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1kiki doesn't know the difference between a CLAIM and a FACT

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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:46 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



" I slept with Jessica Alba. " - a claim, albeit absurd, is laughable and clearly false. The above could also be called a boast ( if true ) or a flat out lie, as it would be known to not be true, by me before hand, when I tried to pass it off as fact. I haven't, nor am I claiming to have slept w/ Ms Alba.( Yet). I post this for demonstration purposes only.


" 6 Hurt, 8 Killed in Violent Chicago Weekend ( Not recycling Memorial Day Weekend story )" - A fact. This was the headline of the thread which has sent 1kiki over the edge, and I fear for her mental stability. Assuming she hand any before hand.


I suspect she'll add THIS to her 'url' list on me as well.


As you were.

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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:12 AM

STORYMARK


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oh, the irony is almost too much to take.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by STORYMARK:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oh, the irony is almost too much to take.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"




No kidding.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:33 AM

MAL4PREZ


Kiki's got him on the run. See how desperately he tries to deflect the topic?

Keep it up kiki!

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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:40 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So, just so we're all clear here, Rappy...

Are you now CLAIMING that you never intended to link community organizing or President Obama to the violence in Chicago since he left there? Because that is a FACT: all the violent episodes you've cited occurred SINCE OBAMA LEFT CHICAGO AND STOPPED COMMUNITY ORGANIZING THERE.

You admit the FACT that there's no causal link between Obama's coming from Chicago and that city's recent violence. Do I have that right? Is that a FACT that you're CLAIMING that?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:20 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

1kiki doesn't know the difference between a CLAIM and a FACT

Quote? Your above statement is just a 'claim', and at the moment it's unsupported.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:27 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

" The fruits of community organizing " - a claim, albeit absurd, is laughable and clearly false. The above could also be called a boast ( if true ) or a flat out lie, as it would be known to not be true, by me before hand, when I tried to pass it off as fact.





Another illustration of a "claim" made by you, also absurd, laughable, and clearly false and unsupported by any facts.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So hey little Rappy, do you want to keep running away from the threads where you're HI-lariously wrong?

Carter raised taxes?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52174

how Chicago is SO VIOLENT and it's ALL the fault of democrats organizing communities?
The fruits of community organizing
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52073
46 Hurt, 8 Killed in Violent Chicago Weekend ( Not recycling Memorial Day Weekend story )
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52199

And how despite the FACT that you posted not one but TWO threads about Chicago violence where you even EXPLICITLY and REPEATEDLY claimed it was caused by democrats organizing communities, you said that you made NO CLAIMS WHAT SO EVER.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52235&mid=90079
7#900797


how it is that you mistake a MICHIGAN lawmaker for a member of Congress and THEN claim that Congress has been around 225 years!!?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52256&p=2
The Congress somehow manages to survive some 225 years w/ out the word 'vagina' uttered on the floor, or in the records, and NOW it's a terrible affront to women to ask for some measure of decency and decorum?

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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Chicago has always been violent.... at least since I've been alive....

Obama coming from here didn't hurt Chicago. It hurt the rest of the nation.

The fact that one of his most trusted is now running the city with a Governor like Quinn in office though is devastating...

Taxes in Illinois, particularly Crook County, keep going UP, UP, UP!!!!!! Yet the living conditions for all Illinoians continue to plummet.

All I can say is I don't blame Obama for getting out while the getting was good.

Illinois is the black hole of the USA.

"Dark Matter" help us if we can't contain it and keep it from making the entire country implode!

Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So, just so we're all clear here, Rappy...

Are you now CLAIMING that you never intended to link community organizing or President Obama to the violence in Chicago since he left there? Because that is a FACT: all the violent episodes you've cited occurred SINCE OBAMA LEFT CHICAGO AND STOPPED COMMUNITY ORGANIZING THERE.

You admit the FACT that there's no causal link between Obama's coming from Chicago and that city's recent violence. Do I have that right? Is that a FACT that you're CLAIMING that?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy




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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wow, the guy who invented rapfacts now CLAIMS to know something about facts?


