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Black Flash Mobs

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Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/18/flashmobs.police/index.html?hpt=hp_bn
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Hello,

How cool am I? ;-)

--Anthony



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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi



You are very cool indeed, T. :)

What I see on the tape at the time you marked is quite a few people doing what can only be described as NOT trashing a store and NOT stealing and NOT picking the shelves clean. I think I may have even seen someone pick up some stuff off the floor - clearly these "mobs" are completely out of control and bent on mayhem and wholesale destruction.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:07 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

That is what struck me.

One fellow knocked some stuff off a shelf. The person immediately behind that fellow (a young lady) picked up the fallen merchandise and restored it to the shelf.

A 'mob' is made up of 'people.'

And not all people are the same.

--Anthony



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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:40 AM

NIKI2

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Yes, I paid attention to it as well, and what I noticed were numerous people walking around with their hands in their pockets, or nothing IN their hands, just wandering around. Would be interesting to have a video of the entire store, then follow individuals around and see what percentage of them actually took things, as opposed to which percentage were just walking around. Can't do it, of course, but some of them definitely weren't stealing anything.


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Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:33 AM

AURAPTOR

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Flash Mobs in Philadelphia: Sorry PC America, They are a Racial Thing

By Erik Uliasz at 12:50 pm on Saturday August 13, 2011

For almost a year, police departments in several cities around the country, most noticeably in Baltimore, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, and Chicago( NOT mentioned are similar attacks in Atlanta, Peoria may more cities.. ) , are investigating "flash mob"-generated violence, in which packs of dozens or even hundreds of youths, organized through social media sites, appear seemingly out of nowhere to commit assaults, robberies, and other crimes against innocent bystanders.

But here is the dirty little secret that PC media has been tiptoeing around all summer—the perpetrators are African-American and the victims are mostly white.

A Color-Blind Media

Here are two good examples of media outlets failing to identify the ethnicity of the attackers:

The Philadelphia Inquirer, which did not identify the race of the attackers (they were called “unruly teens”) or victims in stories, quoted one of the victims in Center City, Jeremy Schenkel. A “shirtless kid punched him in the head,” the paper reported. “Schenkel fell against a car, then to the ground. His glasses flew off, cracked. He tried to shield himself.”

After weeks as failing to report the race of the assailants in several Chicago flash mobs, a Chicago Tribune writer named Mary Schmick attempted to justify her paper’s conduct, and was spectacularly unconvincing, finally admitting the obvious, “So, yes, the attackers were black. We notice. But how to measure the relevance of the fact?"

http://www.philly2philly.com/politics_community/politics_community_art
icles/2011/8/13/47591/flash_mobs_philadelphia_sorry_pc_amer





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Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:39 AM

AURAPTOR

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August 16, 2011
Somebody Finally Said It
By Thomas Sowell

Someone at long last has had the courage to tell the plain, honest truth about race.

After mobs of young blacks rampaged through Philadelphia committing violence -- as similar mobs have rampaged through Chicago, Denver, Milwaukee and other places -- Philadelphia's black mayor, Michael A. Nutter, ordered a police crackdown and lashed out at the whole lifestyle of those who did such things.


"Pull up your pants and buy a belt 'cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt," he said. "If you walk into somebody's office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won't hire you? They don't hire you 'cause you look like you're crazy," the mayor said. He added: "You have damaged your own race."

While this might seem like it is just plain common sense, what Mayor Nutter said undermines a whole vision of the world that has brought fame, fortune and power to race hustlers in politics, the media and academia. Any racial disparities in hiring can only be due to racism and discrimination, according to the prevailing vision, which reaches from street corner demagogues to the august chambers of the Supreme Court of the United States.

Just to identify the rioters and looters as black is a radical departure, when mayors, police chiefs and the media in other cities report on these outbreaks of violence without mentioning the race of those who are doing these things. The Chicago Tribune even made excuses for failing to mention race when reporting on violent attacks by blacks on whites in Chicago.

