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Mexican Soundoff

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Saturday, May 22, 2010 08:59
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Friday, May 21, 2010 9:42 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/20/mexico.president.congress/index
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Hello,

I found this article on CNN this evening. I found it rather bizarre.

The Mexican President has raised two issues in unison that are sure to cancel each other out.

The people concerned about illegal immigrants and 2nd amendment gun rights are often (sorry to say) some of the same people. How does he think those people will react to a Mexican request to re-instate the (poorly designed) assault weapons ban?

I can already see what the reaction will be. I am not a politician. I have to imagine that an actual politician knows what will happen next. Why would he choose to do this?

I am left to boggle at this man and his statements. I'm not sure how to adequately express my surprise and dismay.

--Anthony




"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:12 AM

AURAPTOR

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Wolf Blitzer scored major points by getting ( like it's any secret ) the Mexican President to voice out loud the double standard in how Mexico deals with its illegal problem and how it wants the U.S. to deal with their people.

Quote:

BLITZER: All right. Let’s talk a little bit about Mexico’s laws. I read an article in “The Washington Times” the other day. I’m going to read a paragraph to you and you tell me if this is true or not true. This is from “The Washington Times”: “Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to reenter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.”

Is that true?

CALDERON: It was true, but it is not anymore. We derogate or we erased that part of the law. Actually, the legal immigration is not a — is not a crime in Mexico. Not anymore, since one year ago. And that is the reason why we are trying to establish our own comprehensive public policy talking about, for instance, immigrants coming from Central America…

BLITZER: So if…

CALDERON: — (INAUDIBLE).

BLITZER: So if people want to come from Guatemala or Honduras or El Salvador or Nicaragua, they want to just come into Mexico, they can just walk in?

CALDERON: No. They need to fulfill a form. They need to establish their right name. We analyze if they have not a criminal precedent. And they coming into Mexico. Actually…

BLITZER: Do Mexican police go around asking for papers of people they suspect are illegal immigrants?

CALDERON: Of course. Of course, in the border, we are asking the people, who are you?

And if they explain…

BLITZER: At the border, I understand, when they come in.

CALDERON: Yes.

BLITZER: But once they’re in…

CALDERON: But not — but not in — if — once they are inside the — inside the country, what the Mexican police do is, of course, enforce the law. But by any means, immigration is a crime anymore in Mexico.

BLITZER: Immigration is not a crime, you’re saying?

CALDERON: It’s not a crime.

BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job…

CALDERON: No, no.

BLITZER: They can work.

CALDERON: If — if somebody do that without permission, we send back — we send back them.

BLITZER: You find them and you send them back?

CALDERON: Yes.








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Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:19 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Methinks he's an outsider who doesn't have a realistic view of Americans and their gun rights, and wouldn't know an "assault weapon" if it were pointed at his face.

Again, the weapons you can legally buy at gun shows are NOT "assault weapons" - they are neutered copies and knock-offs of them. They are quite different internally, and contrary to the internet myth, you CAN'T make a semi-automatic rifle into a machinegun simply by filing down the trigger mechanism. You have to swap out almost the entire trigger mechanism, fire selector, sear, and innards of the gun - and even possessing the parts to do so is a federal felony. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, no parole, no probation, hard time kind of felony.

If the Mexican drug cartels are getting their hands on machineguns and rocket launchers, they're getting them through the black market, and I'd wager money they're getting them from south of their border, or through their own corrupt lawmakers and law enforcement agencies (who are getting them from the U.S.A.)

So when they tell you on the news that the guns flooding into Mexico are coming from the U.S., they're not technically lying. They're just not telling you FROM WHO in the U.S. those guns are coming.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:22 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So Rappy's point is:

If only the U.S. could be like Mexico.


Brilliant.

I bet they check your papers a lot in North Korea, too. Or China.


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Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

So when they tell you on the news that the guns flooding into Mexico are coming from the U.S., they're not technically lying. They're just not telling you FROM WHO in the U.S. those guns are coming.



A bit of artful omission by the MSM isn't actually out right LYING now, is it ?

