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First, Obama bucks, and now this...

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Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



We absolutely can't allow this country to slide into the abyss.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:06 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hee, hee, hee; yeah, we got nutcases too...

Oh, wait, you took it seriously?!?

Sigh...okay, are you capable of reading? Try this:
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Since the day Barack Obama was inaugurated, the term “The Obama Phone” has persisted. People say Obama is redistributing the wealth by starting a program that gives free cell phones – Obama phones – to the poor. Detractors of both President Obama and of the government’s long-standing phone assistance program have fought over this claim since 2009 with each side mudslinging “facts” at each other.

FreeGovernmentCellPhones.net is going to clear this subject up once and for all with the most detailed account of the facts that you will find anywhere. When you next have a discussion on this topic, just give those on the other side the link to this page.

Is the government giving out free cell phones?

Yes. This part is true. They fund low end cell phones plans, and offset some of the cost of landline phones. The programs that authorize the phone distribution program are called Lifeline Assistance and Lifeline Link-Up. Lifeline Assistance helps pay monthly phone bills and Lifeline Link-Up helps pay the initial outlay for the phone and installation. The two programs are often lumped together and simply called Lifeline.

These Lifeline cell phones are delivered through relatively new, government-approved cell phone companies like Safelink Wireless, Assurance Wireless and Reachout Wireless, among others. These companies were spun of off larger prepaid cell phone companies to specialize in the Lifeline program.

Did Obama start the free phones program?

The cell phone distribution program did begin in 2008, the year Obama was elected president, but that is a coincidence. Let’s look more closely at the facts.

Notice that earlier we said Link-Up helps fund “installation.” What installation does a cell phone have? None. So why is installation part of Link-Up, which is under the Lifeline program umbrella? Because, the whole thing began back in 1996 when the Federal Communications Commission authorized the programs for landline phones. At that time it provided discounts on landline phones only, for obvious reasons.

To this day the government provides discounts on landline phones for financially disadvantaged people in the United States and U.S. territories. The Link-Up portion helps with the installation and the Lifeline Assistance part helps with the monthly bills, to the tune of roughly ten dollars a month.

So, the subsidization of phones began under President Clinton, and has continued under Presidents Bush and Obama.

Over that time, the usage of cell phones rose and the costs came down. Assuming one believes in the Lifeline program in the first place, and remembering that the FCC has mandated the program, it only makes sense to expand the phone assistance program to include cell phones. So, in 2008 the first application of this program for mobile phones began when a company called Tracfone started their Safelink Wireless service in Tennessee.

Aha, some say, that’s the same year Obama was elected! Well, that’s true. But the service in Tennessee was launched three months prior to Obama being elected. And that means the discussion and approval of the extension of the program occurred under President Bush’s watch.

The Bush Phone, anyone?

How did the Obama Phone rumors start?

Just how did this “Obama Phone” rumor get started anyway? Back around early 2009, emails began circulating that called the free cell phone program the Obama Phone. And you know what happens when emails start getting passed around — few people verify them, and just simply forward them to everyone in their contact list. And the people who forward them believe that Barack Obama has socialist tendencies, so there was a willing audience. Here is just one sample email:]quote]FW: Obamaphone… no joke!!

I had a former employee call me earlier today inquiring about a job, and at the end of the conversation he gave me his phone number. I asked the former employee if this was a new cell phone number and he told me yes this was his “Obama phone.” I asked him what an “Obama phone” was and he went on to say that welfare recipients are now eligible to receive (1) a FREE new phone and (2) approx 70 minutes of FREE minutes every month. I was a little skeptical so I Googled it and low and behold he was telling the truth. TAX PAYER MONEY IS BEING REDISTRIBUTED TO WELFARE RECIPIENTS FOR FREE CELL PHONES. This program was started earlier this year. Enough is enough, the ship is sinking and it’s sinking fast. The very foundations that this country was built on are being shaken. The age old concepts of God, family, and hard work have flown out the window and are being replaced with “Hope and Change” and “Change we can believe in.”


Variations of these emails persist to this day. Like President Obama or not, they are simply false.

Who qualifies?

The free cell phones only go to those who qualify for the program under the exact same eligibility requirements that have been in effect since 1996. An applicant is generally eligible if they are at or below 135-150% of the Federal Poverty Guidelines (depending upon the state in which they live), or if they already participate in one of many public assistance programs such as Medicaid, food stamps, energy assistance, public housing and others.

Nothing about the Lifeline eligibility has changed since President Clinton’s days. Nothing has changed since President Bush’s days.

Who pays for the phones?

There’s another running argument about if the phones are or are not paid for by taxpayers. Yes and no, it depends how you look at it.

The money actually comes from a small fee added to most people’s monthly phone bills, called the Universal Service Fund fee. For a complete discussion of this, please read, “Do Taxpayers Pay for Government Cell Phones for the Poor?”

