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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 9:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The booms aren't working in the Gulf. We've all heard Obama talking about how many millions of feet of booms are being sent, and BP bragging about how many millions of feet they've set out. The problem is, they're being laid wrong and not being maintained. Full coverage is at the bottom of this post, but here are some facts, if you're interested:
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How oil booming is supposed to work, and why BP’s current booming attempts may be problematic in the Gulf of Mexico.

a long piece of plastic tarp sewn so that there is flotation on top and a weighted skirt that sinks into the water. For example, a boom might be 100 feet long and 2 feet high. In a typical configuration, six inches of the boom floats above the water and a foot or a foot and a half of weighted skirt sinks into the water. The boom consists of plastic tarp, foam for flotation and a chain to weigh down the skirt. To protect a shoreline you need an anchor system (posts driven into the beach on shore, heavy concrete weights in the water), rope to connect the boom to the anchors and the boom itself.





In the Gulf, the booms aren't being maintained, are breaking free from their anchors, ending up on shore, becoming useless and, in some cases, more harmful than helpful.
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More than 3 million feet of so-called boom has been deployed along the coast. But it's not a fail-safe method of keeping the oil from washing ashore. It's not always sturdy enough and high winds and waves can send the slime cascading over the barriers.

"Even if it's working properly, the best it will do is move the problem somewhere else," said Doug Helton, incident operations coordinator for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Emergency Response Division.

"It might be moving it somewhere that's not boomed or it might be moving it 100 yards away where there's a failure in the boom," Helton said. "The use of booms is just one tool but all the boom does is deflect oil, and that's if it functions properly."


This video shows the booms losing their anchors and ending up on shore:



In one case, the oil has gone over the boom and been TRAPPED along the shore of a pelican nesting island.

Then there are "sorbent booms". Once they have absorbed the oil, they need to be removed, new ones put in place, and the old ones cleared of oil. That's not being done, either.

This is Rachel Maddow--you may not like her, but it's the best coverage I could find on how the boom isn't working and we're being inundated with how many "millions of feet" of boom is being put out, but it's not being maintained. The part about Queen Bess Island is particularly heartbreaking.



Boom, boom, boom...bust.


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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:23 PM

NIKI2

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Bump (you never know, someone might be interested...)

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:32 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

What was wrong with the sand-bar thing?

--Anthony


"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:34 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Maybe if people got on top of their roofs and started writing "HELP" in big letters, while looting... someone will do something.

Or should we just put all the people who are on the shore in some camp?


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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:44 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


F-ing booming f-ing problem, huh?


" Saw that comin' "


But let's be fair here. President Barry was there, over a MONTH ago, standing in the rain, no less! Give the brother a break, alight ?

"Can't I just eat my waffle ? "

C'mon now, y'all act like he works for us or something! Sheesh!







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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:52 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Anthony, you're the only one sounding human, so I'll respond to you.

The government was late in letting them build the berms, along with everything else...I believe they're bulding them now, but am not sure. I'll look it up.


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To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:54 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

What was wrong with the sand-bar thing?

--Anthony



Nothing, except it took the Corps of Engineers three weeks to complete an environmental impact study before they issued permits to build the berms.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:02 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, apparently the berms are on their way to being built. Better late than never I guess, but better it had been done FAR earlier!
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Gov. Bobby Jindal said federal officials have approved plans to build five sand berms to protect Louisiana barrier islands from oil encroaching from the Gulf oil spill.

Jindal and other local officials met Tuesday with Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen urging approval of the plan, which would create protective sand barriers to absorb oil.

Earlier, federal officials approved six berms but said BP would be required to pay for only one. Jindal wants BP to pick up the entire $350 cost of a larger 24-berm plan.

Allen said it was clear the berms would offer a "multiplier" effect protecting not only the islands but coastal marshes.

Jindal had sharply criticized delays in approving the berm plan.

I'm assuming the "BP required to pay for only one" is because the plan was in the works for a long time before this happened. I guess that's kind of fair, if they had originally only planned one, but if they planned six, BP should pay...the project had to be put through more quickly in order to deal with BP's disaster.
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"We really don't know all we're fighting here," said Hahn, accompanied by engineers from the Louisiana National Guard, as his boat moved among various locations for proposed sand berms, barriers that are supposed to be a stronger defense against the slick than conventional surface booms since they rise from the ocean floor and stand some six feet above the water surface. "But what we do know is that it won't travel under the berms we build. It's the only way to capture the oil effectively."