Such excuses might make sense if the same politicians and media talking heads were not constantly mentioning race when denouncing the fact that a disproportionate number of young black men are being sent to prison.

The prevailing social dogma is that disparities in outcomes between races can only be due to disparities in how these races are treated. In other words, there cannot possibly be any differences in behavior.

But if black and white Americans had exactly the same behavior patterns, they would be the only two groups on this planet that are the same.

The Chinese minority in Malaysia has long been more successful and more prosperous than the Malay majority, just as the Indians in Fiji have long been more successful and more prosperous than the indigenous Fijians. At various places and times throughout history, the same could be said of the Armenians in Turkey, the Lebanese in Sierra Leone, the Parsees in India, the Japanese in Brazil, and numerous others.

There are similar disparities within particular racial or ethnic groups. Even this late in history, I have had northern Italians explain to me why they are not like southern Italians. In Australia, Jewish leaders in both Sydney and Melbourne went to great lengths to tell me why and how the Jews are different in these two cities.

In the United States, despite the higher poverty level among blacks than among whites, the poverty rate among black married couples has been in single digits since 1994. The disparities within the black community are huge, both in behavior and in outcomes.

Nevertheless, the dogma persists that differences between groups can only be due to the way others treat them or to differences in the way others perceive them in "stereotypes."

All around the country, people in politics and the media have been tip-toeing around the fact that violent attacks by blacks on whites in public places are racially motivated, even when the attackers themselves use anti-white invective and mock the victims they leave lying on the streets bleeding.

This is not something to ignore or excuse. It is something to be stopped. Mayor Michael Nutter of Philadelphia seems to be the first to openly recognize this.

This needs to be done for the sake of both black and white Americans -- and even for the sake of the hoodlums. They have set out on a path that leads only downward for themselves.

Copyright 2011, Creators Syndicate Inc.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:08 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Like Wulf, Raptor, you seem to be intent on the race of the participants. I am at a loss as to how it is important.

How is the experience changed?

What is special about a 'Black' flash mob over any mob of people anywhere?

What special tactics will uniquely work because of race? How is race pivotal in creating a solution?

--Anthony





_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:16 AM

NIKI2

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Oh, Anthony, you silly man! You DO realize you're asking actual, real QUESTIONS of Rap and Wulf. You might want to see to that . It's VITALLY important to them that they're Black (or Muslim; anything else they'd probably ignore). You want the real bottom line? They're both SCARED TO DEATH of "others", and Muslims are the most recent "others", while Blacks have LONG been the "others". That's it, pure and simple. Fear is behind all hatred, it's a psychological fact.

I'll be interested to see how they respond (if they bother). No, they WILL bother, because as important as it is to them that the flash mobs are Black, it is equally important to TALK ABOUT IT. There's no way they'd not follow the urge to rant further. Wait for it...


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Monday, August 22, 2011 6:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Once I get to the term "race hustlers", I stop reading.

It's the accusatory tone of such a derogatory insult, like when PN blames every ill in the world on "the Jews". I need read no further, because I know there is no valid information to be gleaned from such a person.

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Monday, August 22, 2011 6:44 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh, Anthony, you silly man! You DO realize you're asking actual, real QUESTIONS of Rap and Wulf. You might want to see to that . It's VITALLY important to them that they're Black (or Muslim; anything else they'd probably ignore). You want the real bottom line? They're both SCARED TO DEATH of "others", and Muslims are the most recent "others", while Blacks have LONG been the "others". That's it, pure and simple. Fear is behind all hatred, it's a psychological fact.

I'll be interested to see how they respond (if they bother). No, they WILL bother, because as important as it is to them that the flash mobs are Black, it is equally important to TALK ABOUT IT. There's no way they'd not follow the urge to rant further. Wait for it...


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off






Yup. Just like it's so important to point out the President's race every time they point out what they think are his failings, or just what bugs them about him.

