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Sunday, November 21, 2010 5:29 AM

KANEMAN


Most Americans recognize the difference between GOP and Tea Party

"Much of the speculation about the impact of tea party movement successes in the election has been over what role and influence the new lawmakers will have among Republicans, so it is interesting that most Americans -- although Republicans and Democrats disagree on the point -- see the tea party as separate from, rather than part of, the GOP, according to a Pew Research Center poll conducted Nov. 4-7.

Forty-seven percent of the overall public sees the movement as separate from the GOP while 38 percent say it is part of it, with 16 percent undecided. Republicans see the movement as separate by a 54 percent to 36 percent margin, while Democrats lump the two together by 48 percent to 33 percent, (the remainder in both cases are undecided). Independents regard the tea party movement as separate by 55 percent to 32 percent, with 14 percent undecided.

Thirty-nine percent of Republicans believe GOP leaders are paying the right amount of attention to the tea party and another 28 percent say they are paying too little, with 22 percent feeling that the amount of attention to the Tea Party is too much.

Thirty-one percent of independents say GOP leaders are paying too little attention, 23 percent say they are paying the right amount and 21 percent say too much. Thirty-four percent of Democrats say the GOP is paying too much attention, 16 percent regard it as the right amount and 23 percent see it as too little. Again, the remainder are undecided.

As for what Republicans who agree with the tea party say they want, 71 percent unsurprisingly want to see the GOP move in a more conservative direction. That compares to 56 percent of Republicans overall who feel that way.

Nearly 7 in 10 tea party adherents and sympathizers want Republican leaders to stand up to President Obama, which is only somewhat higher than GOP sentiment in general where 62 percent of all Republicans have that hope.

Tea party adherents also take a harder line on compromise. When it came to the overall American public, 45 percent said they admired politicians who stuck to their principles compared to 42 percent who favored those who were willing to make compromises, with 13 percent undecided. Tea partiers favor politicians who stick to their positions over those who make compromises by 57 percent to 31 percent. That is not too different than the result for Republicans overall, who favor those who stick to their positions by 55 percent to 33 percent, with 12 percent undecided. Democrats are about evenly split between the two choices."




Kwicko, despite all your ranting about the Tea Party being no different than Bush and the neo-cons, it appears you are a part of another minority group besides the homosexuals.


So, get off DT's backside, dickwad.


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Sunday, November 21, 2010 6:17 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

47% of Americans CAN definitively say that the Tea Party is Separate from the GOP.

54% of American either DO NOT believe that or are UNCERTAIN about it.


Based on this metric, most Americans can't tell for sure that the GOP and the Tea Party are different.


Better service would be performed by illustrating places where Tea Party policy and Republican policy definitively diverge.

i.e. Tea Partiers believe X, but Republicans believe Y.
Tea Partiers pursue A, but Republicans pursue B.
Tea Partiers and Republicans took opposite stands on issue C.

At one time, before the Republicans usurped the Tea Party, I could make definitive statements about differences in Tea Party politics vs Republican politics, starting with the issue of WAR and Foreign Adventurism.

But the issue of War is no longer even in the rudimentary planks of the Tea Party. They've come a long way since Ron Paul, but they haven't been moving in the right direction.

--Anthony


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Sunday, November 21, 2010 6:53 AM

KANEMAN


Well, you putting undecided in with agree to get 54% is dishonest. Second, Look at independents. I guess I could change "Most" to "More".

They are both more conservative than the average Democrat. However, the tea party types are more concerned with our constitution and liberty than the average GOP member. A bit more libertarian. 100% of them would have voted with Ron Paul against the "Patriot act". That is the difference that liberals seem to not understand.


Bottom line...The GOP cannot count on the tea party towing the party line.

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Sunday, November 21, 2010 7:56 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I found lumping them in the other direction to be disingenuous as well.

You can't be claimed to know the difference if you actually say you don't know. (Undecided.)

I look forward to the day that the Tea Party and the GOP lock horns over something. Until then, I'm rather undecided myself.

--Anthony

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Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:44 AM

DREAMTROVE


Anthony,

The problem is defining the Tea Party. At the moment, whoever says they're the Tea Party is. So, already they lock horns, but who they are and what over matters a lot.


Oh, and this is a personal attack thread. Just by the title

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Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


On the other hand:
Quote:

More than four in five supporters of the Tea Party movement says the Republican Party represents their values at least moderately well, a new CBS News poll finds - evidence that there is less light between the movement and the party than some in the GOP have feared.

Seventy-one percent of Tea Party supporters say the Republican Party represents their values moderately well, and 11 percent say it represents their values very well. Just 17 percent say the GOP does not represent their values.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20018968-503544.html

On the other other hand:
Quote:

Members of the Tea Party movement do draw distinctions with the Republican Party. Eighty-four percent say there is at least some difference between the movement and the party, while just 15 percent see little or no difference. Republicans and Americans overall are less likely to see a significant difference between party and movement.
Same

and
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Nearly 70 percent of Tea Partiers - but just 37 percent of Republicans - expect the Tea Party to be a long-term political movement. About half of Republicans (and one in four Tea Partiers) expect the movement to become less influential in the long run. Fifty-seven percent of Americans overall agree.
same

Additionally,
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Americans overall are more likely to say the U.S. economy would not be better off without the bank and auto bailouts. Tea Party supporters disagree. Sixty-three percent say the U.S. economy would be better off had the big banks been allowed to fail, and 64 percent say the economy would have been better off had the automakers been allowed to fail.