Perhaps, but the berm issue has created its own toxic friction between Louisiana and the Obama Administration, which only late last week approved six berm sites. The Administration's point man on the BP spill, Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, maintains that while "we're not averse to attempting this as a prototype," there are "a lot of doubts about whether this is a valid oil-spill-response technique."

That federal reluctance has angered Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and Plaquemines parish president Billy Nungesser, both Republicans, who are the two biggest sand-berm proponents. "We could have built 10 miles of sand boom already if [the feds] would have approved our permit when we originally requested it" shortly after the spill began April 20, Jindal said last week.


Critics have accused Jindal and Nungesser of political grandstanding. As urgent as closing gaps like Pass Chandal may appear, the plan has more doubters than just Allen. Environmentalists and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers — as well as BP — fear even temporary berms could mess with natural tidal flows as well as the integrity of naturally existing barrier islands. There are also questions about how well they hold up in storms, and about the effects of the massive dredging of ocean-floor sand required to construct them.

Berm backers say the sand and other material will be gathered from either waste sediment or shoals more than 10 miles offshore. That will assure no deepening of the Gulf waters close to the coast, which can strengthen hurricanes and their storm surges as they make landfall. They also plan to keep small spaces open at sites like Pass Chaland to maintain tidal flow. As for structural integrity, the state and the Army Corps plan to place the berm material in Hesco baskets, large protective barriers manufactured by Hesco Bastion USA in nearby Hammond, La., which the military uses to protect troop installations in war zones like Iraq. What's more, Hahn points out, Louisiana and Plaquemines parish have been preparing a proposal for restoration of the barrier islands ever since Hurricane Katrina ravaged them in 2005. That plan is similar to (but more permanent than) the berm-building process, he says, meaning state and local officials have already been studying what will and won't work.

So I guess we'll just have to wait and see how effective they are and, if the ARE effective, how fast the government puts up more. I'm not holding my breath...


Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

To Niki: “My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike.....Well, it's true......if you had a soul.” ...Raptor

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

What was wrong with the sand-bar thing?

--Anthony



Nothing, except it took the Corps of Engineers three weeks to complete an environmental impact study before they issued permits to build the berms.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



Don't such reports take 6 or more months to complete ? My...what if they miscalculated something, and it has a negative affect on the .....oh, wait. Never mind. It's all dead now anyways.








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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:29 PM

DREAMTROVE


Yes. Also, as per auraptors earlier post, yes, it is a lack of fucking proper fucking booming, which also called for layered booms, because booms also only block 90% or only block for 90% lf the time, so you need those backups.

But now it's been made much worse by BPs use of chemical dispersant, which has allowed the oil to sink twenty feet into the water, so now it can flow under the booms. Fucking dumb fucking dispersants.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:37 PM

BYTEMITE


Dispersants have some uses, but it's more for when the most of the oil is already picked up, and the rest is low enough concentration you can treat it over the long term without much risk to public health or property.

When I mentioned biosurfactants before (a kind of dispersant which specifically tricks bacteria into eating the oil), that's what I meant. Had a brain fart, didn't specify.

Bp probably should have only used dispersants after a working stop loss or relief well was installed to deal with the leak, and after tankers had sucked up most of the rest of the oil out of the water.

But maybe they knew something I didn't at the time they decided to use dispersants. It could be that the oil was such high concentration that they couldn't get close due to the vapour danger and LEL, so they had to reduce the concentration somehow to even start cleanup and setting fires.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:41 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Not meaning to side bar the thread, but does anyone know much about Kevin Costner's centrifuge device ?

It's suppose to be some what revolutionary, and more importantly, it might actually work.






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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
F-ing booming f-ing problem, huh?


" Saw that comin' "


But let's be fair here. President Barry was there, over a MONTH ago, standing in the rain, no less! Give the brother a break, alight ?

"Can't I just eat my waffle ? "

C'mon now, y'all act like he works for us or something! Sheesh!







