM

STORYMARK


I had a feeling the usual suspects would go quiet on that one...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, January 30, 2009 11:57 AM

STORYMARK




"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, January 30, 2009 2:31 PM

STORYMARK


Still waitin' for an answer...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, January 30, 2009 7:15 PM

HERO


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Originally posted by Storymark:
And I'm sure Judicial Watch, or a simmilar conservative or hard-line constitutional group, sued when Bush I did it....


Judicial Watch is a well respected group in legal circles. Its their name that made me sit up and take notice and read their complaint.

As for Bush doing it...that makes no sense.

This is an obscure section of the Constitution that would only apply in very limited circumstances.

If you can name a Bush appointee who was serving in Congress and had voted to increase the pay of the position they were nominated for AND their term had not yet expired...then let me know, otherwise your argument in invalid.

In fact, its just plain silly. Like wondering why George Washington failed to stand up to Islamic Fundamentalism...or why Lincoln had no policy for passanger plane emissions standards...

Edited to add: This might help the discussion: http://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/2009/rodearmel-v-clinton-compla
int.pdf


Pay attention to para 10 and 11.

Its a fairly straightforward argument. It would require a very simple hearing the establish the facts. But the Court will be hard pressed to twist the meaning to avoid it. It is very clear language and it applies directly to the circumstances.


H

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Tuesday, February 3, 2009 9:40 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
And I'm sure Judicial Watch, or a simmilar conservative or hard-line constitutional group, sued when Bush I did it....


Judicial Watch is a well respected group in legal circles. Its their name that made me sit up and take notice and read their complaint.

As for Bush doing it...that makes no sense.

This is an obscure section of the Constitution that would only apply in very limited circumstances.

If you can name a Bush appointee who was serving in Congress and had voted to increase the pay of the position they were nominated for AND their term had not yet expired...then let me know, otherwise your argument in invalid.

In fact, its just plain silly. Like wondering why George Washington failed to stand up to Islamic Fundamentalism...or why Lincoln had no policy for passanger plane emissions standards...

Edited to add: This might help the discussion: http://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/2009/rodearmel-v-clinton-compla
int.pdf


Pay attention to para 10 and 11.

Its a fairly straightforward argument. It would require a very simple hearing the establish the facts. But the Court will be hard pressed to twist the meaning to avoid it. It is very clear language and it applies directly to the circumstances.


H




I said Bush I, as in Senior. Herbert Walker variety. Deadlockedvictim's post above mentions it. His Sec. of State was in the same boat. So, again, did the conservatives crying foul now do it then?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, February 3, 2009 11:26 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Storymark:
I said Bush I, as in Senior. Herbert Walker variety. Deadlockedvictim's post above mentions it. His Sec. of State was in the same boat. So, again, did the conservatives crying foul now do it then?


His Secretary of State was James Baker.

Baker was appointed in 1989 and served until 1992. Prior to that he was Treasury Secretary under Ronald Reagan from 1985-1989. He ran Reagan's campaign in 1984 and before that he was Chief of Staff from 1981-1984. In fact...he NEVER served in Congress.

Perhaps you meant someone else. I doubt it, because, as I said, this is a very rare issue that can only apply in the most narrow circumstances. Although it seems we may get another one with Senator Judd Gregg (R, NH) who just got nominated for Commerce Secretary.

H

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