And it’s important to note that it does not cost any more to provide cell phones to people than it does landline. The government subsidizes both equally. In fact, landlines are often more expensive because the Link-Up portion is not always required for cell phones, depending upon the state. http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/faq/obama-phone



Can you say "urban legend"? Even if you just read the underlined parts (you can do that, can't you?), you'll learn something new.

Damn that Bush, subsidizing cell phones for the poor!!


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Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Hee, hee, hee; yeah, we got nutcases too...

Oh, wait, you took it seriously?!?




That Obama supporter WAS being serious. That's what is so scary. Even you seem to think this was some sort of SNL skit.

It wasn't.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:19 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Try reading above. My laughter was that you JUST discovered this, don't know shit about it, and immediately believed it must be some kind of socialist conspiracy by Obama. I actually shouldn't have laughed, I should have been sad at your ignorance. But then...

Okay, back to my original statement: Yeah, we've got nutcases on OUR side too.

It's just sad that you're happy to stay as ignorant as she is.

Now, if you read any of it and understood any of it, you'll have to blame Clinton and Bush TOO. Does two out of three mean it's all a liberal conspiracy? Or does the fact that it started under Clinto make it evil? Come on, ruminate, there must be SOME way to exonerate Bush and blame it all on Obama...


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Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:46 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


That Obama supporter WAS being serious.



Well, as serious as Rick Santorum, at least...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

Quote:

The Obama Phone?
Posted on October 29, 2009 , Updated on Nov. 5, 2009

Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?

A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it.




Good old Rappy - never one to let facts get in the way of his feigned indignation!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:49 PM

STORYMARK


LOL.

I can't even really add anything more, other than to laugh at the idiot. He's gonna be sooooo mcuh fun once Obama is re-elected.




Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:10 PM

HERO


I note for th record that the program has been around in some form since 1984. In 2008 it cost approx $772mil. By 2011 that had more then doubled to over $1.6billion. An audit showed hundreds of thousands of fraudulent beneficiaries.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I must really keep up with the right-wing-nuts more. I didn't understand the title. Obama bucks? Like a horse?

So after reading a bit I figured it wasn't a verb, but a noun. Like Obama MONEY.

So I googled and found a youtube posting. I saw a total of 5 different people. What I DIDN'T find out if it was 5 out of 5. or 10? 100? 1000? It didn't say. And it didn't say whether or not parts were edited out.

Now, having seen the Bill Maher 'cracker' original, the one important thing they noted was that they didn't select their interviewees in any way. They also didn't edit out any parts. WYSIWYG. So the 'Obama bucks' posting was deficient as an equivalent companion piece. VERY deficient.

Well, OK. What did this exercise of curiosity get me? I've learned a complete piece of nonsense that passes for thought with intellectuals (I'm being ironic again) like little rappy, 'Hero', the ZIT, et al. In a few short days it'll be in most people's trashbin of useless trivia. That's excepting people like little rappy et al, who will cling to and gloat over their rotting tidbit as if it was treasure.

On second thought, naw, it's a waste of time keeping up with the right-wing-nuts.

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Friday, September 28, 2012 12:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


1kiki - funny, you ignore that which shows you things you don't want to believe, or feel the need to dismiss, because it runs counter to the world in which you want to be true.

Yes, Obama bucks.



Complain that it wasn't edited. Complain that it WAS edited. The message truly is WYSIWYG.

But go back to sleep, 1kiki. It's all just a dream.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, September 28, 2012 10:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


First giggle of the day, but I don't know who to give it to. Raptor completely disappeared after he found out what a fool he'd been, then pops back with something completely off topic. I guess that's one way to deal with making a fool of oneself.
Quote:

I note for th record that the program has been around in some form since 1984. In 2008 it cost approx $772mil. By 2011 that had more then doubled to over $1.6billion.
PAID FOR BY TELECOM COMPANIES, or can't you read? Go knock on their doors and tell them about it; trying to tie it somehow to politics is just plain silly.

The thing that struck me most about this thread is the immediacy with which our Main Rightie swallowed the urban legend, got COMPLETELY enraged over it, equated it to the end of America, ("We absolutely can't allow this country to slide into the abyss"), then just disappeared right off the bat when it was proven to be false. Most excellent illustration of how things work in his mind. So damned sad...


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Friday, September 28, 2012 10:20 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
First giggle of the day, but I don't know who to give it to. Raptor completely disappeared after he found out what a fool he'd been, then pops back with something completely off topic. I guess that's one way to deal with making a fool of oneself



Ive always wondered how that works in his brain. Just he actively decide to ignore what he doesn't like, or is there just...like... and elecrical fizzle sound, followed by some smoke, as the thought violently burns out of his brain?