INCONCEIVABLE!

----------------
6IX... Are you really sticking up for rappy?

If so, you should pick your friends better!

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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:59 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:


6IX... Are you really sticking up for rappy?

If so, you should pick your friends better!



No Signy....

Sorry for coming off that way if I did..

Just saying what I believe......

Just one of the perils of believing 70% in what everyone else believes in.





I grew up in Crook County, moved away, and when I was laid off wanted to find a place near family again. I moved across state and the taxes were 1/3 what they'd be there on property. I just recently had them reduced nearly 50% with a little effort.

If I had this house in Illinois, near my family in Chicago, my monthly "rent" through local taxes would be over 400 bucks a month... I've just reduced my local rent from less than 200 a month to just pennies over 100 a month....

Don't blame me.....

You voted an Illinois politician in the White House, and you watched him put one of his most trusted in the seat of the "Daily Empire" of Mayors in Chicago....

Evil begets evil.....


The Princess Bride is awesome, BTW......



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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So, just so we're all clear here, Rappy...

Are you now CLAIMING that you never intended to link community organizing or President Obama to the violence in Chicago since he left there? Because that is a FACT: all the violent episodes you've cited occurred SINCE OBAMA LEFT CHICAGO AND STOPPED COMMUNITY ORGANIZING THERE.

You admit the FACT that there's no causal link between Obama's coming from Chicago and that city's recent violence. Do I have that right? Is that a FACT that you're CLAIMING that?



Doesn't' matter if I tried to claim a link or not... the facts are that Obama community organized in a city that's pretty darn violent. Doesn't matter that other cities may be as or more violent, at all. Doesn't change the FACTS.

And as the violence spiked after he left, that only goes to show what poor seeds he planted, or that his actions were utterly fruitless.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So, just so we're all clear here, Rappy...

Are you now CLAIMING that you never intended to link community organizing or President Obama to the violence in Chicago since he left there? Because that is a FACT: all the violent episodes you've cited occurred SINCE OBAMA LEFT CHICAGO AND STOPPED COMMUNITY ORGANIZING THERE.

You admit the FACT that there's no causal link between Obama's coming from Chicago and that city's recent violence. Do I have that right? Is that a FACT that you're CLAIMING that?



Doesn't' matter if I tried to claim a link or not... the facts are that Obama community organized in a city that's pretty darn violent. Doesn't matter that other cities may be as or more violent, at all. Doesn't change the FACTS.

And as the violence spiked after he left, that only goes to show what poor seeds he planted, or that his actions were utterly fruitless.





Huh. Sounds like you're saying that if there's any spike in violence now that our troops are out of Iraq, it will prove that the war and occupation were utterly fruitless.

Is that the analogy you intended to make?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:56 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So, just so we're all clear here, Rappy...

Are you now CLAIMING that you never intended to link community organizing or President Obama to the violence in Chicago since he left there? Because that is a FACT: all the violent episodes you've cited occurred SINCE OBAMA LEFT CHICAGO AND STOPPED COMMUNITY ORGANIZING THERE.

You admit the FACT that there's no causal link between Obama's coming from Chicago and that city's recent violence. Do I have that right? Is that a FACT that you're CLAIMING that?



Doesn't' matter if I tried to claim a link or not... the facts are that Obama community organized in a city that's pretty darn violent. Doesn't matter that other cities may be as or more violent, at all. Doesn't change the FACTS.

And as the violence spiked after he left, that only goes to show what poor seeds he planted, or that his actions were utterly fruitless.





Huh. Sounds like you're saying that if there's any spike in violence now that our troops are out of Iraq, it will prove that the war and occupation were utterly fruitless.

Is that the analogy you intended to make?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy



No, he's saying more than that. He's saying that such a spike in violence would be the fault of the US, the result of seeds our military planted.