And that's the way it is! ( sort of )






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Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:46 AM

ANTHONYT

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"Again, the weapons you can legally buy at gun shows are NOT "assault weapons" - they are neutered copies and knock-offs of them. They are quite different internally, and contrary to the internet myth, you CAN'T make a semi-automatic rifle into a machinegun simply by filing down the trigger mechanism. You have to swap out almost the entire trigger mechanism, fire selector, sear, and innards of the gun - and even possessing the parts to do so is a federal felony. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, no parole, no probation, hard time kind of felony."

Hello,

I don't know the process or mechanism of the failure, but I recently had an SKS rifle- one that was *never* designed to do it- go full auto on me.

Some of my shooting friends were amused, but I was appalled. Weapon reliability is very important to me, and any malfunction irks me to the core. I surrendered the weapon to a gunsmith friend at once, and have been privately suspicious of the weapon ever since.

I don't know what sort of equipment is needed to make a weapon into a fully-automatic, but I do know that *no* equipment managed the job for me. I suspect intentionally doing it wouldn't be that hard.

None of which is the point. If a cop had wandered by and caught me with a fully automatic SKS, I'd be in jail right now. As you say, it's a felony without the proper paperwork, and no one is likely to peer too hard at the gun to see why it has gone full-auto.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:57 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Whatever Calderon wants the US to do about illegal immigration, what he says is NOT what the Arizona law does. He said when police "suspect" someone is an illegal alien, police ask for papers. Virtually anyone coming into Mexico illegally wouldn't look very different (if different at all) from Mexicans themselves, so there has to be a valid reason to suspect them.

In Arizona, few if any are going to be asked for papers who do not appear Hispanic, who do not have the skin color of Hispanics. Also, police aren't just advised to inquire if someone is illegal, they are DIRECTED to do so of anyone who might "look" like an illegal...and even those who are legal citizens, if they cannot prove it on the spot, have already been detained and jailed for months until their citizenship can be properly proven. And even THEN, under this law, for just not having the papers on them, they are subject to fine and possible incarceration.

That's not what Calderon explained in any way. A simple form and background check in order to be in the country legally is FAR different from the rigamarole we put immigrants through just to obtain a PERMIT to be here legally, much less to be a naturalized citizen or a citizen.

I won't speak to the gun issue, as I know too little about it to offer a valid opinion. But your saying their requirements of immigrants, legal and illegal, is a double standard to what they ask of US, is incorrect according to the quote you posted.

I am nonetheless encouraged to hear that you do at least make an attempt to get information from any source other than FauxNews. Oh, dear, just occurred to me; you might well have seen the clip on ClusterFox and had THEM make the assumption you did. Damn. I'd prefer to believe the former.


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Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:09 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Niki, there may be more of a double standard than you suspect.

Amongst Hispanic cultures, there can be a surprising amount of racial bias between Mexicans, Cubans, Guatemalans, Argentinians, etc. Different regions have different accents and word usage, and it is possible that a Mexican officer might target anyone who doesn't 'sound' like a Mexican in the same way a US officer might target people who don't 'look' like a US Citizen.

However, I make it a point not to model my behavior on the behavior of others. Rather, I model it on what is right and wrong.

Thus, the naked hypocrisy of the Mexican President, while lamentable, has nothing to do with my conduct or the conduct of my country.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:59 AM

FREMDFIRMA



I think he's just yanking our chain, kinda like Chavez likes to do every once in a while, say stuff to wind us up to get political points with folks in his own country who don't like us.

As for the problem with your toy Anthony, what causes that is wear to a part called the sear, which is basically a piece of metal that prevents a weapon from being full auto, and if it gets worn too badly it can slip, causing that effect - this is a favorite trick of ATF goons who wanna bulk up the charges on someone, or have put themselves in a bind by arresting someone for weapons that are not illegal - they will deliberately "test" the weapon in a fashion that wears the sear, and then accuse them of having "modified" it by filing the sear down.

Occasionally you get some idjit who actually DOES file it down, but due to differences in design between semi-auto and full auto weapons (bolt position and cycle order) this is a tremendously unsafe and bad idea, besides bein illegal.

Anyhow, the mexican prez is just doin a bit of chain yank here, in my assessment.

-F

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