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A Vile Rush
Friday, March 2, 2012 6:17 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Friday, March 2, 2012 7:23 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:These denials of contraceptive coverage impact real people. In the worst cases, women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer dire consequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions’ insurance plans, it wouldn’t be, and under Senator Blunt’s amendment, Senator Rubio’s bill, or Representative Fortenberry’s bill, there’s no requirement that an exception be made for such medical needs. When they do exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers, rather than women and their doctors, dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose aren’t, a woman’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body. In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy. After months of paying over $100 out of pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore and had to stop taking it. I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room all night in excruciating pain. She wrote, “It was so painful, I woke up thinking I’d been shot.” Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary. On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she sat in a doctor’s office. Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night sweats, weight gain, and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She’s 32 years old. As she put it: “If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no chance at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies, simply because the insurance policy that I paid for totally unsubsidized by my school wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.” Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at an early age-- increased risk of cancer, heart disease, and osteoporosis, she may never be able to conceive a child. Perhaps you think my friend’s tragic story is rare. It’s not. One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but it can’t be proven without surgery, so the insurance hasn’t been willing to cover her medication. Recently, another friend of mine told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome. She’s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it. Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown’s policy, she hasn’t been reimbursed for her medication since last August. I sincerely pray that we don’t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously. This is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends. A woman’s reproductive healthcare isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority. One student told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered, and she assumed that’s how Georgetown’s insurance handled all of women’s sexual healthcare, so when she was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections because she thought insurance wasn’t going to cover something like that, something that was related to a woman’s reproductive health. As one student put it, “this policy communicates to female students that our school doesn’t understand our needs.” These are not feelings that male fellow students experience. And they’re not burdens that male students must shoulder. . http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/statement-Congress-letterhead-2nd%20hearing.pdf doesn't it mention this? We have we heard one PEEP out of the right about his horrific speech...somehow I doubt we ever will. Just one more example of how completely the "anything goes" mentality has its grip on the right; they purely and simply do not care if anything out of their mouths is civil, realistic or most of all TRUE! It's astonishing to me. I'd LOVE to see that fat old bastard canned! Even more, I'd LOVE to hear just ANYONE on the right decry his filth, in just this case. It would give me hope, but I"m not holding my breath.
Friday, March 2, 2012 7:33 AM
CAVETROLL
Friday, March 2, 2012 11:19 AM
Quote:A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner on Friday said the top Republican condemns a controversial comment made by conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh but also disagrees with those who launched fundraising efforts over the remark. "The speaker obviously believes the use of those words was inappropriate, as is trying to raise money off the situation," Michael Steel, Boehner's spokesman, told CNN. ..... Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum labeled Rush Limbaugh "absurd" over disparaging remarks from the radio talk show host directed at a law student who testified before a House panel in support of access to contraceptives. "He's being absurd, but that's you know, an entertainer can be absurd," Santorum told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Friday. "He's in a very different business than I am."
Quote:President Barack Obama called Sandra Fluke Friday to offer his support to the law student who has come under attack following her testimony to a House panel in support of access to contraceptives. "The president was expressing his support for her and his disappointment in the kind of attacks that have been leveled at her and to her and his appreciation for her willingness to stand tall and express her opinion," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said at the White House press briefing.
Quote:The conservative firebrand also responded to Obama's call with a kissing sound. "Obama just called Sandra Fluke to make sure that she was alright, aw," Limbaugh said Friday. "That is so compassionate. What a great guy. The president called her to make sure she's OK."
Quote:Also coming to her defense, Georgetown's president John J. DeGioia described Limbaugh's behavior as "misogynistic, vitriolic and a misrepresentation" of Fluke's position at the Congressional hearing. "She was respectful, sincere, and spoke with conviction," DeGioia said in a statement. "This expression of conscience was in the tradition of the deepest values we share as a people. One need not agree with her substantive position to support her right to respectful free expression." Georgetown is a Jesuit university that does not cover contraceptives in its health insurance plans.