Note the conclusion he's NOT drawing about Chicago: Obama's community organizing damped the violence so that as soon as he left the violence broke free. I'm not saying this is the case. I'm saying that Rappy will certainly make this claim about the US leaving Iraq, but not Obama leaving Chicago.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So, just so we're all clear here, Rappy...

Are you now CLAIMING that you never intended to link community organizing or President Obama to the violence in Chicago since he left there? Because that is a FACT: all the violent episodes you've cited occurred SINCE OBAMA LEFT CHICAGO AND STOPPED COMMUNITY ORGANIZING THERE.

You admit the FACT that there's no causal link between Obama's coming from Chicago and that city's recent violence. Do I have that right? Is that a FACT that you're CLAIMING that?



Doesn't' matter if I tried to claim a link or not... the facts are that Obama community organized in a city that's pretty darn violent. Doesn't matter that other cities may be as or more violent, at all. Doesn't change the FACTS.

And as the violence spiked after he left, that only goes to show what poor seeds he planted, or that his actions were utterly fruitless.





Huh. Sounds like you're saying that if there's any spike in violence now that our troops are out of Iraq, it will prove that the war and occupation were utterly fruitless.

Is that the analogy you intended to make?



Said nothing what so ever about Iraq. The issue was Chicago and the violence there.

Wow.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:20 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


YOOOOO HOOOO ... little Rappy ... care to take these discussions over to the threads where you were so godawful wrong and debate them there? Or do you want to continue to run away from them?

Carter raised taxes?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52174

how Chicago is SO VIOLENT and it's ALL the fault of democrats organizing communities?
The fruits of community organizing
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52073
46 Hurt, 8 Killed in Violent Chicago Weekend ( Not recycling Memorial Day Weekend story )
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52199

And how despite the FACT that you posted not one but TWO threads about Chicago violence where you even EXPLICITLY and REPEATEDLY claimed it was caused by democrats organizing communities, you said that you made NO CLAIMS WHAT SO EVER.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52235&mid=90079
7#900797


how it is that you mistake a MICHIGAN lawmaker for a member of Congress and THEN claim that Congress has been around 225 years!!?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52256&p=2
The Congress somehow manages to survive some 225 years w/ out the word 'vagina' uttered on the floor, or in the records, and NOW it's a terrible affront to women to ask for some measure of decency and decorum?

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:27 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So, just so we're all clear here, Rappy...

Are you now CLAIMING that you never intended to link community organizing or President Obama to the violence in Chicago since he left there? Because that is a FACT: all the violent episodes you've cited occurred SINCE OBAMA LEFT CHICAGO AND STOPPED COMMUNITY ORGANIZING THERE.

You admit the FACT that there's no causal link between Obama's coming from Chicago and that city's recent violence. Do I have that right? Is that a FACT that you're CLAIMING that?



Doesn't' matter if I tried to claim a link or not... the facts are that Obama community organized in a city that's pretty darn violent. Doesn't matter that other cities may be as or more violent, at all. Doesn't change the FACTS.

And as the violence spiked after he left, that only goes to show what poor seeds he planted, or that his actions were utterly fruitless.





Huh. Sounds like you're saying that if there's any spike in violence now that our troops are out of Iraq, it will prove that the war and occupation were utterly fruitless.

Is that the analogy you intended to make?



Said nothing what so ever about Iraq. The issue was Chicago and the violence there.

Wow.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall



Poor, poor boy can't even grasp an analogy, or an example of a parallel point. Pitty the addled fool.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:05 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Doesn't' matter if I tried to claim a link or not...

You did. And you're still doing!

Quote:

Doesn't matter that other cities may be as or more violent, at all. Doesn't change the FACTS.

Notice that people AREN'T challenging the facts, they're challenging the conclusions you're drawing from those facts - namely that the violence is the fruit of community organising. And the way kiki did that was by posting more FACTS, that gave a fuller, truer picture, and put things in perspective. You, and your claims never recovered.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:28 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Poor, poor boy can't even grasp an analogy, or an example of a parallel point. Pitty the addled fool.


Explains a lot about him, doesn't it?

