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Sea Lions appearing and disappearing on California Coast

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Saturday, March 6, 2010 9:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ouch! I've seen them both places, and we love them at Pier 39...am wondering if the fish are the reason, as in overfishing? What they said about the herring run saddened me; it's beautiful to see them all out there harrassing the herring boats, and an annual treat. Or just our Niño? How little we know about the ocean and those in it...

This isn't SF Bay, but this is exactly what it looks like, minus that many birds. All those little black dots are sea lions, gorging themselves on herring:


When they get hot, they stick a flipper (full of blood vessels) up as they cruise along.


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California sea lions started showing up in great number at Sea Lion Caves in Oregon last fall just about the time they began disappearing from San Francisco Bay's Pier 39.


Now, they're leaving Oregon, and showing up in -- San Francisco. The headlines out of San Francisco read like an Agatha Christie plot:

"Sea lions mysteriously disappear from Pier 39."

"S.F.'s vanishing sea lions baffles experts."

"Where did the city's ever-present sea lions go?"

Yes, a big, blubbery mammalian mystery has brewed for weeks around San Francisco Bay. Now, clues point toward Oregon.

Or do they?

Every salty whodunit must start somewhere and this one begins a little more than 20 years ago, in September 1989, when California sea lions, Zalophus californianus, started consistently hauling their bulbous bods onto a dock at Pier 39, an attraction as thick with tourists as it is with San Francisco-themed tchotchkes. That month, only a handful of sea lions hung around, sunning, snoozing and inconveniencing fishermen.

By mid-January 1990, 150 of their friends had joined them. By February, they numbered about 250 and by March, more than 400.

Fishing vessels moved out of the way, but that spring, so did the sea lions, migrating south to breeding grounds in the Channel Islands near Santa Barbara, Calif.

That summer, the gargantuan beasts -- males grow to 7 feet and can reach 1,000 pounds -- returned, as they have annually, according to the Marine Mammal Center, a nonprofit rescue and research operation in Marin County, Calif.

Tourists may come to taste San Francisco's rambunctious character and sensuous fog, but for the sea lions, food and safety have been the draws. Until recently, winter herring runs provided plenty of forage. Orcas and great white sharks, which dine on sea lions, don't enter the busy bay.

The noisy, intelligent, playful, pungent mammals thrived. They grew so abundant that their original favorite dock submerged under their weight and fell apart.

Knowing a good tourist draw when they saw it, the folks who operate Pier 39 provided new housing, a cluster of 10-foot-by-12-foot floats within camera clicking distance from shore. Sea lions squeezed aboard, barking their approval.

The Marine Mammal Center got so many questions it opened a kiosk nearby. And for years, tourists stopped for a look and an earful.

On Oct. 23, 2009, volunteers counted more than 1,700 California sea lions at Pier 39.

Clue: Gaze ocean-ward along Oregon's central coast and you might notice vast rafts of sea lions frolicking, says Dan Harkins, general manager at Sea Lion Caves, between Yachats and Florence. The caves, more typically home to the larger Steller sea lions, have operated as a tourist attraction for 78 years, and "all of a sudden we're seeing numbers that nobody remembers seeing," he says.

Typically in January, 500 to 700 California and Steller sea lions hang out in and around the caves, feasting on anchovies, sardines and such. This week, Harkins says, estimates climbed toward 1,500.

Lost Beach, between the caves and Heceta Head, has been so jam-packed on some days that the sand was scarcely visible between the animals' chocolate or golden brown bodies.

"We don't have license plates on 'em to be able to tell if they're from California," he says. "It's all speculation right now, but it seems to be tied in. They disappeared there. We've got record numbers up here."

Scientists are disinclined to jump to such a tidy conclusion.

California sea lions always cruise through Oregon waters in search of food, says Bruce Mate, director of the Marine Mammal Institute at Oregon State University's Hatfield Marine Science Center in Newport. Typically they start to arrive in late summer, peak in October, then move on to waters off Washington and British Columbia.

