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Who pays for the uninsured?

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Monday, July 30, 2012 9:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


This is one of the reasons for universal health care, which we've offered many times but which seems to make absolutely zero impact with health-care opponents. Taking Texas as just one example:
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Texas Governor Rick Perry says he won't expand Medicaid eligibility under the health reform law because he wants to spare taxpayers billions of dollars.

But many Texas taxpayers are already shouldering the burden of the state's uninsured through higher property taxes and heftier health insurance premiums.

Travis County residents, for instance, are paying for Jeff Kehoe to see the doctor for his high blood pressure and asthma.

Kehoe, a part-time event coordinator who hasn't had insurance since 2006, goes to People's Community Clinic for his primary care. When he can afford it, the Austin resident pays up to $30 for an office visit.

The rest is picked up by taxpayers and donors.

The Travis County Healthcare District pays the clinic $133 for each visit by a patient whose income is below 200% of the poverty line. And the district gets its funding from property owners, who last year forked over $79 for every $100,000 of home value. The rate has been on the rise for the past four years.

Kehoe, 53, would most likely qualify for the expanded Medicaid program under the Affordable Care Act, which would broaden the health insurance safety net to adults with household incomes up to 133% of the poverty line.

Getting off government assistance

A U.S. Supreme Court ruling essentially left it up to the states to decide whether to implement the Medicaid expansion. At least 10 governors, including Perry, quickly announced that they would not or did not plan to participate. Many cited the cost of covering more uninsured residents.

"I will not be party to socializing healthcare and bankrupting my state in direct contradiction to our Constitution and our founding principles of limited government," Perry said in a statement rejecting the expansion.

Under the Affordable Care Act, the federal government will pay the full cost of the Medicaid expansion for three years. After that, the funding will phase down to 90%.

That will hit Texas, which has the highest share of uninsured in the nation. The expansion in Medicaid is expected to cost about $1.3 billion through fiscal 2017, according to the state Health and Human Services Commission.

While Perry's decision will spare the state the additional cost, the burden of covering the uninsured will still be borne in part by residents. Most of Texas' larger urban areas have public health districts like the one in Travis County that help pay for the uninsured.

The uninsured have their care paid for in other ways too. Even without the expansion, hospitals still receive federal Medicaid money to cover the uninsured who come through their doors.

Also, some doctors' groups provide care at various Texas clinics without charge through programs such as Project Access Dallas.

And insurers may raise their premiums to cover costs incurred by the uninsured.

Nearly a third of working-age Texans, or 4.8 million people, currently lack insurance, according to Stacey Pogue, senior policy analyst for the Center for Public Policy Priorities, which advocates for low-income Texans. Medicaid expansion could provide coverage for up to 2 million of this group.

"We are paying for the cost of care for uninsured folks now," she said. "Expanding Medicaid just shifts the cost from local taxpayers and people with health insurance in part to the state budget and federal government."

Even though some uninsured have found ways to have their basic care covered, some are hoping Perry changes his mind and expands Medicaid coverage to all adults.

Gerard McMahan hasn't had insurance since he had to drop his private coverage plan in 2005 because he couldn't afford the $500 monthly fee. Plagued by congestive heart failure and attached to an oxygen tank, McMahan sees Project Access Dallas doctors who donate their time at a clinic in his hometown of Garland.

But the former painter still relies on his church to help cover his medications -- he takes 25 pills a day. McMahan still has to dodge collection calls from doctors. And he still has to wait six months to see his cardiologist.

"If I had insurance, a lot would change," said McMahan, 53. "I'd get the proper help that I need." http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/30/news/economy/medicaid-texas-health-car
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Take this example and think of all those like him. If the church wasn't able to help, and doctors didn't donate their time, the dime would be fully on us as taxpayers, as it is for ALL the uninsured who use the E.R. as their only form of heath care. The expense of the E.R. is far more than regular doctor health care, and we're picking up THAT dime, as well. Why people want to spend MORE money to not have health care available to these people defeats me!

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Seems to me Niki that we're all going to be paying for it one way or the other.

There's no way around it, really. No such thing as a free lunch.