Americans are split overall when it comes to whether tax cuts or deficit reduction should be the nation's priority. Not Tea Partiers: Fifty-six percent favor tax cuts, while 36 percent support deficit reduction.

Seventy-one percent of Tea Partiers say Medicare and Social Security are worthwhile programs, a view shared by Americans overall.

How America Sees the Tea Party

Thirty percent of Americans say the Tea Party reflects the views of most Americans, while 41 percent say it does not. Eighty-two percent of Tea Partiers believe their views reflect the beliefs of most Americans.

Nearly half of voters say a candidate's Tea Party affiliation would not have an impact on how they vote. But such an affiliation appears to be a net negative: While 16 percent says it would make them more likely to vote for a candidate, 29 percent says it makes them less likely.

Three in four Tea Partiers say media coverage of their movement is too harsh, and only 19 percent say it is fair. Overall, however, 43 percent of Americans say the coverage is fair.

Eighteen percent of Americans - including 35 percent of Republicans and 19 percent of independents - call themselves Tea Party supporters. Sixty-three percent say they are not.

Asked what the movement's goal should be, 18 percent said change the direction of the country/take the country back; 17 percent said reduce the size of government/reduce government control; and nine percent said promoting American or traditional values.

Asked whether Republicans running for office are motivated by solving the country's problems or by obtaining political power, both Tea Partiers are Republicans are roughly evenly split. Among Americans overall, only one in four say GOP candidates want to solve the country's problems. Sixty-six percent say they are primarily interested in obtaining power.

Six in ten Tea Partiers are men, and nine in ten are white. Most make between $30,000 and $100,000 per year, identify as Protestant and conservative, and have at least some college education. They are spread around the country, though are most likely to be found in the South. Almost half are between the ages of 45 and 64.

same.

What this tells me:

1. 1. The vast majority (4 out of 5) of Tea Partiers agree with the GOP.
2. Eight-four percent think there are differences between the two.
3. Most Tea Partiers expect it to be a long-term movement; only 37% of Republicans do. Over half of Americans think it will not be long-term.
4. More Americans think the bank/auto bailouts were a good thing; 63-64% of Tea Partiers think they should have failed.
5. Tho’ Americans are split over whether tax cuts or deficit reduction are more important, Tea Partiers are in favor of tax cuts by a margin of 56%-36%.
6. Tea Partiers and Americans in general agree Medicare and Social Security are good.
7. Americans say the Tea Party doesn’t reflect their views 41%-38%, while 82%of Tea Partiers say they are.
8. Of American29% say they’d be less likely to vote for a Tea Party candidate, while only 16% said it would make them more; the remaining percentage say it would have no influence.
9. Three in four Tea Partiers think they’re not getting a fair shake from the media; 54% of Americans think the coverage is fair.
10. The large majority of Tea Partiers are men (6/10ths), white (9/10ths) and most are conservative, Protestant, and make between $30,000 and $100,000, are in the South, and half are between 45 and 64.

So, for me at least, they’re largely older, conservative, white, Southern males of roughly above-average income, GOP-leaning more in favor of tax cuts than deficit reduction. While they think they represent our views by a large margin, almost half Americans think they don’t. Over 60% of them think we should have let the banks and auto makers fail as opposed to over half Americans thinking we should have bailed them out. About half of them think Republican legislators are more interested in solving the country’s problems rather than gaining power, while 63% of the rest of us just think they want power.

O’Donnel: “I am you”.
Me (and a good portion of Americans): “No you’re not, not by a huge margin!”

And they’re FAR closer to the GOP than they are to anyone else, including the American people.



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Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The question of Constitution and liberty wasn't in the poll, however:
Quote:

Asked what the movement's goal should be, 18 percent said change the direction of the country/take the country back; 17 percent said reduce the size of government/reduce government control; and nine percent said promoting American or traditional values.
Not sure if they know what they mean by "take the country back"...or even "reduce government", or even "traditional values". I would like to see them respond to what they mean by those statements, and I may be prejudiced, but from what I heard of Tea Partiers interviewed at protests, they don't have a good grasp on those phrases or how specifically they would accomplish them.

I assume the remaining percent had too many different answers to the question to add up to more than 9% of those respondig.




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Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:31 AM

KANEMAN


On the other hand:
Quote:

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More than four in five supporters of the Tea Party movement says the Republican Party represents their values at least moderately well, a new CBS News poll finds - evidence that there is less light between the movement and the party than some in the GOP have feared.

Seventy-one percent of Tea Party supporters say the Republican Party represents their values moderately well, and 11 percent say it represents their values very well. Just 17 percent say the GOP does not represent their values.





Well, of course. The tea party is right of center and no one is arguing that. The GOP establishment can't reley on the tea party to march in lock step with leadership is my point, and any that do will be tossed out if it is fiscally irresponsible....the tea party will police their own and take more GOP seats next term.....It is not the tea party's fault the other two have made it a 2 party system. They have to run under a party banner and the Rep are a better fit.....however they are different. Ask Karl rove or mitch.

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Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:48 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

There's no reason they can't be a third party, and more successful than the Republicans. This is most especially true if they feel they represent the values of the majority of Americans.

--Anthony

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