But with small, schooling bait fish such as anchovies and sardines abundant off Oregon at the moment, Mate says, the ravenous Californians may simply have selected to stay.

El Niño conditions might be a factor. Warmer water in California last summer and fall may have pushed prey species north, inspiring sea lions to follow.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/san_franciscos_seal_l
ions_disa.html


That was in January. Now:
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After squeezing into Sea Lion Caves in record numbers, wedging flipper-to-flipper along Lost Beach and bobbing in vast rafts off the central Oregon coast this winter, thousands of California sea lions have mostly moved on.

At the same time, sea lions that abruptly vacated San Francisco Bay last fall appear to be slowly returning to Pier 39, where for decades tourists have watched their slippery antics, listened to their noisy barks and snapped their pictures.

California sea lions range widely, hunting in the Northwest, breeding and pupping in Southern California's Channel Islands. But the sudden disappearance of a huge number of animals was so unusual it made headlines around the world.

Their population ballooned in San Francisco Bay over the past two decades. Merchants at Pier 39 accommodated the behemoths -- males grow to 7 feet and can reach 1,000 pounds -- by installing floats for the sea lions to use.

Scientists speculated that El Nino conditions might have contributed to their exodus, or that the sea lions may simply have gone hunting.

Herring counts fell so precipitously in San Francisco Bay that officials cancelled this winter's commercial herring fishery. Meanwhile, schooling bait fish such as anchovies and sardines were ample off Oregon. The sea lions may have liked the sound of the menu.

Sea Lion Caves, of course, still attracts sea lions -- the California variety and Steller sea lions, which breed and raise their young along Oregon's coast. Tuesday afternoon, Saubert estimated the caves still held 30 or 40 California sea lions and perhaps 100 remained in the area.

"They folded up their chaise lounges and put away their umbrella drinks," Saubert said. "They have decided that maybe vacation's over."

http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2010/03/sea_lions_have
_left_oregons_se.html


This is what we're used to seeing:


The tourists love it:



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Saturday, March 6, 2010 1:25 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





Quake's comin'.

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Sunday, March 7, 2010 4:21 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hell, won't bother THEM! They'll just roll off and go offshore until the humans stop sceaming...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Monday, March 8, 2010 5:00 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
This isn't SF Bay, but this is exactly what it looks like, minus that many birds. All those little black dots are sea lions, gorging themselves on herring...California sea lions started showing up in great number at Sea Lion Caves in Oregon last fall just about the time they began disappearing from San Francisco Bay's Pier 39....Now, they're leaving Oregon, and showing up in -- San Francisco. The headlines out of San Francisco read like an Agatha Christie plot:

Now, clues point toward Oregon.

Or do they?


Clearly they are running from the high taxes and excessive regulation in California, not to mention sea lions tradition values make them unhappy with gay marriage and legalized pot.

While Oregon might be a temporary stop...they are clearly headed for states like Alaska and Texas.

And in that picture...all the black dots used to be sea lions, now they are illegal immigrants swimming ashore looking for state funded health care, college tuition, and drivers licences.

H

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Monday, March 8, 2010 5:17 AM

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Oregon is having Sea Lion Spring Break. Lunch Specials: All the abalone you can eat.

No need to panic.

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Monday, March 8, 2010 6:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Got of those posts made me laugh, as the posters obviously didn't read the material before posting their bullshit. The second story is that:

THE SEA LI0NS HAVE LEFT OREGON AND ARE RETURNING TO PIER 39.

Duh...I would say something, but I know it's pissing into the wind...


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Monday, March 8, 2010 7:00 AM

SIGNYM

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Welcome back to our stinky, noisy friends! They must love the CA lifestyle.

My guess is El Nino is weakening, and the herring and anchovies are moving south again.

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Monday, March 8, 2010 9:14 AM

MINCINGBEAST


sea lions are quite charming: like big, oily, absolutely malodorous cats. they fit in perfectly in california.

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Monday, March 8, 2010 10:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
sea lions are quite charming: like big, oily, absolutely malodorous cats. they fit in perfectly in california.