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, September 28, 2012 10:44 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


As to the video, I wouldn't call it WYSYWIG, I'd call it GIGO. Truly a pathetic attempt. Probably the first thing that came up on Google, but surely just a bit more effort put into the search would have yielded something SLIGHTLY more worthwhile.

However, just as with the initial posting in this thread, my answer is: Hey, guess what? WE'VE got ignorant people, too!

"Obama Bucks"? He must be talking about these:



On that subject, however, hell, it only takes a couple of minutes:
Quote:

Obama Bucks, Obama Food Stamps, Obama Waffles -- the Dark Images of Racism

Another racist item has entered the public eye. This time it is Obama Bucks. Or Obama Food Stamps. Regardless, it is pure racist.



The Los Angeles Times reported that Obama bucks are faux food stamps with the image of Senator Barack Obama's face on the body of a donkey in the center of the fake tender. He is surrounded with stereotypical African-American food: a watermelon, fried chicken, ribs, and the Kool-Aid logo. The caption beneath the $10 United States Food Stamps image reads: "Obama talks about all those presidents that got their names on bills. If elected, what bill would he be on ????? Food Stamps, what else!"

A Republican San Bernardino Women's Club sent out a newsletter with the Obama Bucks image in it. Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated in Upland, California, sent the newsletter out to around 200 members.

Club President Diane Fedele said, "I apologize to anyone who was offended because that was not my intent. It was poor judgment on my part. It was strictly an attempt to point out the outrageousness of Obama's statement that he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

She then explained that she was not a racist, that: "If I was racist, I would have looked at it through racist eyes," she said. "I am not racist, which is why it probably didn't register."

The Times reports that another member, Kristina Sandoval, said, "None of us are racists."

But Ron Nehring of the California Republican Party does not see it that way. In an issued statement Thursday, he said: "Any material that invokes issues related to race is absolutely unacceptable, tarnishes our party, diminishes the hard work of the tens of thousands of volunteers who are working hard every day for our candidates, and must be condemned. I've seen inspires nothing but divisiveness and hostility and has absolutely no place in this election, or any public discourse."

Nehring's statement, according to the Times, also referred to an image on the Sacramento County GOP website that depicted Obama in a turban beside Osama bin Laden with the caption: "The difference between Osama and Obama is just a little B.S."



The site prompted its members to "waterboard Barack Obama."



Republican officials aside, even members of the Women's Club were appalled. Acquanetta Warren said, "My daughter who is 16 was standing over my shoulder when I opened the e-mail, and her mouth dropped wide open. I actually turned the screen away and sent her to her room so she wouldn't see. I don't want to talk to anyone; I want a written apology so the public knows that this is not right and this is not representative of the way Republicans think."

Carol Robb, head of the San Bernardino County Democratic Party, commented on the incident: "I think it's sad and unbelievable that they can't see how offensive this is. People are losing their homes, we are in financial chaos and the best they can do is a caricature of Obama on a donkey's body and food stamps. How out of touch with the 21st century can you get?"

The ugly head of racism keeps rearing its more than monstrous head in this presidential campaign. It comes indirectly from the insinuations coming from those who stress Senator Obama's middle name "Hussein" (unfortunately connotes Arabs) to the more direct statements from voters saying that a black man does not deserve to be in the White House.

It's a stance of ignorance that is as asinine as saying that Senator John McCain is too white or too old.

Yet it persists and prevails. It is not simply the territory of the small-minded but also the stronghold of fear. And it is being used by the ill-educated and the purveyors of ignorant hate to further political agendas. The women of the Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated can cry unintended racial collateral damage, but the intent is clear and, remonstrations aside, in the heightened atmosphere of racial tension that surrounds the upcoming presidential election, rings of bold falsehood.

But these images keep appearing. The Dallas News reported back in June, at the Repblican Party of Texas donated the $1500 it made off of a vendor's booth to charity after Jonathan Alcox, who rented the booth, sold a pin with the caption: "If Obama is president...Will we still call it the White House?"



At the Values Voter Summit in September, Mark Whitlock and Bob DeMoss sold boxes of "Obama Waffles" mix for $10 a box. On the cover, was a pop-eyed, thick-lipped caricature of Obama staring at waffles. On the top flap was an image of Obama in a turban.





The Values Voter Summit is sponsored and overseen by the Family Research Council, the religious conservative organization headed by James Dobson.

A $3 bill was being sold at a booth operated by the Snohomish County Republican Party at the Evergreen State Fair in Washington state in August. Republican officials pulled the fake money from the booth when people's outrage became apparent, stating that the money was brought in by a volunteer. The $3 bill shows Barack Obama in a turban, with a camel emblem to the left. {see top}

A bar in Marietta, Georgia was selling t-shirts over the summer with a cartoon picture of a monkey eating a banana under which read "Obama in '08."



