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Oakland cops mistook unarmed man's scale for gun

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:04 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


In my opinion, here in America (and especially Oakland!) we are in far greater danger of some damned trigger-happy cop than we ever will be of terrorists!
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Not a gun, but a scale -- that is what a man shot by police Monday night was carrying. The two officers who opened fire on Derrick Jones say he was reaching for his waistband. His widow says that doesn't justify the shooting.

Police have identified the two officers involved as Omar Daza-Quiroz, who has been with the department for four years, and Eriberto Perez-Angeles, who has been with the department for three years and is also on the SWAT team.

The electronic scale Jones was carrying is silver colored and small, about 3x5 inches. Police say the two officers shot Jones numerous times in the chest when he reached for his waistband. They say the officers thought Jones was reaching for a pistol.

Widow Lanell Jones believes the shooting is still not justified.

"Absolutely not. It doesn't make a difference," she said. "He was still killed and it wasn't a weapon."

Attorney John Burris represents the Jones family.

"That's not a basis to kill anyone," said Jones family attorney John Burris. "No. 2, it wasn't pointed at them and No. 3, how do you get to shoot and kill someone for something that's in his pocket?"

"You're talking about a low lighted [sic] area, about heightened anticipation because the person's running," said Don Cameron, a former police officer who now trains law enforcement on the use of weapons. He says they may have mistaken the shiny metal object for a gun. "Officers have to react to it. They can't say, 'Is it a firearm? Let me look, let me wait that extra second' because you don't have a second to wait.

After the shooting, Police Chief Anthony Batts said perhaps his department needs better training.

"I do want to focus on the fact that we need to better ourselves in dealing with people going for waistbands, going into clothing, going into different aspects and make sure that we give officers the proper training to address these things," said Batts.

"They're young officers," said Burris. "Generally, officers within one to three, four years are the ones who generally engage in fatal shootings."

The two officers have been placed on administrative leave pending the investigation. In addition to the pocket scale, police said they found marijuana in a glass jar in Jones' pocket.

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Those Oakland police just can't seem to get it right; they're still getting over the furor in the city about that cop who shot the unarmed guy on BART (the cop got two years; luckily this time the protest didn't turn violent like last time), now this. Idjits...I could post a story a week about these assholes shooting someone who wasn't a danger...sigh...


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Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:09 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Obviously, if you were to make a mistake, it is better to err in your own favor, right? Better an innocent SOMEBODY ELSE dies than YOU die.

'Cause doing your job with no one dying is just not an option.



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Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ay-yup!

Of course he had dope on him, and the scale means he was selling, so I'm sure many are less sympathetic...until it happens to someone THEY know!

Oakland has long had problems with its police department, more than any other place in the Bay Area. I'm guessing it's 'cuz they have an "L.A. mentality"--L.A.'s police are infamous! We all remember Rodney King, but he was caught on camera...many more aren't.


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Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:04 PM

FREMDFIRMA



As I dug up a while back, you're eight times as likely to be arbitrarily shot by a cop than waxed by a terrorist - oughta tell ya what the real threats are...

Also, worth noting the usual "reached for a weapon" or "viciously attacked" is not credible since not once, but EVERY TIME we see video of one of these kind of encounters, the cops are lying they're asses off.

Which means they have, essentially, NO credibility when it comes to such reports, and it brings into question the hiring and training practices.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:22 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Which means they have, essentially, NO credibility when it comes to such reports, and it brings into question the hiring and training practices.

Not to mention a culture of corruption within the PD.

There are good cops too, but they have no avenue to straighten things out.

As I understand it, badphoenixcops.com started out as a personal grievance against the PPD. When that grievance was resolved, the blogger was going to shut it down when he started getting stories from PPD cops themselves. Must be sad to have no where else to go to expose incompetence and malfeasance except to some blogger. Look where he is now.

"I have 50 to 100 cops who provide me with information," said Pataky, who then posts the information on his blog."
http://www.citmedialaw.org/blog/2009/phoenix-police-raid-local-blogger
-who-runs-bad-phoenix-cops-blog


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Monday, November 15, 2010 1:13 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Here Niki, see if this gets your goat. I couldn't even finish watching that video.



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Monday, November 15, 2010 1:35 PM

WULFENSTAR

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"In my opinion, here in America (and especially Oakland!) we are in far greater danger of some damned trigger-happy cop than we ever will be of terrorists!"

And yet you would have us all be unarmed when walking the streets...

How do you justify that to yourself?

Its better that we all bow down and let anyone hurt us, be they cops, thugs, the government... so long as YOU can pretend that people are non-threatening?

Really?





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Monday, November 15, 2010 1:45 PM

WHOZIT


They want us to belive a guy with 2 cops aiming guns at him would reach for his waistband? And for a scale? Mistook my ass!

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Monday, November 15, 2010 1:54 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Im wondering what this fucktard did to get the attention of the cops.

Fuck Frem, but hes right about one thing. Cops are a legalized gang.

So, you keep your head down, and don't attract attention.

You get their wind up... its on you. You run, and don't make it.. its on you.

These fuckers... you get their attention... what happens is on you.

It sucks, but its true. Avoid the cops for as long as you can.

But hell be on them if they don't do their jobs.

Shit job, isn't?

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, November 15, 2010 2:03 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Sometimes all you have to do to "get their attention" is be the wrong color in the right neighborhood.

Wulfie, how well did it work out for this cat, even though the cops thought he WAS armed? You're telling us it would have gone better for him if he'd had his gat?

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