Actually, when you put it like that, they sound more like they belong on the Jersey Shore... All they're missing is the velour tracksuits and wifebeater tees!




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Monday, March 8, 2010 10:35 AM

NIKI2

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Sig, I hope you're right, I miss the herring run. We used to get up before dawn and go out to the Sausalito quay with our cameras; the lights of the herring boats through the fog, and as the fog lifted their eerie shadows, made for great photos!

We love our sea lions, like all our wild species, sea otters, blue whales, harbor seals and all fo them. I worked closely with them, and they're not smelly at all. Now ELEPHANT SEALS, that's another matter. Where did you get the idea they were "oily"? Not in the slightest...noisy and cantenkerous, yes, but not oily. CSLs are mischevious and waaaay too bright for their own good; I've boarded them (going in their area with a board for protections), sat on them, force fed them and cleaned up their feces: they aren't any more smelly than yours, and they're much cleaner than ESs, who will sit in their own shit.


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Monday, March 8, 2010 10:51 AM

MINCINGBEAST


i dunno...i guess i got the idea that they were oily from their over-all guidoness.

when i was a kid i used to insist that my parents take me to watch them whenever we were in sf or monterey (not that often), and they always reminded me of cats. they'd sit on the rocks, or wharf, basking like big lazy cats. and oily, well, maybe just wet would be more descriptive.

i think i actually might like elephant seals better, based on your description of them nikki.

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Monday, March 8, 2010 12:27 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, they certainly do bask like lazy cats...and they ARE lazy; getting food is pretty easy and their only real predators are killer whales and sharks.

It's the good life! What you thought was "oily" is that, when dry, their coat is a golden brown--when they get wet, it's almost black.

ESs have those big huge liquid brown eyes, so people go "awwww". The pups are cute,

but the adults just look like big lumps.

But they're awfully stupid and slow, and mean. CSLs aren't "mean" per se, but they're damned mischevious!

ESs are VERY hard to teach to eat...yes, both species when rescued young have to have fish shoved down their throats, then later wiggled in front of them in the water, to "get it". CSLs get it about five times faster than ESs.

CSLs don't fight as much. Generally there's a huge "beachmaster" with a harem and pups.

ESs fight a LOT, and get real bloody

When they fight, the much smaller females and pups get caught in the middle--pups are often killed by the weight.
...too bad you don't get down here, you'd love Ano Nuevo. It's an ES protected site; they actually give tours around them where you get within a few feet, except during mating season of course!

They look like nothing so much s lumps of flesh laying there, and with that proboscus of theirs, they're UGLY as sin.


Give me a CSL any day...I can't help but admire their agility (another reason they're tough to board), their intelligence and their cleanliness over those big fat blobs of ESs. And we don't even get the SOUTHERN Elephant Seal around here--they're almost twice as big!

But you want filthy? Nothing better than an ES!


We don't get the big Stellar Sea Lions, either, and to me they've always looked majestic.

But the cutest one of all is the Fur Seal.
We didn't get a lot of them, but when we did it was a treat. They're like little miniature CSLs and cute as buttons.

Harbor seals--actually all the "true" or "earless" seals--are dumb as fence posts.

But they're cute; tiny, spotted, and with those big brown eyes. The babies were the best, they make a sound that is PRECISELY "maaaaa". Everyone melted over the babies.

You see them down at Monterey on the rocks; here's their favorite type of perching, head and back flippers up, belly on a rock:


(sorry for long post; subject close to my heart, I can't seem to keep from trying to educate people what they're like...)


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Monday, March 8, 2010 1:17 PM

BYTEMITE


Actually, I find the picture of the elephant seals cuddling with their own filth all over them strangely cute. Fortunately, I don't THINK it's the filth.

I went to Pier 39 when I was in SF and was enthralled. I had to be pulled away. But I think they're all fun animals.

