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Ooops,"Federal appeals court blocks state lawsuit over health care reform law"

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Thursday, September 8, 2011 1:00 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Lessee, who was it crowing about a lawsuit being won against the healthcare law? Wulf? Raptor? Maybe a bit early to be crowing, given so many lawsuits in such different places on the path to the Supremes. This one went the other way:
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A federal appeals court has tossed out Virginia's lawsuit against the sweeping health care reform effort championed by President Barack Obama, after the three-judge panel concluded Thursday the state lacks the jurisdictional authority to challenge the 2010 law.

The unanimous decision sets up a certain Supreme Court review in coming months.

"Virginia, the sole plaintiff here, lacks standing to bring this action," said the ruling from the 4th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals. "Accordingly, we vacate the judgment of the district court and remand with instructions to dismiss the case for lack of subject-matter jurisdiction."

The Richmond-based court becomes the second such federal court to uphold the constitutionality of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, particularly the "individual mandate" provision requiring most Americans to purchase health insurance by 2014 or face a financial penalty. Another appeals court had ruled against the administration.

That "circuit split" ensures the nine justices will take the case, although there is no timetable or deadline for them to decide the matter. But the various appeals coming their way promise to become a major 2012 campaign issue.

The three judges from the 4th Circuit hearing the case -- Diana Gribbon Motz, Andre Davis, and James Wynn-- all were named to the bench by Democratic presidents. They were unanimous in their conclusion the state lawsuit should be blocked on jurisdictional grounds. A separate lawsuit by private Liberty University also was rejected on similar grounds. The school, which bills itself as the largest Christian evangelical college in the world, had claimed the law would allow taxpayer dollars to fund abortions, a claim the Obama administration rejects.
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"If we were to adopt Virginia's standing theory, each state could become a roving constitutional watchdog of sorts; no issue, no matter how generalized or quintessentially political, would fall beyond a state's power to litigate in federal court. We cannot accept a theory of standing that so contravenes settled jurisdictional constraints," said the ruling.
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But the Justice Department applauded the court's reasoning.

"Throughout history, there have been similar challenges to other landmark legislation such as the Social Security Act, the Civil Rights Act, and the Voting Rights Act, and all of those challenges failed as well," said a statement from the department. "We will continue to vigorously defend the health care reform statute in any litigation challenging it, and we believe we will prevail."

More than two dozen other legal challenges to the law are floating in lower federal courts.
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Virginia officials had argued the Constitution's Commerce Clause does not give government the authority to force Americans to purchase a commercial product like health insurance that they may not want or need. The state equated such a requirement to a burdensome regulation of "inactivity." Virginia is one of the few states in the country with a specific law saying residents cannot be forced to buy insurance.

But Virginia's solicitor general, Duncan Getchell, struggled during argument to justify state intervention on behalf of its citizens -- an issue known as standing. The judges from the bench suggested similar past court cases limited state options to challenge federal laws.

The Justice Department countered the state's argument by saying that since every American will need medical care at some point in their lives, individuals do not "choose" to participate in the health care market. Federal officials cite 2008 figures of $43 billion in uncompensated costs from the millions of uninsured people who receive health services, costs that are shifted to insurance companies and passed on to consumers. More at http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/08/virginia.health.law/index.html to the Supremes! http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/08/virginia.health.law/index.html

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Thursday, September 8, 2011 2:43 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Forcing everyone to buy insurance without providing a public option is just theft that favors insurance companies.

As I look at my own insurance options for the upcoming year at work, I realize that Health Insurance Reform has proved to be an utter disaster. If I manage to stay employed for the next year, I will have the honor of paying more money for less insurance coverage than I have ever had since leaving my High School/College job at Radio Shack.

When I utter the words, "I miss my HMO" then you know that the Health Care situation is in decline.

Do it Right or Kill it.

At the moment, I hope it Dies.

--Anthony


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Thursday, September 8, 2011 2:48 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


And I hope, just like Social Security, Medicare and so many other things, that this is a foot in the door which will be improved upon as time goes on. None of these things ever started out right, they were compromises and almost all of them bad at first. You have to get a foot in the door to get anywhere. I hope I live to see a public option, as it's the only viable end result.

Until then, my sympathy to you and to all of us who have to suffer these initial pangs of something which I fervently hope will, in the end, benefit millions.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:06 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I don't know much about Medicare, but I'm fairly certain that the Social Security situation is getting worse over time, not better.

--Anthony


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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Thursday, September 8, 2011 5:06 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Meanwhile, Texas is among the worst states at providing health care, and one of the most expensive states in which to buy health insurance.


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Thursday, September 8, 2011 7:09 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Meanwhile, Texas is among the worst states at providing health care, and one of the most expensive states in which to buy health insurance.




Hello,

I am sure Arizona will overtake you in a couple of years.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, September 9, 2011 1:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Anthony, I sure hope you're wrong about that. If you're not, it likely means that Arizona's gotten much worse, not that Texas is getting better in this regard. :(

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Friday, September 9, 2011 2:11 AM

WULFENSTAR

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All this means is that its going to go to the Supreme Court.

Which, I believe, will rule the individual mandate (i.e. the federal government forcing you to buy a product) unConstitutional.

Keep in mind, if the government can force you to buy something.. and with your current party on the way out... whats to stop the incoming party from forcing you to say... buy a gun, or a Bible?



"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"



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Friday, September 9, 2011 2:18 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Forcing everyone to buy insurance without providing a public option is just theft that favors insurance companies.



If the law only included the mandate I would agree with you.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
As I look at my own insurance options for the upcoming year at work, I realize that Health Insurance Reform has proved to be an utter disaster. If I manage to stay employed for the next year, I will have the honor of paying more money for less insurance coverage than I have ever had since leaving my High School/College job at Radio Shack.



Really, specificly how has the new health care law made your situation worse and raised insurance rates?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 2:24 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Keep in mind, if the government can force you to buy something.. and with your current party on the way out... whats to stop the incoming party from forcing you to say... buy a gun, or a Bible?



Only if the courts Supreme Court decision is very broad would it mean government could force you to buy anything. It is not an all or nothing thing.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 2:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Which, I believe, will rule the individual mandate
I'm reasonably certain the Supreme Court will side with corporations over individuals. Because corporations are people, too! Only much, much more powerful.

Oh BTW Wulf... if you think the right wing is all about individual freedom, well.... (snicker) I've got a bridge to sell.

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