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It's possible to justify any procedure of pain.

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Guess what... the gorram 'torture' is what helped Barry get his man. How's that sit with y'all , hmm?

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But we don't ENGAGE in "any procedure of pain". THAT is my POINT!

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All your words are laid out, there for all to see.

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I don't know how you think you can argue with them through the conduit of me.

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It would be better for you to apologize for the things you've said that you regret, rather than denying them.

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You have yet to explain how I got it wrong. You've only railed.

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water boarding water boarding water boarding water boarding! I hear that 10,000 x's on here, and yet no one ever stops to think of the CONTEXT in which is being used, on who, and WHY.

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they KNOW we can not , will not ,exceed our own rules.

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All your words are laid out, there for all to see.

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Yeah, I know, genius. I WROTE them , in the first place.

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I don't know how you think you can argue with them through the conduit of me.

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Good point. With you cherry picking the words which are of use to you, and ignoring the ones you don't like. Easier to alter what a person says when they're misquoted. Which is exactly what you've done. On purpose.

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It would be better for you to apologize for the things you've said that you regret, rather than denying them.

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Or.. you could go fuck yourself.

Seriously, the nerve of you, to pull that shit, an and then ask someone to apologize for the things THEY said.

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You have yet to explain how I got it wrong. You've only railed.

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You're many things. But THAT stupid, as best I can see, isn't one of them.

Of course, I could be wrong. And that... would explain much.



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I WROTE them , in the first place.

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Show me where we ACTUALLY tortured anyone, I'll be on your side.

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You don't use the same definition for torture that we use. Mine includes waterboarding.

If I say we torture because we waterboard, you'll say waterboarding isn't torture. It's a pointless argument for both of us, because neither of us can agree on the basic premise of the argument.

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The way we waterboarded, isn't torture. Torture is when you do something to somebody, no matter what they say or do, anyways. To avoid waterboarding, or sleep deprivation, or having to listen to an endless loop of Cindi Lauper, Barney - The Purple Dinosaur, or what ever, these guys at Gitmo could have given up the information. Hell, most of them live better at Club Gitmo than they would over in Afghanistan. Only they don't get to shag any little boys, or cut off parts of women, who dare to do something as evil as LEARN , in a school.

Damn,we so oppressive !



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The law defines a war crime to include a "grave breach of the Geneva Conventions", specifically noting that "grave breach" should have the meaning defined in any convention (related to the laws of war) to which the U.S. is a party. The definition of "grave breach" in some of the Geneva Conventions have text that extend additional protections, but all the Conventions share the following text in common: "... committed against persons or property protected by the Convention: willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health."

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Ten years later, the United States Supreme Court ruled in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld[2] that Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions applied to the War on Terrorism, with the unstated implication that any interrogation techniques that violated Common Article 3 constituted War Crimes.[3] The possibility that American officials and soldiers could be prosecuted for war crimes for committing the "outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment"[4] prohibited by the Conventions led to a series of proposals to make such actions legal in certain circumstances, which resulted in the Military Commissions Act of 2006.

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The adoption of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, defined in Section 6 of the act grave abuses of Common Article 3 to only include torture, cruel or inhumane treatment, murder, mutilation or maiming, intentionally causing serious bodily harm, rape, sexual assault or abuse, and the taking of hostages, thereby limiting the scope of the original law.

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Persons taking no active part in hostilities, including military persons who have ceased to be active as a result of sickness, injury, or detention, should be treated humanely and that the following acts are prohibited:
violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
taking of hostages;
outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment; and
the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

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In April 2003, U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel Allen West (currently a Congressman serving Florida's 22nd congressional district) had an Iraqi police officer named Yehiya Kadoori Hamoodi seized and brought in for questioning based on allegations he was planning an imminent attack on Mr. West's unit. After Mr. Hamoodi was allegedly beaten by an interpreter and several U.S. troops, Mr. West took Mr. Hamoodi out of the interrogation room and showed him six U.S. troops with weapons in hand. Mr. West told Mr. Hamoodi, "If you don't talk, they will kill you." Mr. West then placed Mr. Hamoodi's head in a bucket used for cleaning weapons, placed his gun into the bucket and discharged the weapon near Mr. Hamoodi's head. Mr. Hamoodi then provided Mr. West with names, location and methods of the alleged ambush. However, the alleged ambush—supposedly scheduled for the following day—never occurred, and a search of Mr. Hamoodi's residence uncovered no evidence of any plans of attack. Mr. Hamoodi was subsequently released without charges. For his involvement in this incident, Mr. West was charged with violations of two statutes of the Uniform Code of Military Justice; however, charges were subsequently dropped after Mr. West was fined $5,000 for the incident and allowed to resign his position with the U.S. Army without court martial.

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I see that you've backed up your claims of me misquoting you and lying about you by cursing at me.

That is an ineffective way to prove your claims.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

No, I backed up my claim of you misquoting me by showing where you misquoted me,

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
K Tony. You're a nut case. I get it.

Truth, lies, they really don't register for you, for what ever reason.

Bearing false witness, just not a concept you comprehend. Fair enough.

Hope the meds do ya well, and your supply never runs out.


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Guess what... the gorram 'torture' is what helped Barry get his man. How's that sit with y'all , hmm?

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I see that you've backed up your claims of me misquoting you and lying about you by cursing at me.

That is an ineffective way to prove your claims.

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No, I backed up my claim of you misquoting me by showing where you misquoted me, as well as explained - SPECIFICALLY - why your false, made up version of what I NEVER said is so blatantly dishonest... to which I then cursed at you. Justifyably so.

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I'll apologize, if you admit you were wrong, AND remove that defamatory 'note to self' crap about me, in your sig.

Deal ?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
K Tony. You're a nut case. I get it.

Truth, lies, they really don't register for you, for what ever reason.

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