And there are many more items, instances, and incidences of the "isolated" and "unintentional" racism that lurks just beneath the surface of politics in this country, just waiting for an opportunity to make its presence felt. A quick google search will far too many examples of these things. And it points to a far larger problem than Americans are willing to openly admit. http://voices.yahoo.com/obama-bucks-obama-food-stamps-obama-waffles-da
rk-2068528.html


But hey, they're not racist, not at all. You betcha.


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Friday, September 28, 2012 10:51 AM

STORYMARK


Come on... they're just "jokes"....


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, September 28, 2012 10:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Saying it's a joke is what's a joke. There are a million ways to ridicule a candidate, and we've all seen them. Somehow, tho', for Republicans, it can only be about monkeys, Arabs, and other racist images. Boy, does that say a lot! Aside from being disgusting, nauseating, sick, abominable, repulsive, loathsome, offensive, outrageous, revolting, sickening, and...

...come to think of it, Raptor may be right: We HAVE to re-elect Obama; "We absolutely can't allow this country to slide into the abyss!" (of racism)


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Friday, September 28, 2012 11:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Where IS the Rap, anyway? His "Obama Phones" was debunked; his "Obama Bucks", "Obama Food Stamps" were debunked...where'd he go?


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Friday, September 28, 2012 11:56 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Looks like another $16-billion/yr govt welfare bailout for multinational cellphone companies with tax-exempt offshore bank accounts.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/28/viral-video-touting-obama-p
hone-puts-spotlight-on-16-billion-federal-program
/

http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/faq/obama-phone

http://www.fcc.gov/lifeline

And it allows law enforcement and NSA to track your every move and listen to every conversation.

Actually its the Bushphone, or ClintonRockefellerphone.
http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/faq/obama-phone

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Friday, September 28, 2012 12:17 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"Foxnews.com" and "freegovernmentcellphones.net" (twice)? Back to your cave (cage?) PN, if you please.


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Friday, September 28, 2012 2:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA



The hi-larious part of all that....
I had a box of them Obama waffles, which I did make and have for breakfast when he was elected - laughing my ass off the whole time, not sure if I made as much of it here as I did elsewhere, but it was DAMN funny to me.

They weren't half bad, neither.


Not that I am all that happy with Obama, but given the alternatives....

-F

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Friday, September 28, 2012 2:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Program for free cell phones goes back to 1984, huh?

Did you SEE what cell phones were like back then? And how expensive they were ???




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, September 28, 2012 2:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Damn, you're dumb, Rappy.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, September 28, 2012 3:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I know you are, but what am I ?

This only gets better the more you look into it.

It really does!

http://www.usac.org/about/about/universal-service/faqs.aspx

Who pays for universal service?

As required by the 1996 Telecom Act, telecommunications carriers providing international and interstate service and earning above certain revenue thresholds make universal service contributions.

Consumers may notice a "universal service" line item on their telephone bills. This line represents a charge by a telephone company to recover its FCC-mandated universal service contributions.

Lifeline costs have EXPLODED the last few years
(772 million in 2008 to 1.75 billion in 2011.)

The FCC decided to expand the 1996
Telecom Act of Clinton to include cell phones in 2008.


Wireless companies pay for it, ya say ? Umm, not quite.

A - it's MANDATED by law that they provide these phones.

B - WE ALL pay for this stuff, as directed by the Fed govt, so it is nothing but a tax on those of us who buy phones and service, as it's forced on us by the Federal govt.

God, you folks are idiots.



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

The FCC decided to expand the 1996
Telecom Act of Clinton to include cell phones in 2008.


I'm sure Bush is at fault personally for the expansion, just as Obama is at fault for everything and anything that happens under his administration. So your "messiah" is to blame for the expansion; go holler at HIM.

Good of you to admit that neither "Obama Bucks" OR "Obama Phones" exist, however...or do you want to start calling them "Bush Phones"?


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Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:40 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Program for free cell phones goes back to 1984, huh?

Did you SEE what cell phones were like back then? And how expensive they were ???








"The FCC decided to expand the 1996
Telecom Act of Clinton to include cell phones in 2008."



Boy, you are dumber than a box of hair.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:44 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Wireless companies pay for it, ya say ? Umm, not quite.

A - it's MANDATED by law that they provide these phones.

B - WE ALL pay for this stuff, as directed by the Fed govt, so it is nothing but a tax on those of us who buy phones and service, as it's forced on us by the Federal govt.




Are you mandated to buy a phone or phone service? Is the government forcing you to do that?

That's as idiotic as claiming that "the govt" is MANDATING you to buy auto insurance. Nobody is requiring you to own a car, or a phone.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, September 29, 2012 7:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Good point, Mike. If Rap doesn't like it, he can just toss his phone. Easy as that. There's a protest for 'ya. ;o) Otherwise, of course, the country will "slide into the abyss"!


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