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Obama signs NDAA ?

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UPDATED: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 15:37
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:28 AM

Google news tells me no matches for Obama signs NDAA, and there were no updates on related stories, the media eye has moved on, and people will remember his resistance and veto threat but not the actual destruction of the constitution.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0111/obama_signs_ndaa_377c1992
-ed7a-4720-b6f7-3cab1fe76506.html

On Christmas Eve, apparently. Merry Christmas my former fellow Americans. (If you're caught opposing him, you're no longer a US citizen, according to the law)

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

So, under Obama, illegals will become legal , and anyone not supporting Obama can be arrested ?

Huh.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:04 AM

DREAMTROVE

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

So, under Obama, illegals will become legal , and anyone not supporting Obama can be arrested ?

Oh come on, you weren't gonna vote for him anyway

That said, I'll concede that the administrations concept of "citizenship" seems to be like klingon justice: a unique point of view.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:28 AM

CANTTAKESKY

So his objections to NDAA are simply the restrictions to transfer Gitmo detainees to the federal court.

"Despite my strong objection to these provisions, which my Administration has consistently opposed, I have signed this Act because of the importance of authorizing appropriations for, among other things, our military activities in 2011."

Grow a backbone, Barack. It's called a V-E-T-O. Make them write it correctly, then ask for money. Ain't rocket science.

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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:05 AM

BYTEMITE

Comments are saying that this was LAST years NDAA... Not that the slow steady creep of decay is anything less to be concerned about.

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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:27 PM

CANTTAKESKY

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Comments are saying that this was LAST years NDAA... Not that the slow steady creep of decay is anything less to be concerned about.

Good point Byte. Date is Jan 2011.

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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Which is why neither I, nor my hubby, nor anyone else we know of, will vote for the spineless wimp. Or, as Nikki2 called him "President Wishy Washy".

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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:27 PM

BYTEMITE

Write-in vote?

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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 2:04 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Ron Paul?

You laugh but just wait and see....

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:49 PM

DREAMTROVE

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Grow a backbone, Barack.

I wish it were that easy, but alas I think that is not who Obama is. I don't mean, not a backbone, that's just a definition of democrat. I mean that Obama is who he says he is, which appears to be some sort of authoritarian nutjob, just this side of the authoritarian nutjobs that are pushing him to be more wacko.

If it were a bill and that were my only objection to it, and they said "and it comes with $600 some billion dollars, I'd probably take it. Gitmo detainee cases before the NDAA *could* in *theory* be transferred to circuit courts, but in reality I think it only happened once, and then with a tremendous amount of political pressure, and hasn't happened for Manning.

Fact is, a huge amount of political pressure could get the military to free a detainee without trial, if you really wanted. They do it all the time.

Byte,

I got comments from 12/23/11, I don't see any from last year. These are the same provisions and objections he is making this year. Link? I mean, if this were last year's I would be embarrassed.

Ah, I see it is by the number. But the comments are saying the same thing, and these comments about gitmo are the same ones I've been reading from Obama last week. I'm confused.

Here's a newer story:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article32324.html

I can't see Obama signs NDAA then. Did it happen? I see Obama abandons veto promise. But no Obama signs.

Okay, another story:
http://mwcnews.net/focus/analysis/15797-indefinite-detention.html
No reports yet on signing the thing, but he clearly intends to.

Also, clarification, this bill, 2012, has more power because it includes that reauthorization for AUMF.

The AUMF, authorization of military force, contained a ten year expiration. The reason the troops came home from Iraq was that the AUMF expires on Dec 31. If Obama vetos this NDAA, he loses the AUMF, and the war ends.

So, instead, there is a new AUMF, and we can send people back to war. Well that's worth sacrificing our civil liberties over.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/an-egregious-violation-of-due-p
rocess/2011/12/21/gIQAnVgHJP_story.html

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/dec2011/ndaa-d27.shtml

Okay, Obama, maybe he's waiting to see how much uproar there will be, but I doubt it. But if he can veto this, there might be hope, because the war also might have to end.

ETA: I apologize for posting the wrong year's story. I really don't have anything to indicate that except the number of the bill, which I had to google to get the date, but Byte is correct, this is the wrong year, good eye.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:00 PM

BYTEMITE

I wouldn't have noticed it either if it weren't for the comments, so it's more the internet having a good eye and my brain sharing in part of that.

The telling phrase is when Obama is talking about funding for 2011 - but 2011 is over. He would be talking about 2012 instead if it were this year's bill.

But you're right, he'll sign it.

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Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:54 AM

CANTTAKESKY

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_16028/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=P5MzX20l

In other Gitmo news, they are proposing to do away with attorney client privilege.

The next memo will read, "Why can't we just execute them already?"

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Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:48 AM

DREAMTROVE

Obama's war on America, I mean on terror, is going to run out of volunteers soon. Oops. I keep forgetting, socialist dictatorships have conscription to deal with that.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:40 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
In other Gitmo news, they are proposing to do away with attorney client privilege.

Bah, they never respected it anyways, they just wanna rubberstamp it and make it all official.
It's kind of an open secret they used surveillance on the attorneys given how often that priviledged information wound up in the hands of prosecutors driving the railroad train of so-called justice, so this is more trying to legitimize it than anything else.

Oh, and FYI - this shit happens on a small scale too, I came seconds-close to fighting words with our own county prosecutor over them three thugs I caught red-handed here....
The second time they dragged me down there she was laughing up her sleeve to *ME* about certain things she could have ONLY learned either by bugging the public defenders office, or (more likely) if he had broken confidence and rolled his clients to her.
Now we had em red-handed, by-the-fucking-book, there was no need, no ryhme or reason whatever to do something like that unless it was so ingrained in their methodology that they wouldn't think not to, you see ?

And I was *pissed*, I sat there seething about it cause I was already tired from a full work shift, dragged out there during what was supposed to be my sleep time and rocking a 103F fever and chills from a seriously nasty case of the flu.

She scampered off before I could start in on her, and they didn't bother to call me into the hearing, so it was all a waste of time for me anyway - but if they had they would have found me suddenly and bitterly uncooperative, since for ME that shit was over the instant we got the residents property back, and I damn well would have spiked the ball on purpose and told em why to their faces.

All prosecutors routinely violate privledge, sometimes via surveillence, but more often cause the paid dive-taker (i.e. public "defender") sells out his client in hopes of someday being on the other side of the courtroom with a stacked deck to work with.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:37 PM

DREAMTROVE

America seems doomed as a nation. The only hope for it I can see is that we take the founding documents and apply them to our states, and use the DoI replacing King George for Washington DC. The upside is that you'd barely have to change a word.

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