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Monday, March 8, 2010 1:02 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Do we believe it? Or is it propaganda? Or will it mean anything long term?
Quote:

Early estimates from a range of Iraqi parties on Monday predicted a coalition led by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki would take the lead in the parliamentary election, though official results were not expected for a few days.

A win by al-Maliki could signal Iraqis' rejection of the religious parties that have dominated the country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. The prime minister has been trying to distance himself from his party's religious roots and portray himself as more of a nationalist.

Sunday's voting was the latest test of Iraq's fragile democracy and will determine whether the country can overcome the deep sectarian divides that have plagued it for the past seven years.

Turnout for Iraq's second election for a full parliamentary term was 62 percent of about 19 million eligible voters, the election commission said. That is lower than the last full parliamentary election in December 2005, in which roughly 76 percent of eligible voters turned out.

Officials attributed the drop to a combination of voter intimidation, more stringent ID requirements at the polls and a drop in voter excitement. A spate of attacks on election day - some directly on voters and polling stations - killed 36 people.

The election commission said at a news conference that initial results for some provinces as well Baghdad - an area key to determining any winner - will be announced Tuesday. But full results are not expected for a few more days.

But officials of the various parties were present during regional vote counts after the polls closed Sunday, giving them a sense of where the race is heading.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2010/03/08/1043254/iraq-election-commis
ion-head-says.html



"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Monday, March 8, 2010 6:24 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Would you go to vote if you knew folks might very well try to kill you for doing so? It appears a lot of Iraqis would. Good for them.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, March 9, 2010 4:21 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


A bit more.

In the 2008 U.S. presidential election, arguably the most important one in quite a while, 56.8% of registered voters voted. In the 2010 general election in Iraq, 62% voted.

In the U.S. no one was killed or injured while trying to vote. In Iraq, 38 were killed and hundreds injured.

So, knowing the risks, Iraqis showed up at the polls at a higher rate than Americans.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, March 9, 2010 7:17 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Seems like that democracy thing is starting to take root in the Middle East.


Thanks, W !


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


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Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Tuesday, March 9, 2010 8:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


IF we choose to believe the "facts" we're given by our government, yes, it's wonderful that so many turned out to vote and the election was a great victory. My question is: Will it do any good?

I heard that the large Shiite majorities are consolidating power and Sunni and Kurdish minorities are suffering from suppression and violence as a result, which was expected to increase. Beyond that, while it's wonderful that so many turned out, I wonder what it will mean to Iraq in the future.
Quote:

Iraqis turned out in high numbers for the March 7 parliamentary elections. The post-election period of alliance formation, expected to last several months, will be crucial in determining whether the country moves toward consolidating a stable democracy, or slides back into ethnic turmoil. Iraq suffers from dramatic political fragmentation, and the elections saw competition between secular and religious parties, alliances of various sizes, and independent candidates, with 306 political entities registered to run for only 325 seats in the Council of Representatives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_parliamentary_election,_2010

What I heard could be wrong, given the new election:
Quote:

With ballots still being counted, officials from both the State of Law coalition led by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the rival Iraqiya claimed to be leading. Iraqiya is a secular alliance led by Shiite former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, but it also contains many Sunnis.

But no one party appeared to have an overwhelming majority, meaning that the winner will have to build a coalition government. Finding political partners may be a tough task for al-Maliki, a man who has created many political enemies during his nearly four years in office.

Joost Hiltermann of the International Crisis Group, said if al-Maliki were to come out ahead, he would be hard-pressed to build a coalition.

"Al-Maliki still needs to build up a large coalition, which will take a long time. He will have to make a lot of deals," he said. "But I doubt that as a result he will remain as prime minister. Most of the people he has to deal with don't want him."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100308/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq

It will take time to see how it turns out, and whether Iraq can handle their form of democracy or will devolve back into violence and the old ways. I'm hopeful, but skeptical.

As to the difference in turnout--Americans have been doing this for decades, a certain apathy and dissastisfaction is expected, whereas to Iraq, it's a new thing and the impetus to turn out is a reflection of a new democracy which people want to believe in. Only time will tell. Certainly it's a hopeful beginning.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, March 9, 2010 8:37 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Would you go to vote if you knew folks might very well try to kill you for doing so? It appears a lot of Iraqis would. Good for them.


Why does this surprise you? Americans have been willing to die to protect our right to vote since before this country was a country. This is true of Americans regardless of race, creed, gender, or country of origin. So if a person from Iraq who comes here and becomes an American is willing to make that sacrifice for American liberty, why should we be surprised that Iraqis or anyone else would, given the opportunity and the freedom, not make that same commitment to the liberty of their homeland?

America was never about geography...its about humanity. We are a nation built upon folks who came here tired and poor and yearning to be free. What a lot of you don't realize is that all people yearn to be free, especially those that don't make it to our shores.

Freedom is the natural state of man.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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