Against the Corporate State by out2theblack

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Against the Corporate State

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UPDATED: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:26
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:37 AM

'...The corporate state has nearly become an open fact of life, rather than the secret nightmare that has haunted this nation back to the time of Jefferson and Madison. The Founders and Framers knew full well the dangers of corporate dominance of government policy: it was the underlying cause of the American Revolution, in particular the monopolies for commodities granted the British East Indies Company by the British Crown. Madison (with Jefferson's support) proposed an Eleventh Amendment to our Bill of Rights which:

"would have prohibited 'monopolies in commerce.' The amendment would have made it illegal for corporations to own other corporations, or to give money to politicians, or to otherwise try to influence elections. Corporations would be chartered by the states for the primary purpose of 'serving the public good.' Corporations would possess the legal status not of natural persons but rather of 'artificial persons.' This means that they would have only those legal attributes which the state saw fit to grant to them. They would NOT; and indeed could NOT possess the same bundle of rights which actual flesh and blood persons enjoy. Under this proposed amendment neither the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution, nor any provision of that document would protect the artificial entities known of as corporations."

(The above is from Dr. Mike Byron's article "Jefferson Was Right." Dr. Byron teaches political science at California State University, San Marcos, and this article was published in 2003 at www.liberalslant.com. Professor Byron ran as the Democratic Party's write-in candidate for California's 49th Congressional District in 2002 and 2004.

Dr. Byron's article, "Jefferson Was Right" can be found at:

http://soundingcircle.com/newslog2.php/_show_article/_a000195-000205.h
tm; It is worth your time.)

What Thomas Jefferson and James Madison knew is that it is impossible for an individual to act in a positive moral fashion in a system whose highest moral imperative is the bottom line at the end of the next fiscal quarter. To quote Jefferson (from his 1826 Thoughts on Lotteries), "The equality among our citizens [is] essential to the maintenance of republican government." (The Complete Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Memorial Edition; volume 17: page 461; 1904).

As I have stated elsewhere, evil exists where dead things take precedence over living human beings.'

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:50 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
What Thomas Jefferson and James Madison knew is that it is impossible for an individual to act in a positive moral fashion in a system whose highest moral imperative is the bottom line at the end of the next fiscal quarter. To quote Jefferson (from his 1826 Thoughts on Lotteries), "The equality among our citizens [is] essential to the maintenance of republican government." (The Complete Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Memorial Edition; volume 17: page 461; 1904).

Actually Jefferson was saying that you need to vote Republican.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:52 AM

DREAMTROVE

Alternatively the threat was agriculture, the board of trade and international capital, and Jefferson was wrong, and if he had kept it in his pants, and not supported slavery, we might not have this mess.

"fascism should be more accurately called corporatism, as it represents the perfect merger of corporation and state" - Benito Mussolini.

Just a thought.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:59 AM

BYTEMITE

Judging by what Frem says, both scenarios are right, as the slavery issue was just a blind to set up the corporatists. So Thomas Jefferson actually ended up enabling them, which is why I don't really like ANY of the founding fathers.

Yeah, even Thomas Paine. What the hell was all that bullshit with France? Girondists, Montagnards, both were just groups out for their own glory, if the Gironds turning around and trying to arrest their own revolutionaries when they came to power was anything to judge by, though Robespierre clearly was a brute himself.

Don't you wish you could go back in time though? "Please include the eleventh amendment! Everything gets screwed up if you don't!"

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:26 AM

DREAMTROVE

Byte,

What about Adams. And Franklin? Personally, I'm partial to George Clinton, and also fond of JQA.

Oh, and I'm not disagreeing with O2tB's conclusion, just quibbling over how we got there. For some reason I don't understand, Frem just stopped talking to me, a fact which I'm determined to ignore, but if that's his analysis, I think he's spot on. That is not an opposition to then point of view I stated, it's the same position, perhaps better explained. Ergo, Capital systems From the BOT and ag led us into corporatism with Some help from the federalists.

The point here being that it was not industry, the corporate world of the industrial age of yore, but the old world capitalists come to new shores in new form to wreak havoc.

Oh, ipad is making random caps, that's not meant ronbe emphasis, BOT I meant board of trade.

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