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Gas tax may be next Tea Party target

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Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, good. Let the infrastructure deteriorate further.
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You may want to consider investing in some good shock absorbers for your car this fall.

Fresh from blocking any new tax increases during the debt ceiling debacle, some lawmakers in Congress may now oppose renewing the federal tax on gasoline and diesel fuel, which is used to maintain our nations highways.

The federal gas tax of 18.4 cents a gallon expires at the end of September. In order to keep the gas tax, lawmakers would need to vote to extend the highway funding bill, which is what the gas tax is tied to.

There are no official efforts to scrap the tax yet but as first noted in the journal Politco, momentum appears to be moving in that direction.

A bill was recently introduced by Senate Republicans that would allow states to opt out of the federal highway program. The highway program uses $32 billion each year collected by the gas tax, plus a handful of smaller fees and some borrowing to distribute some $50 billion a year to the states for road construction, maintenance and mass transit projects.

That represents about 28% of all road and transit spending nationwide, with the rest coming from states or towns in the form of tolls, registration and user fees, state gas taxes or their general funds.

Spendthrift motorists shouldn't get too excited by the prospect of eliminating the federal gas tax, which costs the average driver around $100 a year. The states would presumably make up for the loss of federal funds by increasing their own gas tax or other driving-related fees.

But for those who support ending the federal levy, the thinking is that the states could do a better job of building and maintaining the nation's infrastructure.

there's the question of federal oversight. Federal money often requires the use of union labor or comes with other stipulations.

"The Davis-Bacon law increases the cost of new roads, bridges etc. by 25% to 33%," Grover Norquist, head of the advocacy group Americans for Tax Reform, said referring to the law that stipulates how much workers on federal projects need to be paid. "Much money is siphoned off to pay union workers in subway systems or to build bike paths....not roads."

About 15% of federal funds go toward mass transit and other things not road related, according to the Transportation Department.

Norquist didn't say if he'll use his considerable influence among Republicans to attempt to kill the gas tax next month, but did say "we should move now, or soon, to allow all states to raise and keep their own gas taxes to build and fix roads."

That sounds like a good idea on the face of it, but:
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Supporters of the tax argue federal involvement allows roads to be built and maintained to uniform standards that ensure the smooth and safe flow of travel and commerce.

Having a patchwork of roads with different weight limits, lane widths, or curvature would be a headache for truckers and possibly dangerous for everyone, said Ken Orski, publisher of the infrastructure industry publication Innovation NewsBriefs and a former transportation official in the Nixon and Ford administrations.

Even if states had to build the roads to a federal standard, Washington still acts as as a kind of equalizer when it comes to highway funding. Under the federal system, states on the coasts with large populations often end up sending money to states in the middle of the country that have thousand of miles of open roads but fewer taxpayers to help fund them.

That makes sense, said Orski, as the roads in the middle of the country take a beating by heavy trucks shipping commerce from one coast to the other.

"We are one nation, and we need a national highway system," he said.

That helps explain why some big business groups not only want to keep the federal gas tax, but want it raised.

Both the Chamber of Commerce and General Motors (GM, Fortune 500) have recently come out in favor of a higher gas tax -- the latter arguing for a dollar-a-gallon increase.

They note that the 18.4 cent-a-gallon tax hasn't been raised since 1993, and now has the inflation-adjusted buying power of just 11 cents. Plus, fuel efficiency has been rising steadily each year along with miles driven, meaning Americans are putting more miles on roads while paying less to maintain them.

My personal opinion? This is why they're going after it:
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Federal money often requires the use of union labor or comes with other stipulations.

"The Davis-Bacon law increases the cost of new roads, bridges etc. by 25% to 33%," Grover Norquist, head of the advocacy group Americans for Tax Reform, said referring to the law that stipulates how much workers on federal projects need to be paid. "Much money is siphoned off to pay union workers in subway systems or to build bike paths....not roads." {but, aren't bike paths a good idea to encourage other modes of transportatoin than cars?}

All quotes from http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/04/news/economy/gas-tax/index.htm?iid=HP_
LN&hpt=hp_bn4


And oh, goodie, this could be the next thing to hold hostage to get what they want...

What do you think?

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Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:36 AM

DREAMTROVE


Niki

Almost nothing from gas tax ever goes to infrastructure, that's why we still have local non-school property tax, and why we have toll roads.

However, you can see here further evidence that the oil industry has bought a heavy interest in the tea party,


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Not sure I agree.
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...most people do not know exactly where the money they spend on car and road taxes goes – they only know that the money does not go to fix the roads. This is a misnomer, as some of the money does indeed go to repair roads and support the infrastructure. There are other uses for the car and road tax that may not be apparent or obvious to the average citizen. More at http://www.whatgas.com/tax/road-tax.aspx from Mary Peters, U.S. Secretary of Transportation, back in 2007:
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You know, I think Americans would be shocked to learn that only about 60 percent of the gas tax money that they pay today actually goes into highway and bridge construction. Much of it goes in many, many other areas. More at http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/transportation/july-dec07/infrastructur
e_08-15.html

Whether that holds true or not, I don't know, but it doesn't seem as if "almost nothing", tho' certainly not "all".




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Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:49 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Niki2:
And oh, goodie, this could be the next thing to hold hostage to get what they want...

What do you think?


I think its strange to see anyone in Congress holding things up in order to cut taxes and reduce spending.

Normally they hold things up to get more pork for their favorite pet projects.

As for getting rid of the gas tax, it will only benifit the top 1% because nobody uses gas except the rich corporate jet owners.

H

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Thursday, August 4, 2011 12:23 PM

DREAMTROVE


Gas tax is split between federal and state. I dubious of highway maintenance expenditures. Also their estimates of gosts are about sommetimes hundreds of times too high.

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Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:18 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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