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Analysis: The spread of homegrown terrorism

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


So like Shahzad, are we "creating" terrorists, people disaffected who are ripe for the picking, instead of hardened jihadists who've been there from the beginning?
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Nearly a decade ago, a group of Saudis and other men from the Middle East came to the United States to carry out the worst terrorist attack on the U.S.

Not a single one had American citizenship.

Almost nine years after the September 11 attacks, the threat of another major terror strike is still a concern, but where the threat is coming from has changed.

A growing number of American citizens and longtime residents of the United States are becoming radicalized enough by al Qaeda's extremist ideology to kill their fellow Americans, counterterrorism officials say.

A growing number are also learning the bomb-making skills necessary to become potentially dangerous terrorists, the officials say. They are training in the mountains of Waziristan in northwestern Pakistan, where al Qaeda still enjoys significant safety.

That's where, according to the U.S. government, alleged Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad was trained by the Pakistani Taliban, a group with close ties to al Qaeda.

Shahzad's case has strong similarities to that of another American who plotted with terrorist groups in Pakistan to attack the United States. His name is Bryant Neal Vinas, a Catholic convert to Islam from Long Island, New York, who became radicalized, traveled to Pakistan to join up with al Qaeda and helped Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization plot a bomb attack on New York City.

When news of Vinas' arrest broke last summer, family members, friends and terrorism experts where dumbfounded by how a studious, middle-class, baseball-loving, all-American kid and onetime U.S. Army recruit could end up plotting to kill in the name of al Qaeda.

CNN's investigation into Vinas has resulted in an intimate portrait of a homegrown terrorist, charting the disturbing story of a young American's obsessive quest to join al Qaeda.

Vinas' case sheds significant light on why Shahzad and an increasing number of other young Americans have become seduced by al Qaeda's ideology.

Both Vinas and Shahzad were well-integrated into American life before becoming radicalized. Both traveled to the heart of al Qaeda's operational command in Pakistan's tribal region along the border with Afghanistan.

And both allegedly met with the most senior leaders of the Pakistani Taliban in the weeks before allegedly plotting against the United States.

"Bryant Neal Vinas is almost a poster child for the process, the unremarkable nature of the people who might go through this process and, frankly, the potential to link up to al Qaeda and the danger that presents," according to Mitch Silber, the director of intelligence analysis for the New York City Police Department.

Several top U.S. counterterrorism officials had the same message: Americans radicalized at home and trained in Pakistan represent a new and disturbing threat to the American homeland.

The changing face of terrorism

"In the 9/11 world and in the immediate aftermath, the theory was and the reality was that a terrorist attack, if it were to occur again on U.S. soil, would be someone coming from abroad and coming in to the United States," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said. "That paradigm has changed, and there are now individuals in the United States, some who have grown up here and are American citizens. ... They haven't done anything to violate the law, but yet they have become radicalized to the point of violent extremism and to the point of ... considering coming back to the homeland and conducting an attack of some sort."

In the last year, there have been 16 cases of Americans or American residents implicated in Islamist terrorism, a surge in such cases. The Times Square plot is case No. 17.

(more at http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/11/vinas.cruickshank.analysis/index.h
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:29 AM

DREAMTROVE


We are creating insurgents and calling them terrorists. It's what happens when you bomb people, they decide to fight back.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:57 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


But what they're talking about here is HOMEGROWN, so those people haven't been bombed, just manipulated...?


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:12 PM

FREMDFIRMA


And behind damn near every one, don't you know, is some alphabet agency plant, feeding them the plans, feeding them the bombs, winding them up like a toy car...

Yes, I am aware of the possibility of someone enraged by our conduct makin an issue of it, but so far when 90% of the damn time the primary source of the plot and the materials to carry it out is some alphabet agencies pet...

Well, it leaves ME wondering which set of terrorists are the greatest threat - cause in all of history the greatest bloodshed and misery was always caused with official sanction, wasn't it ?