Never mind the fact that President Obama is exactly as much white as he is black. Apparently for Rap and Wulf, one drop of black blood taints the man completely.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:46 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Like Wulf, Raptor, you seem to be intent on the race of the participants. I am at a loss as to how it is important.

How is the experience changed?

What is special about a 'Black' flash mob over any mob of people anywhere?

What special tactics will uniquely work because of race? How is race pivotal in creating a solution?

--Anthony





Gee, I don't know, Anthony. Why don't you ask the victims of these mobs. Victims who are almost, if not entirely, exclusively white.

Go and pretend that's not happening... oh, sorry. You're already there.

Let's just be like Obama, and blame technology or some such, mmkay ? Worked for his excuse as to the loss of jobs...

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/575363/201106141840/B
eatable-And-He-Knows-It.aspx


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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:19 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

You didn't actually address any of the questions, and then made an unrelated departure into an Obama topic.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:24 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:


You didn't actually address any of the questions, and then made an unrelated departure into an Obama topic.


It does not matter what the race is of the person or the mob, if you are the target of a mob attack your best bet is to exit the area as quickly as possible or, if unable to get away, fight for your life.

A third option is to suffer the violence and pray they don't kill you or leave you crippled.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:33 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:


You didn't actually address any of the questions, and then made an unrelated departure into an Obama topic.


It does not matter what the race is of the person or the mob, if you are the target of a mob attack your best bet is to exit the area as quickly as possible or, if unable to get away, fight for your life.

A third option is to suffer the violence and pray they don't kill you or leave you crippled.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.



Hello,

Your assessment of the situation is similar to my own, Hero.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 4:06 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Hello,

You didn't actually address any of the questions, and then made an unrelated departure into an Obama topic.

And there you have it. Rappy's entire approach to the world in a nutshell: Flight from thought and automatic partisanship.

Tony, you have waaaay more patience than me.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:17 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Wulf,

If you like videos, watch the video on this page.

Pay special attention at the timeframe of 4:00-4:05. Play it multiple times if you need to.

Then tell me what you saw.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi





Looks like, once again, when his bullshit is challenged, ol Wulfie ran like a bitch.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:18 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

You didn't actually address any of the questions, and then made an unrelated departure into an Obama topic.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi



You've dealt with Rappy before, yes? Is this behavior a surprise?

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:57 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Anthony, sorry to say it, but "Toldja so!" Would be nice if it weren't so and any of them could answer a question, but for heaven's sake, don't hold your breath.

I agree with Hero; no matter what race, creed, religion or nationality, a mob is a mob is a mob, and best get out of its way!


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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:43 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Hello,

You didn't actually address any of the questions, and then made an unrelated departure into an Obama topic.

And there you have it. Rappy's entire approach to the world in a nutshell: Flight from thought and automatic partisanship.

Tony, you have waaaay more patience than me.



And the both of you ignored the crucial point of the entire issue.

I can understand why, though.

Y'all seem to think that there's nothing unique about these sorts of mobs. It's clear there is overwhelmingly something going on here. Thomas Sowell,( yes, he's black ) acknowledges it. Of course, in YOUR eyes, he's a sell out, an 'uncle tom', because he doesn't tow the left wing line. It would appear that he's not the right sort of 'black', because he's ..well, Right.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:54 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

You seem to have some odd ideas about my ideas, and now you are imagining me tossing around epithets and changing my political party.

You still have not addressed the central questions of how a mob's race composition gives it special character or capability. How certain tactics might be uniquely used to defend against a homogenous mob.

In short, you have failed to show how it matters in any practical sense.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:06 AM

AURAPTOR

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I haven't failed at anything.

You're ignoring the specific nature of these mobs, that young black youths, across the country, are participating in this sort of activity.

Sowell points out the statistical data which points to unmarried blacks doing worse financially than their married counter parts, but I don't know how much that has to play into it all. Do you ? Seems you're afraid of even addressing the issue, so much so , you deny there IS any issue.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:16 AM

NIKI2

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As always, Raptor avoids the questions and go on ranting, snarks by telling us what we "think". None of that applies to anyone, of course, but it's something to write which he can try to use to (hopefully) divert the discussion. Won't work with me; looks like it won't work with Anthony either.