Also telling is his inability to separate facts from conclusions, which makes it especially ironic that he started this thread. As usual, it's so bad that I have to conclude that he's doing this on purpose. What a very strange trolling technique.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I would say it's a very EFFECTIVE trolling technique...he got you all wrapped up in arguing with and discussing HIM for a few posts, didn't it? Worked for him.


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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:33 AM

MAL4PREZ


I figure it's his thread he started to attack someone else, so may as well cut loose on him for a bit. :)

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:43 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So, just so we're all clear here, Rappy...

Are you now CLAIMING that you never intended to link community organizing or President Obama to the violence in Chicago since he left there? Because that is a FACT: all the violent episodes you've cited occurred SINCE OBAMA LEFT CHICAGO AND STOPPED COMMUNITY ORGANIZING THERE.

You admit the FACT that there's no causal link between Obama's coming from Chicago and that city's recent violence. Do I have that right? Is that a FACT that you're CLAIMING that?



Doesn't' matter if I tried to claim a link or not... the facts are that Obama community organized in a city that's pretty darn violent. Doesn't matter that other cities may be as or more violent, at all. Doesn't change the FACTS.

And as the violence spiked after he left, that only goes to show what poor seeds he planted, or that his actions were utterly fruitless.





Huh. Sounds like you're saying that if there's any spike in violence now that our troops are out of Iraq, it will prove that the war and occupation were utterly fruitless.

Is that the analogy you intended to make?



Said nothing what so ever about Iraq. The issue was Chicago and the violence there.

Wow.





Wow, indeed. You've just clearly shown once again how unable you are to apply logic or think in more than two dimensions.


Every time I open a door for you, you somehow still manage to walk right into it.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:

Notice that people AREN'T challenging the facts, they're challenging the conclusions you're drawing from those facts - namely that the violence is the fruit of community organising. And the way kiki did that was by posting more FACTS, that gave a fuller, truer picture, and put things in perspective. You, and your claims never recovered.




And that's a fact!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
I figure it's his thread he started to attack someone else, so may as well cut loose on him for a bit. :)



Not attacking anyone, but merely pointing out a FACT, that 1kiki has some serious comprehension issues.

As it seems you do as well. Thinking THIS was an attack thread ? Really?

Too gorram funny.




" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So hey there little Rappy ... care to take these discussions over to the threads where you were so godawful wrong and debate them there?

OR DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO RUN AWAY FROM THEM?

BTW, this technique of talking fast about everything BUT those topics ... very 3 year old of you. And it doesn't add to your credibility. The opposite is true. The more you do this, the worse you look.



Carter raised taxes?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52174

how Chicago is SO VIOLENT and it's ALL the fault of democrats organizing communities?
The fruits of community organizing
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52073
46 Hurt, 8 Killed in Violent Chicago Weekend ( Not recycling Memorial Day Weekend story )
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52199

And how despite the FACT that you posted not one but TWO threads about Chicago violence where you even EXPLICITLY and REPEATEDLY claimed it was caused by democrats organizing communities, you said that you made NO CLAIMS WHAT SO EVER.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52235&mid=90079
7#900797


how it is that you mistake a MICHIGAN lawmaker for a member of Congress and THEN claim that Congress has been around 225 years!!?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52256&p=2
The Congress somehow manages to survive some 225 years w/ out the word 'vagina' uttered on the floor, or in the records, and NOW it's a terrible affront to women to ask for some measure of decency and decorum?

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Not attacking anyone, but merely pointing out a FACT, that 1kiki has some serious comprehension issues.
RAPPY IS AN ASSHOLE! Must be true, because every time his orifice opens, shit comes out. Now, that's not an attack, or even a claim, that's just a fact.


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Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:47 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Not attacking anyone, but merely pointing out a FACT, that 1kiki has some serious comprehension issues.
RAPPY IS AN ASSHOLE! Must be true, because every time his orifice opens, shit comes out. Now, that's not an attack, or even a claim, that's just a fact.





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