" Being correct does not excuse a violation of form " - Ducky, NCIS.





Be sure and remind us all how much it annoys you that the President is black. That never gets old...


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" Daddy, did you plug the hole yet ? "
C'mere, Malia...

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Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
...oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President.



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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:55 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


Be sure and remind us all how much it annoys you that the President is black. That never gets old...




That he's incompetent, arrogant and hates America... those things are what annoy me. How much light his skin reflects ? Not so much an issue.

But keep beating that drum. I know it's all you have.






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Thursday, June 10, 2010 4:17 AM

BYTEMITE


Had to look it up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/05/19/2010-05-19_gulf_oi
l_spill_bp_oks_tests_of_kevin_costners_invention__device_to_clean_oil_fro.html


INTERESTING. It's not an impossible idea, oil and water have different densities which is what a centrifuge does, basically separates different density material, and oil and water are immiscible, which makes it much easier.

There are a few potential problems, maybe.

1) Organic debris (aka stuff killed by oil). Anything swimming around the oil field is going to be dead, lot of it will sink, but at 200 gallons a minute, some of it may get sucked up into the machine. No real problem for the centrifuge, fish and water are both denser than oil, so it's the oil that's going to separate out. But I don't know what the intake or outtake is, debris might get stuck in there.

2) 3% oil concentration is still toxic. Better than it was, but...

3) What do they do with the oil once it's separated out? Do they have to stop and clean out the oil in whatever they have to catch it? We're talking a huge volume of oil. They'll need to streamline this, to keep downtime at a minimum.

4) Corrosiveness of sea water on metal. I have no idea what they've done here to protect the sensitive parts of the machines.

That's it for now.

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Thursday, June 10, 2010 5:16 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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When I mentioned biosurfactants before (a kind of dispersant which specifically tricks bacteria into eating the oil), that's what I meant. Had a brain fart, didn't specify.
That's apparently part of the problem, unfortunately. From what I hear, the microbes that eat the oil use up the oxygen in the area, so that the things that need oxygen either avoid it or are killed. Hence the "dead zones" they're finding. So apparently thus far they haven't found a dispersant which is usefull but does NOT cause no harm. It makes sense, if the little guys eat the oil, they'd multiply; if they need the oxygen, their multiplying would reduce the oxygen in that area. I believe that can be backed up, if you want me to. It's a shame, as with everything else, that all the research has gone into drilling, not eradicating the problem of a spill. Far beyond a "shame", actually...

Costner’s idea sounds interesting; at least the Coast Guard is testing it out, here’s hoping it works and they use it. As for where to put the oil, the obvious answer is those tankers BP has thus far not employed. I’d assume they had some plan for where to put the oil anyway; no sense separating it if you have no place to put it, eh?



Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

To Niki: “My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike.....Well, it's true......if you had a soul.” ...Raptor

...Remember, remember, the ugliest member...

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Thursday, June 10, 2010 5:35 AM

BYTEMITE


No, no need to back it up. I'm used to dealing with contamination on land, I know about the oxygen drop, and ten, twenty or more feet underground you don't have to worry about the effect of an oxygen drop on other organisms. Another thing I didn't think of.

When that oxygen drops, the oxygen respirator bacteria die, then methanophilic bacteria swarm in.

Quote:

Costner’s idea sounds interesting; at least the Coast Guard is testing it out, here’s hoping it works and they use it. As for where to put the oil, the obvious answer is those tankers BP has thus far not employed. I’d assume they had some plan for where to put the oil anyway; no sense separating it if you have no place to put it, eh?


Well, you'd hope, but I've seen a lot of excellent technology like this get stuck on something small and stupid no one thought of. When you have a pumping capacity of 200 gallons per minute, it's unlikely you have a large enough volume reservoir to test the full capacity of the system, and you're not going to go out to the ocean, dump a bunch of pollution in an area, then test it out at full capacity. I also doubt that any of their test runs dealt with this sheer quantity of pollution and where to store it once it's separated.

If the separator can separate salts for the water (which it might be able to), they might have done that, and tested and sampled to see how clean the resulting water was... There's just not a lot I know about their system. But like I said, it is actually a good idea.

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