No, "unmarried blacks doing worse financially than their married counter parts (sic)" doesn't answer ANY of the questions; if anything, it addresses WHY mobs may be made up of young black people, but that's all. And we're in now way "ignoring" the makeup of these mobs, we're ASKING specifically about them.

Just so we stay on track, these are the ACTUAL questions:

1. How is the experience changed if the mob is "young black youths"?

2. What is special about a 'Black' flash mob over any mob of people anywhere?

3. What special tactics will uniquely work because of race?

4. How is race pivotal in creating a solution?

I'll add my own: "Who exactly is denying there is an issue with flash mobs?" and "How are we not addressing said issue?"

Me, I don't expect you'll ever answer any of the questions, and if diversion and snarking don't do what you want, you'll run away, as usual. Or claim you "won" . Which is it to be, I wonder?


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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:20 AM

AURAPTOR

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Where is this bizarre phraseology on ' how the experience is changed' because it's black vs what if it were other folks doing this ??

That's a complete dodge of the issue !

Blacks ARE doing this ! And ONLY blacks ! This isn't a case where you can toss into the equation some hypothetical, because it's pointless to DO so.

In short, you're getting stuck on stupid. Deal with what IS happening, not what 'might' or 'could' happen.

The question you are ignoring , is "WHY ?".
Why is this happening.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:20 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello Raptor,

Your arguments are bizarre. I have never denied that there is an issue. There obviously is an issue if people are assembling for criminal purposes in large numbers.

You keep pointing at a man who gave a heartfelt speech, indicating that the mob participants are damaging their race.

Yet you somehow miss the fact that the mob participants can only 'damage their race' if persons like yourself make broad assumptions about a race of people because of the skin color of these criminals.

I have seen all kinds of mobs, and all kinds of criminals, Raptor. Of every ethnicity and color. These kinds of activities are all carried out by poor, angry, desperate people who have disconnected from society because they feel that society has disconnected from them. There's no color-coded technique for solving that problem. It's a people problem. If we reduce the amount of poor, angry, desperate people in our neighborhoods, we will consequently reduce the amount of thieves, thugs, and vandals in the world.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:30 AM

ANTHONYT

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"Blacks ARE doing this ! And ONLY blacks !"

Hello,

Raptor, what you see is a very mild change of flavor and composition to a problem that has existed all my life. It just has a new name now, perhaps because of people such as yourself who are staring wide-eyed at the skin of the criminals. It's not even enough to call it a Flash Mob. It must be a Black Flash Mob.

Groups of people getting together and wreaking havoc and destruction, stealing from stores, and beating up bystanders?

We used to call them gangs of hooligans. We used to call them Sharks and Jets and sing songs about it.

Now they're Flash Mobs, and you are aghast at the novelty of it all.

We just saw this very thing go down in the U.K. within the past month. Mostly not blacks.

So how is 'Black' a special designator? How are 'Black' flash mobs special?

I don't think they are. This is a new name for an old thing being done in a slightly novel way. If our socio-economic situation doesn't improve, you'll see more of it. And maybe with some fancy new media-savvy names attached.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:35 AM

AURAPTOR

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This is novel, and I'm for you to claim otherwise is simply ridiculous.

Perhaps your ignorance on what truly is happening , due to the lack of media coverage, emboldens you to draw such casual and nonchalant conclusions, but that's a 'you' issue.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:52 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I have reviewed the tapes.

I see large numbers of people walking through stores and other areas. Some of them take items. Some of them disturb the order of the merchandise. Some of them vandalize property. Some of them attack a bystander. Then they get gone before the police arrive.

Is there a missing item you'd like to point out to me?

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:53 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is novel, and I'm for you to claim otherwise is simply ridiculous.




