Uh oh... (Predator drones) by dreamtrove

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Uh oh... (Predator drones)

POSTED BY: DREAMTROVE
UPDATED: Sunday, December 11, 2011 18:03
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Sunday, December 11, 2011 3:59 AM

On the home front.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-drone-arrest-2011
1211,0,324348.story

When do the actions of the govt. against the people fall under the definition of war?

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 5:16 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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When do the actions of the govt. against the people fall under the definition of war?

The short (cynical) answer? Never, as long as the government keeps redefining "war" and "the people".

At present, "war" is anything we say it is (torture is no longer a war crime if you either don't call it torture or don't admit we're at war), and "the people" are whomever we say they are (no illegals, no non-citizens, and no citizens who say uncomfortable truths need apply, for instance. And we're working hard to make sure minorities and the poor are no longer classified as "people" when it comes to voting, and fetuses ARE considered "people").

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 5:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Torture isn't torture when it's not... torture. That's pretty easy to understand.

But hey, if you don't like US drones flying over your property, just contact Iran. Seems they have a counter measure that'll take care of that little problem. Praise be unto Allah, of course.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 7:11 AM

BYTEMITE

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I know you were kidding, but...

Although technically I think Iran might've gotten that tech from Russia or China.

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 7:20 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Not seeing how an unarmed drone is that much different from the helicopters that are used for surveillence pretty much every day. In this case, where law enforcement was trying to locate armed suspects, seems safer.

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 7:21 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
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I know you were kidding, but...

Although technically I think Iran might've gotten that tech from Russia or China.

Yeah,and now China and /or Russia has OUR technology.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 7:50 AM

BYTEMITE

I can think of plenty of reasons why unarmed unmanned surveillance is still not exactly the best precedence ever.

What's next, webcams that can be remotely activated through computer backdoors? (oops)

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:07 AM

DREAMTROVE

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Torture isn't torture when it's not... torture. That's pretty easy to understand.

Don't play dumb. When admitted policy is waterboarding, active practice is cutting off fingers.

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But hey, if you don't like US drones flying over your property, just contact Iran. Seems they have a counter measure that'll take care of that little problem. Praise be unto Allah, of course.

You don't know how tempting that offer is.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:10 AM

DREAMTROVE

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I can think of plenty of reasons why unarmed unmanned surveillance is still not exactly the best precedence ever.

Like how the last time we did it, it was in Iraq and Afghanistan, under Bush, and in a few years it became "now we just kill everyone, weddings, schools, any cluster of humans has to be assumed to be a terrorist cell?" That's gonna never happen here because in testing the drones, there would have been some sort of incident, like, with a drone bombing a school, in like, New Jersey or somewhere... oh yeah, right.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:17 AM

DREAMTROVE

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Not seeing how an unarmed drone is that much different from the helicopters that are used for surveillence pretty much every day. In this case, where law enforcement was trying to locate armed suspects, seems safer.

Ah, the lack of imagination that allows it to continue. I was actually expecting this from further to the left, but you've oblidged nicely.

Skynet just looking, don't worry.
Big brother is watching you, but he won't do anything, go back to bed.

Of course, that was the case we made in Iraq and Afghanistan.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Torture isn't torture when it's not... torture. That's pretty easy to understand.

Don't play dumb. When admitted policy is waterboarding, active practice is cutting off fingers.

Show me the nubs !

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:12 AM

CANTTAKESKY

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I can think of plenty of reasons why unarmed unmanned surveillance is still not exactly the best precedence ever.

Look what happened with hoverdrones in Dark Angel.

Also from the article:

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Flying out of earshot and out of sight, a Predator B can watch a target for 20 hours nonstop, far longer than any police helicopter or manned aircraft.

So it isn't just like a helicopter. It is a superspy plane. The difference between cops knocking on your door with a warrant, and cops contracting thieves to sneak in without one.

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"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want - and their kids pay for it." - Richard Lamm

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:55 AM

DREAMTROVE

I tried, there was an article full of pictures, when I googled, the link took me here (NSFW):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2071336/Kate-Moss-Lara-St
one-Milla-Jovovich-topless-Pirellis-2012-calendar.html

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:58 AM

DREAMTROVE

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Originally posted by canttakesky:

So it isn't just like a helicopter. It is a superspy plane. The difference between cops knocking on your door with a warrant, and cops contracting thieves to sneak in without one.

That was awesome.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 5:09 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I can think of plenty of reasons why unarmed unmanned surveillance is still not exactly the best precedence ever.

What's next, webcams that can be remotely activated through computer backdoors? (oops)

The technology doesn't matter. East Germany had massive and effective surveillance of its entire population using nothing but people, typewriters, microphones, and filing cabinets.

If you think the government is gonna spy on your every move, it doesn't matter if all they have is tin cans and string. You'll still think they'e spying on you.

Within the limits the drone was being used in this case - called in when armed folks threaten a cop with a warrant - I got no problem. Sure would be handy to find folks lost in the wilderness as well.

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 5:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

DT, I did't say 'nips', I said...oh, what the hell. I like your pics better by far.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Sunday, December 11, 2011 6:03 PM

DREAMTROVE

They also come with a video.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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