Quote:Rae Chornenky, president of the National Federation of Republican Women, told CNN the controversy has become "a sideshow, turning attention from the main issue." Asked if she would repudiate the talk show host's remarks, Chornenky said: "I don't want to discuss that. We are working hard on keeping our Constitutional rights protected." Frances Rice, chairwoman of the National Black Republican Association, also declined to comment directly on Limbaugh when contacted by CNN. The chairwoman of the Republican National Hispanic Assembly, Alci Maldonado, argued the issue was about freedom of religion from government interference. "This is really not about contraception, a private matter," Maldonado said. "Liberals are confusing the issue." CNN also contacted the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, but did not receive a response.
Friday, March 2, 2012 12:26 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Friday, March 2, 2012 12:53 PM
Quote:Who would support this lunatic?
Friday, March 2, 2012 1:08 PM
Friday, March 2, 2012 1:53 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: OMG!!! This guy is outrageous. I cannot believe the comments he made. Who would support this lunatic?
Friday, March 2, 2012 2:01 PM
Quote:specifically on THIS matter, I fully support him AND his views.
Friday, March 2, 2012 2:06 PM
Quote:So why phony up this maelstrom of bogus " what if " scenarios
Friday, March 2, 2012 2:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Quote:specifically on THIS matter, I fully support him AND his views. Hello, His specific views are that the woman is a slut and should post pornographic videos of herself. Are you sure you support him and his views on this matter? --Anthony
Friday, March 2, 2012 2:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Quote:specifically on THIS matter, I fully support him AND his views. Hello, His specific views are that the woman is a slut and should post pornographic videos of herself. Are you sure you support him and his views on this matter? --Anthony As for the 'slut' part... I'm thinking back to what Inara said. " The term applies " " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Friday, March 2, 2012 2:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Hello, The term applies? I fear you are implying, as he was, that any woman who might desire birth control is a slut.
Quote: Which is as terrible a view towards women as I can imagine.
Quote: It reminds me of mention that condoms are freely available by conservative groups. Which further implies that if a man controls reproduction (by wearing a condom) it is acceptable. But if a woman controls reproduction, or shows a desire to do so, she is to be maligned. Not for the first time, Mr. Raptor, you have tested the bounds of my civility. --Anthony
Friday, March 2, 2012 2:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: OMG!!! This guy is outrageous. I cannot believe the comments he made. Who would support this lunatic? He's anything BUT a 'lunatic',and specifically on THIS matter, I fully support him AND his views. And speaking of proposed legislation, why don't we just sit back and follow Ms Pelosi's own advice? Just go ahead and PASS the bill, before we know what's in it ? Tough, heart tugging stories, but I still don't see why anyone else, besides the women who suffer from those 'conditions', needs to pay for them.
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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:48 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Friday, March 2, 2012 2:50 PM
Friday, March 2, 2012 2:54 PM
Quote:Yeah, I didn't insult anyone. You might want to see to that.
Friday, March 2, 2012 2:56 PM
OONJERAH
Friday, March 2, 2012 3:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Quote:Yeah, I didn't insult anyone. You might want to see to that. Hello, You agreed that women who want to control their reproduction are 'sluts.' I don't know how you see this as anything but an insult. --Anthony
Friday, March 2, 2012 3:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: OF COURSE Rappy agrees with Rush when Rush calls 98% of American women sluts and whores. Meanwhile, Rush's sponsors are in a rush to drop him. Domino's has dropped its advertising, and today Sleep Number announced they're yanking their ads off his show. Sure, he can say what he wants, but he won't long be paid to do it...
Friday, March 2, 2012 3:27 PM
Quote:How else does one refer to a youngish woman, unmarried, who claims to be having so much sex, she can't pay for the contraception ?
Friday, March 2, 2012 3:28 PM
Friday, March 2, 2012 3:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And for good sakes, people. Rush was KIDDING! It's called BEING ABSURD TO DEMONSTRATE ABSURDITY. Was it crass, rude and in poor taste ? Yeah, probably. I'll admit that. His POINT, as offensively made as it was, is simple. If you're going to expect others to PAY for you to have 'safe sex', then those paying the freight are due something in return. Don't agree with that ? FINE! Don't ask others to pay for what should be YOUR OWN DAMN RESPONSIBILITY!