Just preserving this as evidence of the Raptard's typical butchering of language in his never-ending quest to avoid direct questions and be the biggest neocon douche he can be.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:39 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Novel? Didn't New York have "wildings" for a while? Weren't those almost exclusively Caucasian males? That was "novel", wasn't it? Do they still have them?

We all recognize your absolute terror at the idea of "Black People" being out to getcha, little tiny man. It's just that you see ghosts where there aren't any...if these flash mobs continue, you can bet your booties there'll be WHITE people mobbing before long, too.

The point we've been trying to make is why is it important that it's a BLACK mob? What is the difference between a mob of blacks and a mob of whites...or do you think somehow blacks are more dangerous? And if so, why?

You still haven't answered a single, solitary question. Once again I ask: Why does anyone bother ever trying to carry on a conversation, debate, or anything ELSE with Raptor? It beats me.


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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:29 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Novel? Didn't New York have "wildings" for a while? Weren't those almost exclusively Caucasian males?



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I'm gonna hafta stir the pot a little here, Niki. You've mentioned wilding twice now, as a Caucasian thing.

I thought that specifically was a black thing.

I checked the Wikipedia article-- it redirected me to the Central Park jogger case.
The 5 originally convicted defendants in that case certainly sound like black teenagers-- they got on a train in Harlem, they all had " black" names ( One was a Yuseef, and I didn't record the others, but there weren't any Johnny Joneses or Reginald vanGleasons), they were publicly defended by acknowledgedly " black" newspapers. Wikipedia didn't mention their race.

I don't wanna be on the side of Wulf and Rap here, but I think you might be using a bad example.

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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thanx, NewOld...when I heard about it, it seemed to indicate most of them were white. Ah, well, changes nothing really. Those were 'novel' at the time, and now they're but a distant memory. So "novel" doesn't mean anything, and it's not important really. A mob is a mob is a mob, and if it is violent, ways need to be found to stop it. Black, white, green, purple; it's only our terrified righties who find it soooo important what color their skin is.

True RWAs our guys, scared of every shadow, seeing apocalypse around every corner. I take pleasure in their fear, it shows them for what they are.


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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:42 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Isn't that the case where the accused were eventually exonerated by DNA evidence, and a man named Matias Reyes was eventually convicted?

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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:53 AM

ANTHONYT

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http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/08/police_arrest_man_in_
portland.html


Hello,

Here is a recent 'wilding' article from 2008. It appears that the composition of the criminals is mixed, with three of them definitely not 'Black.'

This is evidence of 'wilding' activity (to use the article's terminology) that does not correspond to stereotype.

--Anthony



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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Isn't that the case where the accused were eventually exonerated by DNA evidence, and a man named Matias Reyes was eventually convicted?

--Anthony



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“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi



You are correct. I simplified ( in truth, OVER-SIMPLIFIED) the long and complex Wikipedia article. That is why I wrote, " originally convicted." It appears that the whole thing may have been a racist mis-interpretation by NYPD detectives, which I bought into. Or maybe years of spin by both sides. Factually, it does appear that none of the black teenagers can be linked to the assault by DNA evidence, but that Reyes CAN, although there are inconsistencies in his story. Nobody mentions his race, either.

All I remembered, truthfully, was the publicity at the time of the crime. Seems, as I remember it, that a lot of black institutions were like today's mayor of Philly, willing to admit that black teens HAD engaged in the behavior, and that they therefore needed to correct themselves.

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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:21 AM

NIKI2

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Thanx, Anthony, it appears my original comments weren't as off the mark as I thought. Couple of whites, couple of blacks, couple of hispanics. A truly color-blind "mob", as it were.


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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:38 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/08/police_arrest_man_in_
portland.html


Hello,

Here is a recent 'wilding' article from 2008. It appears that the composition of the criminals is mixed, with three of them definitely not 'Black.'



Uh, oh. You might make Wulfie cry.

If he has the balls to even acknowledge this.

Which I doubt.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:41 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is novel, and I'm for you to claim otherwise is simply ridiculous.




