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A Response to Barbarity

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Thursday, July 12, 2012 18:03
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Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:05 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/11/opinion/salbi-afghanistan-women/index.ht
ml?hpt=hp_bn7

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You see, women are like the canary in the coal mine: What happens to them is an indicator of a larger political direction for the society.



Hello,

This story exemplifies why the Western world is so regularly tempted to recoil in disgust from Muslim societies. They so often seem to enjoy treating members of their populations as second-class citizens. This sort of thing sticks in the imagination and defines an entire culture. I find the statement in the article a poignant one. Women, a canary in the coal mine. An indicator of the political direction for a society. It is interesting to think about this- that the way we treat women says much about us. That it may be a litmus test for the health and equity of society at large.

Why should this be? I think it is because history has granted us a world ruled by men. Men who often release their power only begrudgingly and reclaim it eagerly. I sometimes wonder if there is a country ruled by women where men are oppressed, but I haven't heard of one outside of mythology. If such a society were to exist, I suppose it would be the treatment of men that indicated the health and equity of the nation.

But we live outside mythology, and in our own worlds and nations. In my nation, there is a creeping, insidious trend to seize back the freedoms of women. If they are our canaries, what does their ailing condition say about the progress and direction of our society? If the creeping erosion of women's rights continues, can we imagine a nation of the future where we commit gross travesties of justice in public and celebrate them as symbols of our power? Are we already doing this in some form?

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What's going to be the message back to them from the Afghan government and the international community? Will it be to demonstrate that women's rights and protections are valued in actions, in addition to the political statements already made condemning the execution?



Here, the article calls for action. Real action against this injustice. Here, the article wants the good nations of the world to flex their might and make a statement beyond words in opposition to such barbarity.

I agree.

And the statement we should collectively make... is to empower all of our citizens. Celebrate our rights and freedoms. Make sure none of our own are bereft of them. Be an example of a just society.

I worry, though, that this task will prove too intimidating or difficult, and so we will just bomb someone instead.

--Anthony

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Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





And here at home, South Carolina governor Nikki Haley says rape and domestic violence are merely "distractions"...

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South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley (R) doesn’t believe that rape and domestic abuse are matters of public health, which is why she vetoed nearly half a million dollars slated to go toward domestic violence and sexual assault prevention programs.

Haley defended the veto by claiming these kinds of prevention programs “distract from” the Department of Health’s mission to tend to matters of public health. Furthermore, Haley argued, rape victims represent only a “small portion” of South Carolinians who need assistance. “Each of these lines attempts to serve a portion of our population for which we extend our sympathy and encouragement, but nevertheless, it is only a small portion of South Carolina’s chronically ill or abused. Overall, these special add-on lines distract from the agency’s broader mission of protecting South Carolina’s public health.”

As ThinkProgress reports, Haley may want to re-think her reasoning. South Carolina ranks seventh in the country for the number of women killed by men, and has had a rate of sexual violence higher than the national average since 1982. If anything the state should be increasing resources to help get the epidemic of violence against women under control.

Haley’s veto would be shocking if it wasn’t to be expected by Republican governors. Rape and domestic violence prevention programs are hardly “distractions” to an agency designed to address matters of public health, unless of course you don’t believe that rape and domestic violence are matters of public concern. It’s patently obvious that is exactly what Republicans think.





Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/south-carolina-gov-vetoes-sexual-assault-a
nd-domestic-violence-funds.html#ixzz20Mq7bmXB



The air in that coal mine is toxic; she just hasn't realized how poisoned she is.






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Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:01 PM

CANTTAKESKY


I think Frem would say KIDS are the real canaries in the coalmine.

It is about how we treat our weakest and most vulnerable citizens: kids, elderly, disabled, prisoners, and yes, women too. But women, really, are the least vulnerable of all of these. They have enough of a voice to put up a decent political fight. The others? Not so much.



-----
So many gods, so many creeds,
So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind
is all the sad world needs.
- Ella Wheeler Wilcox, poet (1850-1919)

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Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:44 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

An apt observation, Sky.

--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:34 PM

OONJERAH


A well-known principle, clearly not new.

"The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members." ~Anon

Our society must make it right and possible for old people not to fear
the young or be deserted by them, for the test of a civilization is
the way that it cares for its helpless members.~Pearl S. Buck
(1892-1973), My Several Worlds [1954].