In the last 12 years, I only had health insurance for less than 5 of them. I was young, and I NEVER used it, except to get a few bucks off of my contact lenses.

Prior to to having the insurance, I finally broke down and put over 2.2k on my credit card to have an ultrasound done on my sac because of a "lump" I was sure was testicular cancer. I waited over a month before going, and a week later it disappeared. My doctor said it was likely just a cyst. (A very expensive one at that).

4 months after I didn't have insurance, I nearly stepped on one of my grandma's cats while coming down a dark stairway and I reflexively jumped over her and down 3 stairs barefoot. I landed wrong and heard a thunderclap and nearly passed out from the pain. To this day, I have no clue if I broke anything down there. It never bruised up, but at one point my right ankle was more than double the size of my left and I couldn't walk without crutches for over 2 months. It took 6 months for the pain to go away, and even to this day, although I can walk normally again, my right ankle is 1.5 times the size as my left ankle.



I see the merits of affordable healthcare, for sure, especially since I live basically paycheck to paycheck at this point without any healthcare. I just don't trust the government because A) they've already proven with my Uncle's cancer that they can't do the job right and B) let's be honest, any money given to the Federal Government for ANY reason is likely to be raided to pay some totally unrelated thing off.

I'm quite certain that if my brother had his brain hemorrhage 22 years ago and we were on Government Healthcare that he wouldn't have lived to see his 7th birthday.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sheet, we could exchange "wounds" all day. My worst thus far was incurred by tripping over a garbage bag in the dark on the cement path and hitting my wrist dead on the step outside Choey's door...and I did scream. A LOT! She took me to the ER, they xrayed, said it wasn't as bad as they thought, put me in light cast and sent me home. Said to see ortho as soon as possible. Luckily my doc sent me to a specialist in S.F., because it turned out to be a reeely bad break...like surgery with a leeetle metal claw inserted. Horrible experience, and then two months later they found the torn tendon...more surgery (luckily the break was healed enough that they could take out the claw, which they'd intended to leave in permanently and which HURT. Physical therapy, yada yada, and it will never be right. It kinda jigs to the left right at the wrist, hurts sometimes, loss of about half of range of motion, and naturally it's my right wrist!

On the good side, it "cured" my carpal tunnel so I could ride my motorcycle again.

That was the worst, but my bod has been falling apart steadily with no help from me for 3-1/2 years now--I will always be able to count exactly when it happened because Tashi (who I'd hoped to hike with like I had wiht all my other dogs, then the DDD set in!) arrives while I still had my cast on. Since then...too numerous to list. Except for the achilles tendonitis, which I will never forget for two reasons. It was the end of my hiking ('cuz the DDD came along shortly afterward) and I wore a huge "boot" when I went to the Gulf. The people here took up a collection, if you didn't know, and sent me to the Gulf after the oil spill to help plant marsh grasses for two weeks. That I will never forget, both because of what they did and how much I enjoyed it!


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Wednesday, August 1, 2012 3:10 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Damn Niki,

You never should have gotten old. I'm beating myself up about doing the same thing nearly every day....

Sounds like you had insurance though, so that was a good thing. That trip sounds pretty cool too. You must be surrounded by a good group of people.




I'm actually (in the back of my mind) really kind of worried about not having any form of insurance now. Before I bought the house, I had quite a bit in retirement accounts, but a majority of that went into this house. As long as I stay healthy and don't break anything, it's really nice not having a mortgage, but unlike my retirement accounts they can take my house away from me to pay medical bills.

Fortunately, the only recurring thing I seem to suffer from is Strep Throat. In the last 6 years, I've gotten it every other year. The first time I got it I thought I could just heal on my own and didn't seek help. That is, until I spent 2 days in agony and the left tonsil swole up to the size of a giant jawbreaker (I'll leave the disgusting details out). I couldn't even swallow a gulp of water without it feeling like I was swallowing a cup of fish hooks. I was rotating ice packs and had a 101.8 degree fever. I begged my brother to take me to the clinic (no doctors on staff, but nurse practitioners). Turns out it was only 25 bucks for the visit and another 30 for the penicillin.

They gave me the number and address for a doctor who would drain the growth for around 400 bucks, but I just decided to live with the pain a few more days instead.