So yon wackos, given their average ineptitude, don't even register as a threat compared to the shitheads who gave Khalid Shiek Mohammeds goons a working bomb, an expert to wire it, and let them set it off - do they ?

You wanna fight terrorism, start in Langley, start in Quantico.

-F

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
But what they're talking about here is HOMEGROWN, so those people haven't been bombed, just manipulated...?



Do you really believe that OK City bombing was committed by Timothy McVeigh with fertilizers in a Ryder truck?

If yes, then follow the arrows the govt is pointing. They have been trying to link foreign terrorism with domestic dissidence for a while. It is just a matter of time before the Iraqi and Afghan war will be brought home, where Americans are the enemy.

If no--well, you can see plainly what all this is.


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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:43 PM

DREAMTROVE


Depends who were talking about, the wind ups or our enemies. McVeigh is complicated, windup and all

I confess I didn't read the grey stuff. Now I see it, I think these are media stories, and dont really involve foreign terrorists

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...





"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:59 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh that's good - so true, too.

Makin friends instead of enemies would go a long way - cause even if you removed the indirect support for this kinda crap by our own so-called protectors, you'd still have the occasional seriously pissed off person who retaliates, like that guy who flew his plane into an IRS office, no conspiracy there, just the natural result of pushin folk to the brink, something we do a lot of, and really shouldn't.

It's when we do it on a national scale that the potential damage of that escalates so terribly.

We're lookin down the barrel of a low grade version of this in west detroit and the east side of this county, several cops have been fired on over the past week, at least one wounded, as the local population has started sniping at them in retaliation for their escalating abuses, that could turn nasty at any moment, and is a serious concern for everyone involved - and yet, the irrecovable free pass those goons in blue get is the biggest problem, cause the situation is NOT gonna get resolved so long as they are not accountable for their behavior and us mere peons are.

Right now I am crossing my fingers and hoping desperately against hope that no one around here resorts to IEDs.

You DO shit to people, long enough, often enough, they start doin shit to YOU.

-Frem

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:03 AM

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Domestic terrorism is always an inside job by gangsta govt and juice, as proven by the signed confession by jewish General Lyman Lemnitzer in Operation Northwoods and the Israeli bombing of USS Liberty.

Saddam Hussein Obama Bin Laden has been a member of Al Qaeda in Pakistan since 1980.

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"Two words for you: predator drones. You will never see it coming. You think I’m joking? My approval ratings, which have just gone down. It doesn’t bother me. Beside I happen to know that my approval ratings are still very high in the country of my birth. There are few things in life that are harder to find and more important to keep than love -- well, love and a birth certificate. This is a big fucking meal!"
-Barry Saddam Hussein Obama Bin Laden Soetoro, Al Qaeda Taliban member
http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/video/president-obama-and-j
ay-leno-white-house-correspondents-dinner

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-white-hou
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Obama's Jewish Polish advisor Zbigniew Brezinski founded AllCIAduh, hanging out with USAma Bin Laden in Pakistan (Village Voice 1981 when CIA agent Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro was illegally in Pakistan)

"Regret what? That secret operation (the CIA backing of Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists) was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"
-Zbigniew Brzezinski, Le Nouvel Observateur, Jan, 1998

"I've learned an immense amount from Dr. Brzezinski."
-Hussein Obama, 12 Sept 2007
youtube.com/watch?v=ASlETEx0T-I

"I endorsed Obama."
-Zbigniew Brzezinski, MSNBC
youtube.com/watch?v=NCO7Pr7RJ7s



"I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough. Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at. Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon.''
-Professor Bill Ayers, FBI/CIA employee and confessed bomber of NYPD HQ, US Capitol, NY Supreme Court, bombed and killed two female bombers in his house, busted CIA LSD mind-control agent Timothy Leary out of prison, confessed to 12 bombings in Operation Northwoods but never prosecuted, author of Barack Hussien Obama Sotoro's authorized biography and grant recipient of Obama's Annenberg Foundation


Bill Ayers, Professor of Education, University of Illinois at Chicago




Domestic Terrorist Operative Nikovich12

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