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Monday, March 8, 2010 1:49 PM

MINCINGBEAST


i know, they're sort of like pugs, or bulldogs: so ugly that they're cute.

thanks nikki. if i could be a seal, i would want to be an elephant seal. they are gigantic, violent, stinky, ugly, and like to hang out in their own waste. radical! they seem like total free spirits. ogre seal!

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Monday, March 8, 2010 2:11 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Knowing a good tourist draw when they saw it, the folks who operate Pier 39 provided new housing, a cluster of 10-foot-by-12-foot floats within camera clicking distance from shore. Sea lions squeezed aboard, barking their approval.



Oiy. See, this is what I mean about zoos too... it's not about the animals, it's about the $$$. Zoos hide behind, "educating the public" but their counting the money the whole time. And what are they teaching us, our kids? That animals belong in captivity? Or on docks... aren't they so cute?

"Sea lions squeezed aboard, barking their approval." How the hell do they know what they're barking about??

Are relationships with animals are so skewed... we need counseling.

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Monday, March 8, 2010 2:23 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
i know, they're sort of like pugs, or bulldogs: so ugly that they're cute.

thanks nikki. if i could be a seal, i would want to be an elephant seal. they are gigantic, violent, stinky, ugly, and like to hang out in their own waste. radical! they seem like total free spirits. ogre seal!



And on the plus side, the female elephant seals are total hotties in the seal world. It's like if they were the pirate subspecies of seal.

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Tuesday, March 9, 2010 9:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Pizmo, I disagree. I agree wholeheartedly with captive animals, but these are free to come and go at their pleasure, in both places. And they DO, as evidenced by them piling into Sea Lion Caves, then wandering back down to Pier 39. And they DO serve both an entertainment and educational purpose in both places, where people can get close to them and begin to recognize them as other species deserving of attention and respect.

Zoos and water parks, on the other hand, take them out of their natural element and cage them up. Whole different thing to me...more akin to swimming with dolphins or whales, who CHOOSE to swim with people, just as the sea lions choose to hang out on the convenient floats at Pier 39--those floats were put out there FOR them. Previously, they all but sunk a pier by hanging out on the bottom part of it; so they came here by choice, and were made welcome in the end.

Beats the hell out of fishermen shooting them, as they used to before they were protected and made a tourist attraction. Same for sea otters, who were being killed by fishermen in Monterey. Once someone glomed onto the idea of making them a tourist attraction, the law changed and fishermen are now prosecuted for shooting either.

If they choose to come where we are, isn't this the better solution?

And...sigh...yes, I guess I'm prejudiced against ESs because of my dealings with them. It takes four or five people sitting on an ES to medicate or force feed them; CSLs are smaller, weigh less, and are much less powerful. And the only ESs we could rescue were youngsters, we never even dreamed of trying to rescue one of the adults, just not possible. Same with beachmaster CSLs...biggest I ever remember was a young adult, and we could only get him down a couple of times to medicate him. Luckily this was during the leptospirosis epidemic back then which beached tons of CSLs (and our survival rate wasn't pretty). All we had to do was a couple of shots on that big guy, thank goodness, and he was released eventually.

We had big metal crates to rescue them in, and between the size of the crate and the animal, you can imagine trying to hoist one up even a tiny cliff or beach. I was on one night rescue that did that, and I never wanted to do it again!


That guy was being released off a boat (the Coast Guard hauls releases out to the Farallon Islands sometimes), but the crate is the same as we used to use.

MMC has changed dramatically since I was up there, when it was a fledgling organization with few resources. Thankfully for those there now, they've got light-weight crates to work with..and even WHEELED CARTS! I'm envious!


These are the boards we work with and they still do--this guy was being released off Rodeo Beach (where MMC is located)--believe it or not, sometimes it was hard to get them to go back in the water (maybe they preferred the free food and good lodging at the Center!), but the boards are also used to get injured/ill CSLs into the boxes, and to enter their pens to clean up.

Rescuing them is usually easier than the other two (tho' not all the time, as they have the entire beach to escape to, or back into the water); no seal or sea lion will beach themselves unless they're too weak to swim. Imagine how much fun boarding is in a pen!


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