The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children.
~Dietrich Bonhoeffer

A decent provision for the poor is the true test of civilization.
~Samuel Johnson, Boswell: Life of Johnson

The most certain test by which we judge whether a country is really free
is the amount of security enjoyed by minorities.~John E. E. Dalberg,
Lord Acton, The History of Freedom in Antiquity, [1877].

"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who
are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of
life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the
needy and the handicapped. " ~ Last Speech of Hubert H. Humphrey


"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members."
~ Mahatma Ghandi

"Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its
weakest members -- the last, the least, the littlest."
~Cardinal Roger Mahony, In a 1998 letter, Creating a Culture of Life

The greatness of America is in how it treats its weakest members: the
elderly, the infirm, the handicapped, the underprivileged, the unborn.
~Bill Federer

"A society will be judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members
and among the most vulnerable are surely the unborn and the dying,"
~Pope John Paul II

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Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:26 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


See also


"You can tell a lot about a man by how he treats his dog."

and

"You can tell a lot about a person by how they treat the waiter."



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:38 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by canttakesky:
I think Frem would say KIDS are the real canaries in the coalmine.

It is about how we treat our weakest and most vulnerable citizens: kids, elderly, disabled, prisoners, and yes, women too. But women, really, are the least vulnerable of all of these. They have enough of a voice to put up a decent political fight. The others? Not so much.


Bingo.

Of course, any time you have a stratified, heirarchal society with classes/ranks/castes - spoken or unspoken, you get this, and it's not necessarily the same target, times change.
No Irish Need Apply ?
Chinese Railroad Workers ?
Japanese-American Internment Camps ?
(mind you, based off lists they claimed not to have and promised never to use, REMEMBER that.)
And of course the Civil Rights and Segregation issues of the sixties...

There's always SOME "acceptable target" under the hammer, and it strikes me as pretty fuckin obvious just how much of the abuse and malice comes from both religion and the wing of politics that hides behind it.
Always, always trying to shove people back in the box that means they don't hafta treat em as human, and right now they're sore pissed about the whole women thing, just like the american taliban which is what they really are.
Don't think for one goddamn instant they would not do those things themselves if they could!

Problem with kids is that they never did make it out of the box, you see - so it's a baseline for how they plan to treat any faction they manage to stuff back in there.

Comining hot on the heels of a full assault on education, empathy and even medicine, it's not hard to see that these devolutionists want a return to the bad old days of feudalism.

And don't ya know, remember what I say about the worst, most inhumane thing you can DO to a person is, right ?
They WANT the bad old days of feudalism, welllll, there was this guy, his name was Robespierre, and he had some ideas of his own about feudalism...


That said, I been trying to get RAWA to crank out propaganda vids for their "oppressed american sisters" but this ain't goin too well for a lotta reasons right now - still, a couple of those wilded to the internet would be utterly humilating to the thugs behind this shit, exposing them for their abject hypocrisy when it comes to human rights.

-Frem

PS. It's been noted to me that I tend to treat those weaker (via injury, youth, lack of ability or resources) in a protectively paternal fashion, but act viciously predatory to those stronger...
Not sure I buy her assessment, but I gotta think about that one.

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Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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I like to quote fictional characters.
They get some of the best lines.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

"The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members." ~Anon

Our society must make it right and possible for old people not to fear
the young or be deserted by them, for the test of a civilization is
the way that it cares for its helpless members.~Pearl S. Buck
(1892-1973), My Several Worlds [1954].

The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children.
~Dietrich Bonhoeffer

A decent provision for the poor is the true test of civilization.
~Samuel Johnson, Boswell: Life of Johnson

The most certain test by which we judge whether a country is really free
is the amount of security enjoyed by minorities.~John E. E. Dalberg,
Lord Acton, The History of Freedom in Antiquity, [1877].

"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who
are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of
life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the
needy and the handicapped. " ~ Last Speech of Hubert H. Humphrey


"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members."
~ Mahatma Ghandi

"Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its
weakest members -- the last, the least, the littlest."
~Cardinal Roger Mahony, In a 1998 letter, Creating a Culture of Life

The greatness of America is in how it treats its weakest members: the
elderly, the infirm, the handicapped, the underprivileged, the unborn.
~Bill Federer

"A society will be judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members
and among the most vulnerable are surely the unborn and the dying,"
~Pope John Paul II



But here you quote real people with topical quotes. If little rappy tried for wisdom with his quotes he's going to need to up his game and try for something like this.

Quoting 'Bones' on fantasy to bolster his self-importance on global warming - not so much.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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