Just preserving this as evidence of the Raptard's typical butchering of language in his never-ending quest to avoid direct questions and be the biggest neocon douche he can be.




Preserve away, but what you falsely label me as doesn't change the facts.

I have addressed the direct question, but you aren't hearing me. Probably because you don't want to. I really don't care.

And as so often the case, you toss our an inaccurate term to describe me as.. 'necon'. Much like 'fascist', you have to stand the definitions on their heads before you can accurately apply them to me.

But alas, details to you are like water off a duck's back.


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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:59 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Thanx, Anthony, it appears my original comments weren't as off the mark as I thought. Couple of whites, couple of blacks, couple of hispanics. A truly color-blind "mob", as it were.


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Niki,
I'm sure you've seen my reply to Antony by now.
If I owe you an apology, one is respectfully submitted.

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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Thanx, NewOld...when I heard about it, it seemed to indicate most of them were white. Ah, well, changes nothing really. Those were 'novel' at the time, and now they're but a distant memory. So "novel" doesn't mean anything, and it's not important really. A mob is a mob is a mob, and if it is violent, ways need to be found to stop it. Black, white, green, purple; it's only our terrified righties who find it soooo important what color their skin is.

True RWAs our guys, scared of every shadow, seeing apocalypse around every corner. I take pleasure in their fear, it shows them for what they are.


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off








Anyone here remember Michael Griffith being killed by a white "flash mob" in Howard Beach, New York? What about Willie Turks or Yusuf Hawkins?

Apparently white mob violence was a big enough issue at the time to inspire Spike Lee's masterpiece "Do the Right Thing". It all seem so distant and novel now...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Silly NewOld, dinna fash yerself; of course you don't need to apologize! I wasn't sure myself, and it could have been either, I'm glad Anthony clarified it for us.
Quote:

These kinds of activities are all carried out by poor, angry, desperate people who have disconnected from society because they feel that society has disconnected from them. There's no color-coded technique for solving that problem. It's a people problem. If we reduce the amount of poor, angry, desperate people in our neighborhoods, we will consequently reduce the amount of thieves, thugs, and vandals in the world.
That's the valid point and the ONLY valid point. That there are black people doing it is totally irrelevant; it's happened all through history and will continue to happen wherever there are disenfranchised people and huge gaps between the haves and the have nots.

It's only Wulf and Raptor who are so adamant that because it's MOSTLY black people (not all, little guys, we've already proven that), it's a new and terrifying thing. We know they're terrified, we know why, and we know it's irrelevant.

I love how Raptor says he's answered the "direct question", when he hasn't answered ANY of the questions, just gone on repeating his assertion that this is something it's not. Fear, fear, fear; must really suck to be you two scared whiteys. I could say something about all the black people who've been abused by people in positions of authority (cops) who have often utilized brute force which nobody can stop, but naturally those are the "good guys" and, because these hooligans are MOSTLY black, they must be something new and especially terrifying. Poor Wulf, poor Raptor, stuck in their fear of a race of people behaving like other people have throughout history!

I can just see them, down in their basement on their computers, cowering in fear: "No! No! The blacks are out to get us (me)! Where are the cops to protect us? Look! Look everyone! It's a mob of black people, and they're going to take over the whole COUNTRY! Why isn't everyone paying ATTENTION?!" Poor little men. What can you say/do?

It's so funny that they've been crowing "We're gonna take up arms and GIT all you liberals and socialists !" all this time, then have them reverse themselves when (omigawd ) it's OTHERS who are acting out. Ah, the irony of it all...


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Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

s so funny that they've been crowing "We're gonna take up arms and GIT all you liberals and socialists!" all this time, then have them reverse themselves when (omigawd) it's OTHERS who are acting out. Ah, the irony of it all...



Oh, indeed. As I pointed out before, Wulfie's really just mad that someone else beat him to it and showed some initiative to do what he's far too cowardly to do himself.

Wulfie, I think you should go right into Harlem or "Bodymore" and really show 'em how it's done. Go ahead. You can be a mob of one!




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