Friday, March 2, 2012 3:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Your position seems to be that health insurance should cover everything EXCEPT women's health.
Friday, March 2, 2012 3:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Yeah, not caring if I disgust you or not. Why should women be subsidized for contraception ? Are they really 'paying for it', if they get a deal from their insurance company ?
Quote: Because if it's coming from the insurance company, then others who have plans are chipping in for what only some women are able to use.
Quote: ( KPO, hope you're taking notes on my LIBERTARIANISM )
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: How else does one refer to a youngish woman, unmarried, who claims to be having so much sex, she can't pay for the contraception ? It was a joke. Just like when Bill Mahr calls Sarah Palin a cunt. Oh, didn't know about that one, huh ? Where's the national outrage about that ? Has obama called sarah, to see how SHE'S holding up? Did he return Bill Mahr's 1 million dollars ? ( again, kidding, I know it wasn't a signed check TO Obama himself... geeze ) Where's the N.O.W., calling for Mahr to apologize ? Where's Martha Burke ? Is she organizing a picket line, in front of Mahr's tour sites ? Gee, it's just so FUCKING odd how so much noise is raised for one issue, but not a damn word gets said about another. Hmmm... " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Friday, March 2, 2012 3:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Did you think by pointing fingers elsewhere it would somehow soften yours or Rush's reprehensible statements? --Anthony
Quote:Now, tell me I'm 'sexist' for that, too.
Friday, March 2, 2012 3:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Quote:Yeah, I didn't insult anyone. You might want to see to that. Hello, You agreed that women who want to control their reproduction are 'sluts.' I don't know how you see this as anything but an insult. --Anthony How else does one refer to a youngish woman, unmarried, who claims to be having so much sex, she can't pay for the contraception ? It was a joke. Just like when Bill Mahr calls Sarah Palin a cunt. Oh, didn't know about that one, huh ? Where's the national outrage about that ? Has obama called sarah, to see how SHE'S holding up? Did he return Bill Mahr's 1 million dollars ? ( again, kidding, I know it wasn't a signed check TO Obama himself... geeze ) Where's the N.O.W., calling for Mahr to apologize ? Where's Martha Burke ? Is she organizing a picket line, in front of Mahr's tour sites ? Gee, it's just so FUCKING odd how so much noise is raised for one issue, but not a damn word gets said about another. Hmmm...
Friday, March 2, 2012 3:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I made no reprehensible statements.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: As for the 'slut' part... I'm thinking back to what Inara said. "The term applies "
Friday, March 2, 2012 3:56 PM
Friday, March 2, 2012 4:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: By the way, you're lying again.
Quote: N.O.W. *DID* rebuke Maher (correct spelling; it's exactly like Sean's last name!). So quite a few "damn words" got said about it.
Friday, March 2, 2012 4:10 PM
BYTEMITE
Friday, March 2, 2012 4:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: OF COURSE Rappy agrees with Rush when Rush calls 98% of American women sluts and whores. Meanwhile, Rush's sponsors are in a rush to drop him. Domino's has dropped its advertising, and today Sleep Number announced they're yanking their ads off his show. Sure, he can say what he wants, but he won't long be paid to do it... ETA: Sleep Train stores have pulled their ads as well, along with Quicken Loans, and ProFlowers is "reevaluating" their relationship with Limbaugh.
Friday, March 2, 2012 4:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Over a decade ago, I bought this man's book. It seemed, at the time, that he might have something interesting to say.
Friday, March 2, 2012 5:03 PM
Friday, March 2, 2012 5:40 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Friday, March 2, 2012 7:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Yeah, not caring if I disgust you or not. Why should women be subsidized for contraception ? Are they really 'paying for it', if they get a deal from their insurance company ? Because if it's coming from the insurance company, then others who have plans are chipping in for what only some women are able to use. Go have good sex. Have lots of it. But no one should be forced to pay for it other than you. How the hell is this not simple to understand ?
Friday, March 2, 2012 7:33 PM
Quote:we'd all be seeing David (Rush) versus Goliath (everyone else).
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Friday, March 2, 2012 8:27 PM
Quote: At least with Mitt Romney in office, maybe he can stabalize the economy
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