To this day, if I put a flash light in my mouth at a mirror I can see how my left tonsil looks like the sagging skin of somebody who lost 200 pounds and didn't get the excess skin removed. Worse yet, it all but killed my Karaoke voice. I can still do a mean tom petty, but Edwin McCain's "I'll Be"'s high notes are out of the question.....

I know that anyone in the medical profession HATES when somebody self-diagnoses before coming to see them, but the last two times I had it I practically ran to the clinic and told them to go ahead and do their tests but that I had strep throat and I needed penicillin. Both times they asked me how I would know that when they couldn't tell by looking at it and I tell them the story that I just told you. They laugh after the culture turns positive and send me on my way with my cheap prescription.



The only other thing I do is to make sure I'm not doing any work on my house that would require me on a ladder more than 8 feet high. Not worth the risk to do something myself that I can pay somebody with insurance to do.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Wednesday, August 1, 2012 6:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, the getting old shit sucks. I always joke that, when you're young, you go to a doctor and say something's wrong, they do something and it's fixed. When you get older, far too often you go to the doctor and they say "live with it"...like arthritis. Sure, they give you pain killers, but the idea is it's not going to get "fixed". Nobody tells us about that when we're young!

And of course when I said that to our neighbor, he reminded me of the old joke; going to the doctor and saying "it hurts when I do this" and the doctor saying "well, don't do that".

We have good insurance because my husband is still working at 74; he wants to quit, but that's the main reason he hangs on and still works three days a week (the least he can work without losing the insurance), which means commuting to the City, and on his days off he's exhausted, and by Friday his back is pretty awful and is getting steadily worse.

As to "You must be surrounded by a good group of people", you didn't read carefully. It's THIS GROUP, the people on FFF's RWED, who took up the collection to pay my air fare. And yeah, they are a damned good group of people! I can't remember who the other person was, but I know one of the two people who got it going was Anthony, for which I have always been grateful. Numerous people chipped in $10 or $25 or MORE and someone hunted around to find the cheapest air fare. It happened because I was so devastated by the gulf spill and kept yapping about it, and many here knew I've done rehab work, cleaned oil-spill-soaked birds, cleaned up our beaches when we had spills and done other things along that line. So someone suggested it and they made it possible for me to spend two weeks scrunching around on my butt in 6-10-inch water (because the tendonitis didn't make it possible for me to stand and walk as others were doing) shoving baby grasses into the mud. I absolutely adored it, tho' I had to come home two days early because of the tendonitis anyway. I cried a lot about that, because it meant I couldn't be there at the end and say goodbye to the friends I'd made there.

I've seen little of America aside from the West, and loved the chance to see New Orleans on our one day off, as well as being able to swap one day for cleaning up the Lancombe state park, which was a regular thing for residents and visitors; we spent the morning cleaning up the park and cutting back weeds, etc., and in the afternoon they took us through the swamp in boats. I spent my birthday (the first day I couldn't work) taking a swamp tour, too, which was amazing and I'll never forget. I posted every day from there on the laptop Choey loaned me so people could "share" a bit, and posted photos and videos of what we were doing. Oh, and I got to ride out to the site every day through the wetlands on one of those air boats, which was reeeely cool. We worked hard, and they took us around one afternoon to show how previous efforts had filled in TONS of the grasslands, which are kind of the "nursery" for a LOT of things which are beneficial to the area.

Oh, and the last day I was there, before I accepted that I couldn't continue, I drove down to the coast to sneak pictures of the cleanup on the beach, which they tried to keep me from doing but I was able to sneak through the dunes and do anyway. Frem was part of encouraging me to do that, and it's where I got my old signature, "Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”". The first was a snark at PN, who's always said I'm some kind of government agent, the second was a take on the name of a group Frem works with, and Nike is the name of a character in a book Frem turned me on to, which my husband and I read, fell in love with author, and ended up reading most of the other books written by the same author. (By the way, Frem, Jim is the kind of person who goes back after a long time and re-reads books he liked, and his next venture is to re-read all of those.)

So yes, it definitely was a great group of people, and I will always be grateful for the experience.


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